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Spook

12-23-2007 18:35:02

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Has anybody run across a consumer reports, maybe a state sponsered evaluation on corn stoves and pellet stoves? ( and wood stoves ) And a comparison to propane, Ng, and oil? Seems like a lot of variation in the results. My thinking is unless you own your own woodlot, and work for free, it is a losing propisition?

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Gun guru

12-24-2007 04:36:19

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Re: looking at fuel costs alltogether. in reply to Spook, 12-23-2007 18:35:02

I have burned Propane/firewood/corn-pellets. I know that I will use about 1500 gallons of propane per winter--that is a fact. (if I dont burn wood or pellets or corn) In Michigan. The key is to keep the main Propane furnace off while the other heat source is running IE-pellet stove or cordwood stove. Last year which was my first year of running my pellet stove. I spent $500 on pellets and corn. I used 750 gallons of propane. 750 gallons X $1.70 gallon = $1275 I Would have used 1500 gallons but saved 750 gallons (approx.) of propane so I saved $1275-$500(pellet/corn cost) I saved a total of about $775. (which aint too bad) Also I have learned that once the house is up to 70-72 degrees F then you can turn the feed rate down on the pellet burner so that it only burns a few pounds per hour which saves even more money.

Plus it is a good feeling to know that I am supporting pellet mfgs and farmers for the corn. And not enriching the big oil a$$holes anymore than I have too. I would have to be home all the time to use the cordwood stove effectively, but I am at work 9 hours or so per day, plus I would have to get up 4 times per night to load the cordwood stove, (thats not going to happen) That is what makes a pellet stove good is it is self feeding.

I hope this clairfies it from somebody that has used a wood stove and pellet stove.

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Spook

12-24-2007 05:25:13

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Re: looking at fuel costs alltogether. in reply to Gun guru, 12-24-2007 04:36:19

We are gone from the house more than you are, probably 11 hrs per day. We have a programmable thermostat that is set at 70 & 64. It turns up to 70 @5 am, drops back to 64 @ 8 am then turns up to 70 at 5 pm, and back to 64 at 10. Usually it never gets down to 64, especially during the day. With the house being closed up and nobody home, the place is like a thermos bottle. Maybe that's why my propane usuage is less than yours.

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Gun guru

12-24-2007 05:30:17

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Re: looking at fuel costs alltogether. in reply to Spook, 12-24-2007 05:25:13

I have the wifey turn the heat down to 65F when she leaves at 7am I leave at 4:45am I get home at 4pm, with my son.

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Gun guru

12-24-2007 04:04:23

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Re: Real world cost analysis of corn and/or pellet stoves... in reply to Spook, 12-23-2007 18:35:02

Burning firewood is the cheapest heat source if you can get wood for free or near free. And you are home all the time to load the stove. Cutting up firewood is good exercise which most of us could use anyway. its a win/win.

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Walt Davies

12-24-2007 09:16:35

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Re: Real world cost analysis of corn and/or pellet stoves... in reply to Gun guru, 12-24-2007 04:04:23

My older brother had a heart attack cutting free wood for his stove. Didn't save much that winter.
If I had to buy my wood here it would cost me twice as much as the pellets plus all the other things like getting rid of the ashes and cleaning the chimney and hauling it in and the dirt Yes the awful dirt that seems to come in with it. I never going back to wood after getting a pellet stove. And mine works on a programmable thermostat. It just came on on and went off while writing this e-mail.
Walt

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bill mar

12-24-2007 15:30:34

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Re: Real world cost analysis of corn and/or pellet stoves... in reply to Walt Davies, 12-24-2007 09:16:35

what does the firewood cost a face cord vs what the pellets cost a ton?

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Wardner

12-23-2007 23:15:18

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Re: Real world cost analysis of corn and/or pellet stoves... in reply to Spook, 12-23-2007 18:35:02

There is an excellent heating fuel comparison calculator at:

Link

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JK-NY

12-25-2007 06:47:25

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Re: Real world cost analysis of corn and/or pellet stoves... in reply to Wardner, 12-23-2007 23:15:18

I have a friend who put in a self- feeding coal stove this year, based on the price of coal vs. pellets (nearly equal) and the fact that coal has almost double the btu.'s of pellets. Coal around here comes out of Pennsylvania. I heat mostly with wood in a forced air wood/oil furnace and have my own woods , but when its time for another furnace I would like one with wood and coal capability.

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Bob

12-23-2007 22:56:19

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Re: Real world cost analysis of corn and/or pellet stoves... in reply to Spook, 12-23-2007 18:35:02

#2 fuel oil has about 140,000 BTU/gallon.

Propane has about 92,00 BTU/gallon.

Dry corn has about 6,800 BTU/lb.

Typical wood pellets have about 8,200 BTU/lb.

Soft coal has about 6000-9000 BTU/lb.

Hard coal has about 11,000-15,000 BTU/lb.

A typical oil, corn, pellet, or coal furnace saves about 60% to 80% of the fuel's heat energy to heat your building.

A GOOD propane furnace (recuperative) will save 92% to 96% of the propane's heat energy to heat your building.

Now, all we need is a spreadsheet to plug those numbers into!

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Wardner

12-23-2007 23:20:53

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Re: Real world cost analysis of corn and/or pellet stoves... in reply to Bob, 12-23-2007 22:56:19

Bob,

Ask and you shall receive. Knock yourself out on the spreadsheet linked above.

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paul

12-23-2007 21:57:52

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Re: Real world cost analysis of corn and/or pellet stoves... in reply to Spook, 12-23-2007 18:35:02

Wood stove is cheapest if you make your own wood, but it does take time & a chainsaw or so that isn't all 'free' either. But like me, I have 2 acres of grove & need the chainsaw to cut up dead trees in the way as it is, so what does it cost me, $20 of gas & oil plus time? Stoves & some boilers can operate without power, so can heat during electric failure.

Wood pellets scare me, you install something that could last 20 years; but what if they quit making pellets? Hum. Seems like a small market item really, what if no one stocks them around you, etc.

Corn, like me again I have a few 1000 bu sitting around the place, sure is cheap heat compared to anything liquid or heater element powered! Plan on always growing the stuff, so won't run out of fuel, and easier to handle than wood. Price of corn might have doubled for the moment, but so has other fuels, so still cheaper.

Depends on what it is you have I guess.

--->Paul

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IH2444

12-24-2007 07:49:47

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Re: Real world cost analysis of corn and/or pellet stoves... in reply to paul, 12-23-2007 21:57:52

Yeah a $250 chain saw, a $1,200 splitter, etc...
Not free by any means...

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dangerdoc

12-24-2007 09:23:43

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Re: Real world cost analysis of corn and/or pellet stoves... in reply to IH2444, 12-24-2007 07:49:47

I have to have a chainsaw anyway.

My wood splitter cost $20.

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gary tomaszewski

12-24-2007 08:26:42

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Re: Real world cost analysis of corn and/or pellet stoves... in reply to IH2444, 12-24-2007 07:49:47

Farm sale: Buck saw=$3, 10#maul=$2, Wedges + interesting stuff (never can have to much stuff)=$1. Sweaty workout=PRICELESS.

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Bob

12-23-2007 22:46:48

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Re: Real world cost analysis of corn and/or pellet stoves... in reply to paul, 12-23-2007 21:57:52

On the other hand, at today's prices, what are the 1000's of bushels of corn you have "sitting around" worth on the market???

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kyplowboy

12-23-2007 19:26:53

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Re: Real world cost analysis of corn and/or pellet stoves... in reply to Spook, 12-23-2007 18:35:02

Here is all I know. I made my mind up that I was going to get an outdoor wood burner. I did some calling and with the size of my house it was going to cost 8,000 to set it in the drive way and me do all the plumbing. That is the only reason I did not get one. Here wood only cost your time. Every one will give you wood if you want to cut it. See an oak tree blown over in some ones field, knock on the door and they will let you clean up the mess. Go in behind loggers and cut up tops, thats easy cutting there and most of it don't need split'n. Buddy of mine has a wood burner he uses about half the time. The two of us can get his for the winter easy in a good saturday. Figure 3 hours a piled up truck bed full. Here a big load will get people by for about a month. Figure that against what you normaly spend on heat. If you only spend $100/month heat that is still $30/hour, I do alot of things that don't pay me that well. Besides cutting wood keeps you in shape in the witner time, only thing I know that heats you up twice. Once when you cut then when you burn it.

Dave

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Larry59

12-23-2007 18:52:26

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Re: Real world cost analysis of corn and/or pellet stoves... in reply to Spook, 12-23-2007 18:35:02

Your right on the own your own wood lot and do your own labor. Well do it by your self is a bit hard with wood. I have two other friends who like me have their own wood lot. So we team up in the summer and fall. Go from one place to the other and cut and split for several hours a day at each one. Mostly when it is cool mornings in summer. This works out great for us and cuts my cost way down.....Now I do not burn the wood everyday in winter. I have electric furnace. So I do about half time of burning and then furnace. My electric bill each month runs about 100.00 is all for house and all. I do save some wood back no mater what. For emerengy times. Such was the case week and half ago. No electricty in area cause of ice storm for a whole week. I have a generator so I just spliced the two lines on the motor on outer wood furnace and off we went to warmth. I have also a converter that changes batter 12 volt to 110. Small one but works on the out door wood stove also. By using a marine batter I keep for winter time charged and ready.

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buickanddeere

12-24-2007 06:58:09

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Re: Real world cost analysis of corn and/or pellet stoves... in reply to Larry59, 12-23-2007 18:52:26

ebay

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bill mar

12-24-2007 15:37:40

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Re: Real world cost analysis of corn and/or pellet stoves... in reply to buickanddeere, 12-24-2007 06:58:09

are those types of transfer switches allowed by all power companies?

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bill mar

12-24-2007 15:37:13

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Re: Real world cost analysis of corn and/or pellet stoves... in reply to buickanddeere, 12-24-2007 06:58:09

are those types of transfer swithes allowed by all power companies?

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bill mar

12-24-2007 15:38:43

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Re: Real world cost analysis of corn and/or pellet stoves... in reply to bill mar, 12-24-2007 15:37:13

sorry, spelled switches wrong

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bill mar

12-24-2007 15:38:43

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Re: Real world cost analysis of corn and/or pellet stoves... in reply to bill mar, 12-24-2007 15:37:13

sorry, spelled switches wrong

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buickanddeere

12-24-2007 18:14:22

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Re: Real world cost analysis of corn and/or pellet stoves... in reply to bill mar, 12-24-2007 15:38:43

Yup. Glad you care about spelling. My grammar and spelling is no prize but at least it's usually ran through the spell checker before posting.

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