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Handling Loaded Rear Tires

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Twincreek

12-26-2007 06:13:27

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Hello All: I need to remove the rear tires from my 8N to work on the brakes. The tires are filled with liquid and therefore very heavy. I usually work by myself. What is the easiest and SAFEST way to remove and reinstall these tires? Are there any tricks?

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Twincreek

12-27-2007 05:34:47

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Re: Handling Loaded Rear Tires - THANK YOU in reply to Twincreek, 12-26-2007 06:13:27

Thank you all for all the advice. I got the tires off safely last nite using my overhead hoist. I have two more questions. One is I am having trouble getting the axle retainer off in order to change an axle and bearing. One bolt broke. I ground it off smooth but the retainer does not want to come off easy. Is there a trick or should I just keep pounding screw drivers in until it pops out? Also, it turns out one tire is loaded and one is not. Should I load the empty one or drain the loaded one? The tractor will be mainly used for mowing, with some hills involved. Thanks again for all your help!

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RodInNS

12-27-2007 05:54:05

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Re: Handling Loaded Rear Tires - THANK YOU in reply to Twincreek, 12-27-2007 05:34:47

Load the empty one. I'd expect it to be close to useless without some ballast...

Rod

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Larry59

12-26-2007 17:03:22

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Re: Handling Loaded Rear Tires in reply to Twincreek, 12-26-2007 06:13:27

Lots of good tips here... Thanks. So if all else fails .. call a service company that deals with tractor tires. hummm got it.. OK

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1000yds

12-26-2007 15:55:16

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Re: Handling Loaded Rear Tires in reply to Twincreek, 12-26-2007 06:13:27

I my opinion, I would drain the damn fluid out and get some wheel weights. If it's calcium chloride, it makes great ice melter for your driveway. There are three things fluid will do for you. (1) Increase traction. (2) Ruin your rims.
(3) Ruin your back.

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RodInNS

12-26-2007 10:10:29

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Re: Handling Loaded Rear Tires in reply to Twincreek, 12-26-2007 06:13:27

My personal favorite is the bale grab on my skid steer... I just glom onto it and drive away. Works equally well for removal as it does for installation.
If I don't have that I jack the tractor just high enough to get the wheel away, lean it slightly towards me and walk it off the studs and away from the tractor. Don't lean it over or you better be quick!
I've handled 18.4x34's like that filled with two drums of CaCl. Keep the 'help' out of the way unless they actually know what they're doing or they'll just be under your feet when the knock the wheel on top of you.... and then you're both under the damn thing.

Rod

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SmittyNE

12-26-2007 09:05:52

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Re: Handling Loaded Rear Tires in reply to Twincreek, 12-26-2007 06:13:27

We did it one time and when we went to lean it up against the 8N it bumped the tractor off the jack....Now we had a bigger problem. be careful...

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James22

12-26-2007 08:51:33

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Re: Handling Loaded Rear Tires in reply to Twincreek, 12-26-2007 06:13:27

I'm with the majority, loaded 8N tires are not that difficult to move by yourself. As others have said, just don't lean them over very much. We moved ours twice a year, and always by a single person. Two moving the tire usually end up fighting each other. Loaded 18.4/38 are a different matter, they are tough to move around by anyone without some help.

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steve from mo - dangit!

12-26-2007 08:53:37

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Be safe. in reply to James22, 12-26-2007 08:51:33

Overhead crane, engine hoist, or cherry picker makes things a whole lot easier.

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Redmud

12-26-2007 08:43:15

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Re: Handling Loaded Rear Tires in reply to Twincreek, 12-26-2007 06:13:27

Call your local repo man. I bought an old style slide in wrecker unit complete with an electric winch and all the attachments for $700.00 ten or twelve years ago. It"s the best money I ever spent. And heres the best part, I have several "money back" standing offers for the unit the day I decide I don"t need it any more.

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georgeky

12-26-2007 08:14:29

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Re: Handling Loaded Rear Tires in reply to Twincreek, 12-26-2007 06:13:27

The worst possible thing is to have someone try to help you move them. Then there are two maybe pulling, pushing or rolling in opposite directions. Sure fire way to loose them. 8N tires even loaded are not that heavy. I was rolling them around when I was 13 or 14 years old. I have changed and or taken off many larger than those with no problems for almost 35 years. Won't let anyone help me with those or mounting cultivators. I can't watch everyone all the time. Just keep them upright and don't let them lean much at all. Not a big deal.

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Glenn F.

12-26-2007 08:26:15

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Re: Handling Loaded Rear Tires in reply to georgeky, 12-26-2007 08:14:29

The technique is very similar to that used by the 135# rider of a full dress Harley....If you know what you're doing it can be done safely.

Glenn

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Mike M

12-26-2007 08:00:02

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Re: Handling Loaded Rear Tires in reply to Twincreek, 12-26-2007 06:13:27

On ones that small a couple of guys should be able to roll them. Do not do alone ! Or have a neighbor come over with another tractor and use a front end loader or 3pt. carrier or boom or if you have a shop hoist or crane. Biggest thing is to not even try it alone !

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old

12-26-2007 08:15:53

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Re: Handling Loaded Rear Tires in reply to Mike M, 12-26-2007 08:00:02

I do that all the time by my self. Jack it up just enough to take it off. Then lay it back just a little bit to clear the lug bolts but be careful not to lay it to far as to let it fall over. Roll it forward till you can lean it on the tractor. Do the brake work and then do what you did to pull it off just backwards of what you did. I do that all the time and so far never had one fall down on/for me. I know if I can do it you sure can. But if my doctor knew I did something like that I would get yelled at because of being disabled. It just takes smarts to do thing when things are heavy like that. Oh by the way if you ask well if your disabled how do you do what you do I'll tell you this I'm disabled but I'm not dead.

Hobby farm

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buickanddeere

12-26-2007 07:47:02

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Re: Handling Loaded Rear Tires in reply to Twincreek, 12-26-2007 06:13:27

AS previously stated, get a tote or some barrels and reduce the tire weight. Then get a HD cherry picker. You don't want somebody coming along days later and find your remains under the tire. To eliminate a problem the most effective method is to get rid of the risk. Next most effect method is to reduce the amount of risk.

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Twincreek

12-26-2007 07:33:07

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Re: Handling Loaded Rear Tires in reply to Twincreek, 12-26-2007 06:13:27

While we are on the subject of loaded tires, my 8N has one filled tire and one that isn't. Should I drain the one thats filled or fill the one that's not. I plan on using the tractor for mowing only. I do have some hills to deal with. What's the best way to drain them?

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Glenn F.

12-26-2007 07:52:28

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Re: Handling Loaded Rear Tires in reply to Twincreek, 12-26-2007 07:33:07

I have operated an 8N quite a little in the past. They're useless without full ballast.

Glenn F.

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Sweet P

12-26-2007 07:31:38

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Re: Handling Loaded Rear Tires in reply to Twincreek, 12-26-2007 06:13:27

Another reason too use CASTIRON

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MN Scott

12-26-2007 07:08:15

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Re: Handling Loaded Rear Tires in reply to Twincreek, 12-26-2007 06:13:27

What ever way you do it just be very carefull! A neighbor this fall was removing a loaded 18.4-38 tire wheel assembly by himself and it fell on him and pinned him. It shattered a femure and broke his pelvis. This was just before harvest so he had to depend on others to harvest his crops. Thing is he has a good loader tractor but was not using it, in to much of a hurry I guess.

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MF Poor

12-26-2007 07:03:24

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Re: Handling Loaded Rear Tires in reply to Twincreek, 12-26-2007 06:13:27

Engine hoist (cherry picker) works.

Keep 'em balanced and roll them around. Just be careful.

Less than $100 you can put together a good pump, bleed valve, hoses, and a couple plastic barrels to pump fluid in and out. That is the SAFEST way. And with that, you have a way to deal with fluid in the future if you ever get a punctured tire.

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Gerald J.

12-26-2007 06:57:09

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Re: Handling Loaded Rear Tires in reply to Twincreek, 12-26-2007 06:13:27

I've moved 14.9-28 loaded for my MF-135, once. I won't do that again. I kept them upright and rolled them and leaned them against a barn wall post. At 500 or 600 pounds each, there is no way to get out from one that falls on you and the damage to could be so severe that getting out wouldn't matter.

When one of those split, I put on new tires without loading and the tractor pulled better just because of the sharp corners on the lugs.

When I wanted to change the 18.4-34 tires and rims (to 12.4-42) on my 4020, I bought a cherry picker with wheels under it and it made the task easy. These aren't loaded, but weigh over 400 pounds for the tire and rim.

Gerald J.

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Brokenwrench

12-26-2007 06:53:20

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Re: Handling Loaded Rear Tires in reply to Twincreek, 12-26-2007 06:13:27

If you can, leave a couple lug bolts on loose til you break the wheel from the hub. Even loaded wheels that size should be negotiable if you`re careful. Have a clear, relatively short path to where you want to prop them up at.

The best is if they start to go over, get the heck out of the way and let em go. You can always figure out a way to deal with em when their layin flat on the ground. Good luck BW

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RustyFarmall

12-26-2007 06:47:30

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Re: Handling Loaded Rear Tires in reply to Twincreek, 12-26-2007 06:13:27

The only way is with either a front loader like in Allan's picture, or with a cherry picker. It is possible to just hand wrestle those things, but unless you are built like the Hulk, it is not recommended.

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Twincreek

12-26-2007 06:49:14

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Re: Handling Loaded Rear Tires in reply to RustyFarmall, 12-26-2007 06:47:30

I don't have a cherry picker but I have an overhead beam hoist. Do you think that would work?

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RustyFarmall

12-26-2007 11:35:19

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Re: Handling Loaded Rear Tires in reply to Twincreek, 12-26-2007 06:49:14

Yes, the overhead hoist will work great.

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coloken

12-26-2007 06:46:36

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Re: Handling Loaded Rear Tires in reply to Twincreek, 12-26-2007 06:13:27

I have handled them by myself. Be very care full to not let it fall over and roll it a few feet to lean against some thing. Not safest, but can be done

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georgeky

12-26-2007 06:44:20

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Re: Handling Loaded Rear Tires in reply to Twincreek, 12-26-2007 06:13:27

I handle mine by myself. Just have to keep them upright. I roll them around all over. The big ones are another matter, but those smaller ones can be rolled around with care. If it starts to get away from you just get out of the way and let it go. Stay out from under it.

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Allan In NE

12-26-2007 06:28:02

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Re: Handling Loaded Rear Tires in reply to Twincreek, 12-26-2007 06:13:27

I work alone too. :>(

Allan

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Larry59

12-26-2007 06:35:44

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Re: Handling Loaded Rear Tires in reply to Allan In NE, 12-26-2007 06:28:02

I have only one tractor so can not use front loader to help get my rear tires off.

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Allan In NE

12-26-2007 06:41:53

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Re: Handling Loaded Rear Tires in reply to Larry59, 12-26-2007 06:35:44

Do you have a cherry picker?

If not, you can probably just "wrestle" and roll 'em around.

But darnit, be careful. They are HEAVY and can get away from a guy pretty darned easy!

Allan

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georgeky

12-26-2007 06:46:06

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Re: Handling Loaded Rear Tires in reply to Allan In NE, 12-26-2007 06:41:53

Allan, that old H must have a good pump on it.
two of those loaded should be a nice load.

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Don-Wi

12-27-2007 01:32:09

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Re: Handling Loaded Rear Tires in reply to georgeky, 12-26-2007 06:46:06

Those being clamp on duals, I highly doubt they're loaded...

Donovan from Wisconsin

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Keith-OR

12-26-2007 15:50:42

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Re: Handling Loaded Rear Tires in reply to georgeky, 12-26-2007 06:46:06

George, from the pic. Allan has posted before of the hookup on the ol'H, he is running a PTO pump.

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Glenn F.

12-26-2007 07:41:27

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Re: Handling Loaded Rear Tires in reply to georgeky, 12-26-2007 06:46:06

I doubt they're loaded.

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Larry59

12-26-2007 06:25:49

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Re: Handling Loaded Rear Tires in reply to Twincreek, 12-26-2007 06:13:27

Interesting ! I need to know that myself .. being new to tractors myself.

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steveormary

12-26-2007 09:17:21

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Re: Handling Loaded Rear Tires in reply to Larry59, 12-26-2007 06:25:49

You might at least have a friend standing by in case you do need help.

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