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826 ih questions water down exhaust pipe

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notadeere

12-15-2007 14:58:54




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Ok not my tractor but the owner was tryn to start it he said a month ago or so after that hard rain we had 4 inchs or so in few days, now he said it started to turn over then got stiff then he loosened the injectors & said lots of water came out ( he didnt have a rain cap on it) said after that it didnt want to run maybe bent push rods ? from the water in cyl. whats your think here ?




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trucker40

12-16-2007 12:07:07




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 Re: 826 ih questions water down exhaust pipe in reply to notadeere, 12-15-2007 14:58:54  
Long as he didnt hook another tractor or something on it and try and pull it he might be alright. I am a diesel mechanic and I have seen bent rods and bent valves but it was when timing gears broke,or somebody pulled a truck with water on top of the pistons. I would be tempted to try and turn it backwards slowly and see if it pushed out the water.If it got tight you would stop,maybe go the other way then. Its not as hard as you might think to bend a rod,but its only going to be 1 or 2 cylinders at the most with water on it unless the valves are burned out.Anyway bending 1 rod wont keep it from running,it will make it miss real bad.Bending 2 rods it might not run if its a 4 cylinder but I think thats a 6 cylinder so it would probly run,not real good. Just my opinion,might not be right.As for it not running,its not going to run good at first because you cant get all of the water out I dont think anyway.You get enough out it will turn over,but some is still going to be in there.

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the Unforgiven

12-15-2007 18:05:18




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 Re: 826 ih questions water down exhaust pipe in reply to notadeere, 12-15-2007 14:58:54  
You guys correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think a hydraulic lock is going to bother the pushrods or valves any, the trouble starts when the engine is turning over and the cylinder that is full of fluid reaches the compression stroke and something has to give, but it's not going to be the valvetrain because they are both closed. If it took that much water for a while I could envision valves stuck open, but I bet it has air in it too.

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Marlowe

12-15-2007 19:35:35




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 Re: 826 ih questions water down exhaust pipe in reply to the Unforgiven, 12-15-2007 18:05:18  
i have a shelf with all kinds of valves and rods that are bent and broke from water in the cyl.



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in-too-deep

12-15-2007 17:09:43




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 Re: 826 ih questions water down exhaust pipe in reply to notadeere, 12-15-2007 14:58:54  
Get him a tin can for Christmas.



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36 coupe

12-16-2007 01:55:29




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 Re: 826 ih questions water down exhaust pipe in reply to in-too-deep, 12-15-2007 17:09:43  
Tin can aint enough,I got some water from a seam that gave out in the muffler.It was hard to see.



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Nebraska Cowman

12-15-2007 15:44:44




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 Re: 826 ih questions water down exhaust pipe in reply to notadeere, 12-15-2007 14:58:54  
I think he probably has air in the injector lines. Even if something was bent or broken it would try to run on the other cylinders if it were getting fuel.



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notadeere

12-15-2007 16:01:54




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 Re: 826 ih questions water down exhaust pipe in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 12-15-2007 15:44:44  
ill have to ask him again how it was when he got water out. & or just go see for myself like you all said just pull valve cover & have a looksee inside Thanks for help



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Janicholson

12-15-2007 15:29:47




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 Re: 826 ih questions water down exhaust pipe in reply to notadeere, 12-15-2007 14:58:54  
Hydraulic lock (water is effectively not compressible) will ruin an engine in a quarter turn of the crank. Drain the oil it probably has a quart in the pan. If the injectors were removed, and the engine cranked till all the water was out, then the system put back together, It might be OK. If the oil is changed and water is out and it still will not run I would pull the valve cover as indicated below. JimN

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Marlowe

12-15-2007 15:13:55




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 Re: 826 ih questions water down exhaust pipe in reply to notadeere, 12-15-2007 14:58:54  
if that's all it can bend rods blow the head gasket seen one with a cracked head and the bent valves for 5.00 bucks he could have saved a lot. i would by pulling the valve cover and that should till you if the valves are bent then go from there



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