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Fire in the hol

12-15-2007 20:25:19




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On the farm I have used a trash barrel to burn my garbage for thirty years. Never have liked it. Its always full and its messy to dump. The wife and kids stuff it full and it won't burn down. The barrels I use only last about a year before they just rot away to nothing.
Do any of you guys use an incinerator of some type that will burn everything to ashes? I'm looking to make one but I need some ideas as to how its done. I almost think it needs to be built like a steam engine firebox. Heavy steel? Some open grates on the bottom to let the ash fall through? Some holes around the bottom to let air in? A smokestack to create a draft? Maybe something I can pick up with my loader tractor and have a trap door to dump the ashes?
I just froze my ash off out there trying to burn these darn farm magazines, catalogs and other thick stuff and what I got ain't working.
I'd like to hear from you guys on how you built yours or maybe you could post a picture? Thanks in advance.

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Fire in the hole!

12-17-2007 12:52:34




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 Thanks for all the responses in reply to Fire in the hole!, 12-15-2007 20:25:19  
Thanks to all who responded.
Dan-IA, thanks for the pics and description.
You have near exactly what I was thinking of.
It looks like it has ample capacity and the cats and rain water can't get in. We seldom ever have a burn ban here and even then burning garbage in a barrel doesn't count unless you live in town.
Recycling doesn't work either unless you have someplace to store it all and then I have to load the junk into my pickup and haul it 30 miles.
I don't want garbage sitting around to attract rodents and flies while waiting for a trip to town, and I'd rather conserve the water instead of washing out every bottle and can before it goes into a recycle bin. Burning everything works for our part of the country and then we dump the ash barrels in a hole out back as needed. I just need to do a better job of burning so I don't have to dump so often.

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NE IA

12-16-2007 18:19:29




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 Re: A challenge for you all in reply to Fire in the hole!, 12-15-2007 20:25:19  
Some friends used 5 farrowing crate steel floors wire together and set on double high cement blocks. They did not put a cover over it. It is big enough that way to hold branches etc. The key to any fire is lots of air, thus less ashes when it burns hard. This set up lets you stir the books etc. Never stack books, but rather fluff them so the fire can get at the pages better.

On jobsites we usualy just take a cattle or rather hog panel and bend it completly around and wire it together. It does pretty good keepig the cardboard and other junk from blowing around the yard. NE IA Dave

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Dan-IA

12-16-2007 15:10:12




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I promised pics. So...


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There's a total of 10 pics. Click the pic for the others.



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rrlund

12-16-2007 14:23:07




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 Re: A challenge for you all in reply to Fire in the hole!, 12-15-2007 20:25:19  
I took 3 of those 8 foot J type concrete feed bunks that have been backed into and broken,stood them on their side so I have a three sided concrete "bunker". West side has the flat side out,curved side in. With a west breeze,I get a pretty good draft. It does a pretty good job of reducing everything to it's basic components. Every spring after we finnish the yard cleanup,I just take the loader and clean it out,dump the ashes and a little charcoal,some melted glass and rusted out tin in the dump box and "get rid of it".

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Dairy Farmer in WI

12-16-2007 10:18:07




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 Re: A challenge for you all in reply to Fire in the hole!, 12-15-2007 20:25:19  
i ain't got anything on the inceinerators but a tip to longer lasting barres it to take a torch and cut small holes in the sides. it vents it better and lasts twice as long. the one i got now has lasted me 4 years now ever since i cut those vents in the side
DF in WI



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RossIL

12-16-2007 15:09:51




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 Re: A challenge for you all in reply to Dairy Farmer in WI, 12-16-2007 10:18:07  
A 30-30 works for putting holes in the side and it's a lot more fun.



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RayP(MI)

12-16-2007 16:43:16




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 Re: A challenge for you all in reply to RossIL, 12-16-2007 15:09:51  
I used a .44mag to put holes in my burn barell.... SAY WHAT?????



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Dan-IA

12-16-2007 09:30:27




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 Re: A challenge for you all in reply to Fire in the hole!, 12-15-2007 20:25:19  
Neighbor used to build a lot of 'em, trained me how to do it. He had a stroke and fell on the ice, is laid up now after hip replacement surgery.

Get a 500-gallon fuel barrel. These are about 4-ft across and around 6-feet long. Cut one end completely off, stand it up. Cut 3 holes measuring 1inch by 3 inches in the sides about halfway up.

The door is about 22 inches square. A smokestack is made that's about 2 feet long, goes on top with an 8-flange (smokestack is from old auger tube, it's about 1/8" thick.
about 3 or 4 links of chain are welded on top 2 different places.

Door is reinforced all the way around with straps, with an extra strap in the middle. Door hinges are made by welding on a couple rods and using a tiny metal pipe that just fits over the rod like a sleeve, the straps are welded on directly. Door catch is just a scrap piece of iron with a notch cut in it. Door latch is just a thin bar. Another rod is tack-welded onto this bar for a handle. A single screw/bolt is used to hold the door latch/handle on.

You do separate burnables and tin cans of course, but trash in this can be burnt even in high winds. Trash burns slowly but completely, and it never gets hot enough to hurt the barrel. The ashes seem to just disappear with time - people have owned his barrels for 8 years and never had to dump it - but the chains on top make it easy to pick up with a loader if you needed to.

With a plasma cutter and wire welder, it took us around 4 or 5 hours to do it all. Might take a little longer if you're using a cutting torch.

I'll take a few pictures and post them later.

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matthies

12-16-2007 08:52:53




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Brother uses an old chunk of culvert he got at the county shed. 3 or 4 foot in diameter and about as tall. Your county shed or township might have some damaged or scraps laying around. I myself have a large dumpster and was here when we moved(we rent) and for $25 a month its always full from trash to oil filters and shop rags. chris



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Blue3992 (N Illinois)

12-16-2007 08:37:19




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 Re: A challenge for you all in reply to Fire in the hole!, 12-15-2007 20:25:19  
We burned stuff in a 55 gal. drum with holes cut at the bottom. Worked OK, but we also took newspapers and catalogs to the recycling center, so we didn"t have a whole ton of stuff to burn.

Then I found out that the local trash outfit (Marengo Disposal), would do weekly pick-ups for something like $20 a month. Been using them ever since.



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fixerupper

12-16-2007 07:22:32




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 Re: A challenge for you all in reply to Fire in the hole!, 12-15-2007 20:25:19  
I think it's illegal to burn here too, but a lot of us still have the burn barrel. Two of my neighbors have the garbage man drop off a dumpster for them to use but I don't know what they pay for it. The garbage truck comes around once a month.

I use an old underground burial 1000 gal tank that I stand on end and cut a door in the side. It's boiler plate thickness. No rain gets inside so we usually let the garbage pile up in there for awhile so we can wait until we have a wet day to burn. Our newspapers go to a paper collection point the local Lions club has set up. Tin cans and bottles go in a large covered container and once a year they go to a recycler.Jim

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Dave from MN

12-16-2007 07:05:20




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 Re: A challenge for you all in reply to Fire in the hole!, 12-15-2007 20:25:19  
TAke an old heavy steel barrel and make it into a horizontal burner. Install an old fuel oil burner on one end and have a timer on the power for it. Load her up and start it for a few minutes. If it doesnt burn down , just let the burner finish the job.



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Bob Kerr

12-16-2007 07:03:39




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I knew a guy who used a 275 gal oil tank. Cut a hole in top about2 1/5 ft in dia to dump it in. He used paper grocery sacks for trash and would light it right before tossing it in. Also had a hole cut in bottom to get water out and let air in. I always thought if you took a shop vac that would blow air it would really get a barrel going good and not have so much unburned stuff left. He would back up his truck to the oil tank when full and shove the whole thing in. Took several years to fill it. I personally hate the stink from trash fires. My neighbor burns a load every night and he tosses everything in including glass, That crap smoulders half the night and fogs up the whole area. YUCK!

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Jim WJ

12-16-2007 06:41:40




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On the farm here we used to burn the garbage weekly. But the last several years we recycle and it has worked out well. The[ small ]
amount that is left over can be hauled off for about 20.00 a month. I'm sure this amount willbe different in other areas but it should be somewhat close. As far as burning the small amount that is left over just put it in the wood stove.[with a screen over the stack] I am structural and wildland fire, firefighter and have been on many fire calls because some paper blew off into some tall dry grass. As far as it being illegal I don't know anybody out there that hasen't broken a law some people every day [speeding].

Jim WJ

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RickL

12-16-2007 05:32:15




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recycle it. done what you did for years also but now recycle it what is left is not much goes iniot garbage pickup dumpster that is share with dealer I assemble equipment for in my shop. Before this I alsways used a old 60 bu hog feeder to burn trash in turned upside down it would work for 5 years at least before needed replaced



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showcrop

12-16-2007 05:22:17




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recycle! not for you but for your grand children! it is illegal to burn trash where I live too. but after we separate out the recyclables there isn't much trash to bother with.



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Joe in MN.

12-16-2007 04:51:11




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 Re: A challenge for you all in reply to Fire in the hole!, 12-15-2007 20:25:19  
ALL you guys aren't thinking that good --- I had never had a problem with burning trash -- I have a wood burning heater in my basement/garage -- we keep the burnables seperate from the non-burnables -- and burn the trash in the wood burning unit --- it works perfect and it will never rust away...



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DiyDave

12-16-2007 04:13:54




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Best one I ever had was an old metal barrel that was so old, it looked like an old stave whiskey barrel, fat in the middle, and narrower at the top and bottom. The best thing you can do is to cut the bottom and top completely out, and some air holes at the bottom. With the bottom completely out, it doesn't hold water, so it takes longer to rot out, and all you have to do to empty it is to roll it a little sideways to get rid of ashes.

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doogdoog

12-16-2007 01:53:25




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Aloha, Is it legal to burn trash where you are located? Just wondering because where I live it is illegal but I remember when I was a kid, we used to burn trash until they banned it.
Mahalo,
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Don-Wi

12-15-2007 23:51:54




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 Re: A challenge for you all in reply to Fire in the hole!, 12-15-2007 20:25:19  
The trash barrels at a shop i worked for just had a bunch of holes punched in it allthe way around, and all the way to the bottom. Then the air could get to it and help keep the fire going, instead of trying to get the oxygen in fomr the top when all the hot air and smoke is pushing it out.

Worked good and it would always burn down to just ashes.

The holier the barrel the better.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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big jt

12-15-2007 22:54:13




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I have had the stuff to make one of those but haven't done it yet. Intend to use a old honey wagon on end with my current trash burner inside. That way when the box is full of ash I just have to load it in the PU and haul away.

To provide a little more insight I am currently using a old steel pallet type basket from a factory. It is made of thicker steel and will hold things the 55ers won't. I can also load it with the fork lift when it is time to empty. Has loops on top so the guys at the transfer station can handle it with chains or a lift bar I made. My county will take trash free of charge (prepaid as taxes) if you live in the country.

As to getting your stuff to burn I pour some diesal fuel over whats there and let it soak in before burning. Amazing how well that works. For a 55 that's 2/3 full use about 1.5 gallon. Let it soak for maybe 30 minutes.

HTH

jt

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Texas Sand

12-15-2007 20:38:48




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It would be nice if you could build something to recover some of the heat also, might could heat a shop or something useful. I was in you situation at one time but we found a company that picks ours up now. It just got to be too much trouble to try and burn then still have to haul off a bunch of nasty half burnt leftovers.



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Mr. Bob

12-15-2007 20:30:04




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Perhaps you could build something as you describe and then weld into the side at the botton a peice of pipe to serve as an air intake to which you could attach a blowing device of some sort. Perhaps a Shop Vac reversed. Mr. Bob



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