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Chuck McNelley

12-09-2007 14:01:40




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Hi everyone, I am new to old tractors, and new to farming. I have been and antique car guy my whole life racing and working on them. I met and married the farmers daughter in a small town west of Wichita, Kansas. We just aquired a 25 acre piece of property and would like to begin farming it. What sort of tractor woudl you recommend to do the bush hoggin' and just general working on our property. It is flat farm ground. I would like a tractor that can operate different types of impliments. Tnaks for your ideas guys!!
--Chuck

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Polkwing

12-10-2007 09:17:27




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 Re: New to Antique tractors in reply to Chuck McNelley, 12-09-2007 14:01:40  
I'm no farmer but seems to me the choice of a tractor would depend on several things.

A. what has the acreage been used for?
B. what do you plan to use the acres for?
C. if you want will surrounding property be available to enlarge your operation?

Seems to me the size, type, hp, etc of a tractor would hinge on what the use demand would be.

Whatever your choice, good luck. Farming can be a tough life no matter how big or small the spread.

Polkwing

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Rickey H

12-09-2007 19:27:54




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 Re: New to Antique tractors in reply to Chuck McNelley, 12-09-2007 14:01:40  
Another vote for the MF 135 or 150 3 cylinder diesel, easy on fuel easy to work on, You can bushhog, plow or whatever hard to beat for a one tractor setup.... Rickey



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MF Poor

12-10-2007 03:26:44




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 Re: New to Antique tractors in reply to Rickey H, 12-09-2007 19:27:54  
Agreed! 135/150 and some of the newer versions of basically the same tractor. (ie 245,240, 250, ect)

135"s and 150"s can be found for under $4000 in good condition. (On up to $6000 range) There"s still a lot of low houred ones around. Perkins diesel is among the most fuel efficient engines ever built. It"s the cheapest engine of it"s size to rebuild. Parts are available through AGCO/MF and plenty of aftermarket parts too. The basic priciple behind those tractors was to keep them simple and easy to understand so farmers could do even the major repairs out under the shadetree. Simple ended up meaning reliable and economical. I"ve owned a 150 since it was new in 1971 and wouldn"t trade it for 10 NEW tractors.

They have all the bells and whistle you have to have. 3-point (w/draft control), live power, power steering (optional on 135"s standard on 150"s), good dealer/manufacturer support, and reliable, economic operation.

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j meyer

12-09-2007 19:06:44




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 Re: New to Antique tractors in reply to Chuck McNelley, 12-09-2007 14:01:40  
Here's my advice- Dont listen to anyones recommended tractors on this board. Go to your closest local implement lot and find yourself a good tractor. Buy an American built unit, and be sure the tractor fits your requirements. The reason I say to buy local is that way when you need service, they are there for you. Its really no different then owning a car. Buy whats best for you, and find a good dealer to support you and your needs. Good luck!

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flying belgian

12-09-2007 19:02:24




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 Re: New to Antique tractors in reply to Chuck McNelley, 12-09-2007 14:01:40  
4020 JD.



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Tradititonal Farmer

12-09-2007 17:45:10




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 Re: New to Antique tractors in reply to Chuck McNelley, 12-09-2007 14:01:40  
DO NOT buy an old N model Ford unless you enjoy working on tractors more than running them.
With fuel around $3/gal a gasoline tractor can run into some serious $$$ to operate as they usually burn 3X the fuel the same HP tractor on diesel will burn.Example my Oliver 1365 diesel (55HP) burns around 3/4 gal/hr fuel.AC D17 gas (55 HP) will hit close to 3 gals/hr gasloine.Even a 2 gal/hr difference for 200hrs/year will be $800/year extra to run the gasser.

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Bob

12-09-2007 18:34:30




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 Tradititonal Farmer in reply to Tradititonal Farmer, 12-09-2007 17:45:10  
Tradititonal Farmer,

What's your "beef" with the "N" Fords? While they lack live PTO and live hydraulics, they have no more maintenance issues than any other tractor including some of the modern "half plastic" stuff that is being sold today.



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Tradititonal Farmer

12-09-2007 23:25:03




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 Re: Tradititonal Farmer in reply to Bob, 12-09-2007 18:34:30  
As a farmer that was around the N when people were really trying to farm with them all I can say is Yes they do have a lot more mechanical issues.Good example was our neighbor while they owned and worked on and wore out 3 Ns in succession we had a CA Allis we put more hrs on and rarely had to do anything mechanical.Why do you think there are so many aftermarket parts avilable? Answer:Because something always breaks down on them.

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Bob

12-10-2007 06:07:34




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 Re: Tradititonal Farmer in reply to Tradititonal Farmer, 12-09-2007 23:25:03  
LOL!



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1936

12-09-2007 16:28:22




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 Re: New to Antique tractors in reply to Chuck McNelley, 12-09-2007 14:01:40  
Never know when you many get the rest of the farms? Start out with a JD 4430. Never know what will happen?
Buy anything that is like new and running. The extra money is worth it.



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gene bender

12-09-2007 16:01:53




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 Re: New to Antique tractors in reply to Chuck McNelley, 12-09-2007 14:01:40  
I would gp to the neighbors for some advice on where and what to buy as they know the local imp dealers for service and a good background.



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MarkOhio

12-09-2007 15:58:25




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 Re: New to Antique tractors in reply to Chuck McNelley, 12-09-2007 14:01:40  
Chuck, I'm going to put my vote in for a Massey Ferguson 135, either gas or preferably diesel. It has everything mentioned in some of the other posts, independent PTO, 3 point hitch. If you look long enough you can find one with power steering, although even without it they still steer easily. I have a '69 model with the Perkins diesel engine that seems to run all week on a tank of fuel and has plenty of power (About 38 I think) for what I, and you will be using it for. Parts are still easy to get although in the 600 hours I've used mine it hasn't needed much more than routine maintence. Good luck to you

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BillinCentralMO

12-09-2007 18:40:00




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 Re: New to Antique tractors in reply to MarkOhio, 12-09-2007 15:58:25  
Agree with Mark , can't beat that 135 MF for small farming.



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Steven f/AZ

12-09-2007 14:39:56




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 Re: New to Antique tractors in reply to Chuck McNelley, 12-09-2007 14:01:40  
How mechanically inclined are you? How much time do you want to spend working on this 25 acres?



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Chuck McNelley

12-09-2007 15:12:15




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 Re: New to Antique tractors in reply to Steven f/AZ, 12-09-2007 14:39:56  
I consider myself fairly well mechanicly inlined, and we are planning to work the land as a hobby, we both work during the week, so we will be hobby ranchers. Thanks,
--Chuck



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rrlund

12-09-2007 14:18:56




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 Re: New to Antique tractors in reply to Chuck McNelley, 12-09-2007 14:01:40  
If I was in your shoes and just wanted a nice little antique tractor to fool around with,I'd have an Oliver 550,gas or diesel,doesn't matter. They had live PTO and hydraulics,3 point hitch,some had power steering,parts are still available,bullet proof engine and trans.



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Vacherie

12-09-2007 19:01:20




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 Re: New to Antique tractors in reply to rrlund, 12-09-2007 14:18:56  
Where do you get parts.



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Chuck McNelley

12-09-2007 15:13:30




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 Re: New to Antique tractors in reply to rrlund, 12-09-2007 14:18:56  
Sir, Thank you very much. I appriciate your help



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Fawteen

12-09-2007 14:13:43




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 Re: New to Antique tractors in reply to Chuck McNelley, 12-09-2007 14:01:40  
Antiques are fun, simple to work on and parts are readily available for most popular brands/models.

But.

It's really hard to beat a modern compact diesel for economical, dependable, versatile power. Local dealer support is more important than brand, pick one that you can get parts and service for.

You want:

3 point hitch (the range of implements available is staggering)

Power steering

Loader (you won't believe how useful a loader is)

4WD or MFWD

You need to think about whether you want gear drive or hydrostatic. Personally, I prefer gear drive as it's simpler, cheaper, more rugged and it puts more of your rated engine power on the ground. Advantages of hydro are essentially infinite variations in ground speed, and they're the cat's caboose for loader work.

You DO NOT want

Gray market machines (parts availabilty is poor)

ANYTHING Chinese (NorTrac, Jinma, and many others)

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Fawteen

12-09-2007 14:14:34




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 Re: New to Antique tractors in reply to Fawteen, 12-09-2007 14:13:43  
Forgot to add Live PTO on the Must Have list.



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Chuck McNelley

12-09-2007 15:15:57




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 Re: New to Antique tractors in reply to Fawteen, 12-09-2007 14:14:34  
Thank you Sir, I have been looking at some newer tractors. Prices are pretty high, but I share your preference for standard shifts!
--Chuck



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Fawteen

12-09-2007 15:54:50




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 Re: New to Antique tractors in reply to Chuck McNelley, 12-09-2007 15:15:57  
You should be able to find a used one under $10K, possibly WELL under, depending on horsepower.

Kubota, John Deere, Ford, New Holland/Boomer, Massey Ferguson all make good ones. Most are re-badged Japanese units. Mahindra (Indian) and the new McCormicks seem to be fairly well-received too.

Best deal is to find one some Yuppie has used for a glorified lawn mower and traded up to a bigger one to Keep Up with the Joneses. They rarely get much hard use and can be quite low hours.

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old

12-09-2007 15:30:07




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 Re: New to Antique tractors in reply to Chuck McNelley, 12-09-2007 15:15:57  
Keep your eyes wide open and look and look some more. If you have the time and know how you can pick up a fixer upper pretty cheap and then fix it for your self. Theres all sorts of tractors that will work well for what you want. 8N ford, Allis B or C or WD any of the other fords like 601-801. Olivers, farmalls. All depends on how much you want to do and what you want to do. I have close to 30 tractors and most I have picked up cheap and then fixed up. Look at my web site to get an idea of a few I have. Also how close are you to Winfield, I live out there a few decades ago

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omahagreg

12-09-2007 14:11:44




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 Re: New to Antique tractors in reply to Chuck McNelley, 12-09-2007 14:01:40  
I would recommend an Allis Chalmers D17 Series 4 Diesel, but that is my terribly biased opinion! Greg



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KEH

12-09-2007 15:08:40




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 Re: New to Antique tractors in reply to omahagreg, 12-09-2007 14:11:44  

Be aware of safety issues with running a bush hog. If you get a tractor without live or independant PTO the momentum of the big blades and stump jumper under the bush hog will keep the tractor going even after you push in the clutch. This may cause you to run over something you don't want to. A device called an overunning clutch will stop this, but like the others said, get a tractor with live or independent pto to begin with for other reasons.

KEH

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