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corn/pellet stove and the goverment

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northeast pulle

12-23-2007 14:01:05




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I have kicked the corn/pellet stove thing around and thought of getting rid of wood stove that I can not operate properly being away from the house for to many hours to keep good hot fire and a less creosote build up problem at bay. I can only bun on weekends when I am around all day. I have thought of out door wood boiler but the local yuppies are making a fuss about them now with the town fathers. The hookup getting thru the 2 foot thick lime stone basement wall may cause more trouble then it is worth or I need. From what I think that the corn stoves do not emit a lot of smoke in the air like wood does. I wonder why our government does not offer tax incentives for people to convert to corn stoves. It would help the local farmers it would lessen our need for off shore oil. It would also help make jobs making the stoves selling them and the installation of them .WE could tell the oil company’s to go scratch and be once again self sufficient. They are mandating better epa out of the auto industries. Some people use more heating oil then gas if they work close to home. What am I missing in this equation?

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bva

12-24-2007 05:03:47




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 Re: corn/pellet stove and the goverment in reply to northeast puller 1, 12-23-2007 14:01:05  
I think some very valid points have been brought up on this thread. The current food for fuel progran is already showin signs of problems. The cost of bread, milk, eggs, etc. is goin sky high and can all be traced back to corn. The prices for the corn producer are good. I recently rented a car that had a warning on the dash that said if I use ethenol that I would responsible for repairs. If the rental car industry is concerned then I should be also. Like someone else said. We ain't goin to be able to produce enough corn to get away from oil. We tried all kinds of miracle cures back in the 70's and accepted higher priced fuels and relaxed MPG to satisfy our want for larger/heavier less MPG vehicles so why will there be any difference in the end.

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buickanddeere

12-24-2007 07:15:33




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 hign grain prices pushing up food costs? NO in reply to bva, 12-24-2007 05:03:47  
The price of corn has hardly changed since the 1970's. Neither has the farm price for eggs, pork or beef. There is less than a dimes worth of corn in a $4.00 box of corn flakes. The increase in food prices since the 1970's has been virtually ALL between the farm gate and your grocery store counter.



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36 coupe

12-24-2007 15:00:02




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 Re: hign grain prices pushing up food costs? NO in reply to buickanddeere, 12-24-2007 07:15:33  
I put down 7.50 for a bag of layers pellets,the clerk said they are 9.35 now.The cost of feeding poultry is up about 40%.I noticed an 18% increase in lunch meat in a store that has had a stable price for 5 years.Egg prices are up, one store that sold them for a buck a dozen is up to 2.00 now.These are jumbos, hard to sell because of weak shells.Check the rising price of wheat.



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buickanddeere

12-24-2007 18:15:57




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 Re: hign grain prices pushing up food costs? NO in reply to 36 coupe, 12-24-2007 15:00:02  
The price of farm commodity prices has changed very little compared to the shelf prices in grocery stores.



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Sid

12-23-2007 20:44:02




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 Re: corn/pellet stove and the goverment in reply to northeast puller 1, 12-23-2007 14:01:05  
Opinions about corn stoves may vary but they have done very well without the government getting involved. If the government has to get involved in an idea to make it go it is usually a bad idea in the first place. If you think big oil is a problem, what makes you think big corn is going to be any better?



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RobMD

12-23-2007 21:34:51




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 Re: corn/pellet stove and the goverment in reply to Sid, 12-23-2007 20:44:02  
That's quite true, all that would be accomplished is swapping corporate powers around.



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Lee in Iowa

12-23-2007 19:48:23




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 Re: corn/pellet stove and the goverment in reply to northeast puller 1, 12-23-2007 14:01:05  
Most corn stoves I have heard about burn at minimum about a bushel a day. That"s the slowest they will burn. At present prices thats 127.50 a month, my electric is less than that. That doesn"t include the price of the stove and installation and the hassle of carrying corn in the house. According to the corn stove ads" btu ratings for different energy sources my electric heat should cost about $1000 per month. Lee

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Bill in IL

12-23-2007 20:13:52




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 Re: corn/pellet stove and the goverment in reply to Lee in Iowa, 12-23-2007 19:48:23  
What is your electric rate on your electric furnace? I know some areas have a heck of rate savings using it for heat so of course it will hurt your savings. Electric heat would be nice cause its basically 100% efficient vs who knows what in a wood or corn stove due to incomplete combustion or heat up the chimney. I still like burning wood and corn cause I can get it myself and I am self sufficient.

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Lee in Iowa

12-24-2007 06:25:40




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 Re: corn/pellet stove and the goverment in reply to Bill in IL, 12-23-2007 20:13:52  
We do get a reduced rate for the electric, but I don"t remember exactly what it is. We also have an air to air heat pump which helps down to 30 or 35 degrees and provides cheap ac. There were pretty good rebates for this from the power company for this when we built the house. There are some some solar systems out there that are not a lot higher than a corn stove if you do the work yourself, and the sun doesn"t charge $ yet. Lee

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wyod

12-23-2007 18:15:57




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 Re: corn/pellet stove and the goverment in reply to northeast puller 1, 12-23-2007 14:01:05  
We went to a corn/pellet stove a few years back... not one of the smarter things I've done. We bought a high dollar stove, and installed according to mfgr's recommendations, but it has been a real pain! The worst part is that if we want to leave town for more than a couple of days, we'll come back to an igloo! Someone mentioned that the price of pellets is fairly stable... I'd have to disagree. A couple years back, I spoke with someone about prices... guess the winter before we started buying pellets, price was about $90/ton. The year we started buying, the price had risen to about $175/ton... now about $190/ton. As much as I dislike the local gas supplier, I now realize we'd have been much better off buying a new gas furnace! Your situation may be different, but I'd think long and hard before buying a corn/pellet set-up. JMO... D

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Mike M

12-23-2007 17:41:08




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 Re: corn/pellet stove and the goverment in reply to northeast puller 1, 12-23-2007 14:01:05  
From what I saw of the earlier posts these guys are spending more on corn and pellets for heat than I do propane.



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Gun guru

12-24-2007 04:08:03




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 Re: corn/pellet stove and the goverment in reply to Mike M, 12-23-2007 17:41:08  
Well I would have to spend $2000 for propane and only about $800 on corn and pellets. Last year I saved about $600-700. That is the bottom line, money saved.



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Spook

12-23-2007 17:58:28




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 Re: corn/pellet stove and the goverment in reply to Mike M, 12-23-2007 17:41:08  
I have thought the same thing, several times. My propane won't be more than 6 or 700 this year, if that. And I am heating 2200 sq. feet in Mid Michigan? I think I will get a woodstove again someday, but it will be a lifestyle thing, not economic. I think insulation, good doors and windows, a high efficiency furnace and a programmable thermostat does a lot. I now have a 15kw generator hooked up to the propane, so that might increase my bill a bit. But my power went out this am, and I was still able to take a hot shower and play on the puter!!!! Yah propane!!!!

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Walt Davies

12-23-2007 17:15:32




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 Re: corn/pellet stove and the goverment in reply to northeast puller 1, 12-23-2007 14:01:05  
The best and most economical heat for a home that I know of is to move to Florida.

Walt



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john in la

12-24-2007 00:07:04




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 Re: corn/pellet stove and the goverment in reply to Walt Davies, 12-23-2007 17:15:32  
Yes but when you get that electric bill for cooling the house in the summer time you may have wished you stayed in the north.



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buickanddeere

12-23-2007 16:36:21




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 Re: corn/pellet stove and the goverment in reply to northeast puller 1, 12-23-2007 14:01:05  
>Link

>Link Through the wall,no conventional chimney and multi-fuel compatible. Grains, biomass pellets and we all know stoker coal will run just fine through this unit too.



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F150Mustang

12-23-2007 16:36:06




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 Re: corn/pellet stove and the goverment in reply to northeast puller 1, 12-23-2007 14:01:05  
Im on my second year with a corn stove and love it. I have a small house and it heats it nicely to 10 below with no wind. I can put 2 pails of corn in it a day and it runs for 24 hours. I usally shut it down for five minutes a day to drop the clinker and relight it. Company says you dont have to shut it down but i found its easier and relights better if you do.



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Ohio Case

12-23-2007 16:04:32




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 Re: corn/pellet stove and the goverment in reply to northeast puller 1, 12-23-2007 14:01:05  
If I remember correctly, there was a tax rebate program that made it thru the government process that would give you a tax break on alternative energy heating systems however..... ..... funding was never allocated for it. Again our gov't at work.



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Spook

12-23-2007 16:00:57




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 Re: corn/pellet stove and the goverment in reply to northeast puller 1, 12-23-2007 14:01:05  
Another question: Will cornstoves be popular if corn goes to $6? or $7?

$6 = 214 per ton

$7 = 250 per ton

I don't know if corn will get there or not. I think it will.



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Gun guru

12-23-2007 16:05:46




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 Re: corn/pellet stove and the goverment in reply to Spook, 12-23-2007 16:00:57  
Then wood pellets will become cheaper, wood pellet have a relatively stable price.



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northeast puller 1

12-23-2007 15:52:50




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 Re: corn/pellet stove and the goverment in reply to northeast puller 1, 12-23-2007 14:01:05  
Dangerdoc I have a high Tec stove with the catlic converter (Vermont castings) the true problem is the stove is in the basement and is below the clean out because of the lime stone basement walls witch results in a cold spot and creosote. I burn 2 year old oak only and have put a wad of insulation in front of the clean out door which as helped . My friend has the same stove but in the larger model. We can burn wood from the same pickup load and he has no problems the only difference is his flue clean out is lower and his chimney is 18 feet wear as mine has the clean out above the stove pipe and is 34 feet tall. The chimney is 8” square flue with block and then brick. I have thought about putting a pellet stove their but do not know if it will heat the house thru convection like the wood stove does. Any suggestion?

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dangerdoc

12-23-2007 18:12:48




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 Re: corn/pellet stove and the goverment in reply to northeast puller 1, 12-23-2007 15:52:50  
Have an expert look at your system, something doesn't sound right. My stove is convection with a fan I can use if I want. With the cat at 1200 degrees and fan running, I can touch the stove pipe. If creosote was going to develop, it would start right there.

Is your chimney on an exterior wall, that may be part of the problem but when the cat is running, there should not be enough creosote to deposite even on a cold chimney.

Something doesn't sound right. With a new catalytic stove, you shouldn't be having these problems.

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bo

12-23-2007 15:33:11




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 Re: corn/pellet stove and the goverment in reply to northeast puller 1, 12-23-2007 14:01:05  
You'll never be self sustaining by using corn, there just isn't enough land to grow the corn that it would take to stop using oil/gas. Corn to burn, corn for fuel, corn for feed. Never happen. Oil dependancy is here and will stay here until a dramatic development happens in energy. Trust me, it's not corn.



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36 coupe

12-24-2007 15:08:08




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 Re: corn/pellet stove and the goverment in reply to bo, 12-23-2007 15:33:11  
Count in the cost of diesel and fertilizer to grow the corn plus the herbicide.Now it takes more fuel to dry the corn, space to store it, more diesel fuel to deliver the corn.Looks pretty bleak.



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dangerdoc

12-23-2007 15:07:19




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 Re: corn/pellet stove and the goverment in reply to northeast puller 1, 12-23-2007 14:01:05  
A few points.

The government pulls the money out of your pocket and then gives it back to you to do what they want you to do. This is not a political forum but it just doesn't sound like a good idea.

A country that resorts to burning their food to stay warm does not have a bright future.

Have you looked at a newer wood stove? I bought one two years ago that will put out good heat loading every 8 hours and will heat for 12 hours if I'm not around. It uses a catalyst which burns the smoke increasing the heat output. I now burn about a third less wood and there is literally nothing to clean out of the chimney at the end of burn season.

Also something else to consider, a corn stove will not function without power. We've already lost electricity three times this winter.

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Gun guru

12-23-2007 16:04:26




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 Re: corn/pellet stove and the goverment in reply to dangerdoc, 12-23-2007 15:07:19  
What type of wood stove do you have? My old wood stove will only run (stay hot/warm for 2 hours)



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dangerdoc

12-23-2007 18:37:43




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 Re: corn/pellet stove and the goverment in reply to Gun guru, 12-23-2007 16:04:26  
It's a Dutchwest. Their biggest convection stove, I can't remember the model name.

I use mostly oak and locust split just enough so that I can shove it through the stove door.

After 10 ours, it is still blowing hot air with enough coals to just load more wood and leave the catalyst running. After 12 hours, it is still blowing warm air but their is not enough fire to keep the catalyst lit when new wood is loaded. I have to shut down the catalyst and open it up to reheat the catalyst so it will burn the smoke.

Once it is hot, you shut the whole thing thing down. The fire box's only purpose is to heat the wood enough to make smoke not burn the wood. It takes hours for the wood to char and finally end up as embers. Think of the embers in a big burn pile buried in the ashes. They can stay hot for days. Same principle here.

The smoke combusts in the catalytic chamber where the heat can be efficiently extracted by the blower.

When the power goes out and you don't have the blower, it still will function as a regular wood stove requiring more frequent stoking but thankfully, we haven't had a protracted outage.

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Xfarmer

12-23-2007 15:01:01




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 Re: corn/pellet stove and the goverment in reply to northeast puller 1, 12-23-2007 14:01:05  
Befor that happens we would have to elect a farmer president, not an oil man. Boy do I wish.



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Sid

12-23-2007 20:50:46




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 Re: corn/pellet stove and the goverment in reply to Xfarmer, 12-23-2007 15:01:01  
If you remember we had a farmer for president not very long ago.



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Gun guru

12-23-2007 14:37:01




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 Re: corn/pellet stove and the goverment in reply to northeast puller 1, 12-23-2007 14:01:05  
What your missing is that you are assuming that the government is intelligent. (which they aint)



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