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Formerly PaMike

12-06-2007 15:40:11




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My neighbor had public auction to sell all his equipment. He died last week of a brain tumor. His boys had all the equipment running this morning, and left it running for everyone to check out. During the course of the day someone shut off the Bobcat 753, and stole the key. They then wrote "motor knocks" on the bucket. The auctioneer garrenteed that the motor was good, but they still only got $4500 for it...Some people should just be shot. I cant imagine doing that to someone...

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rrlund

12-07-2007 07:01:41




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 Re: Auction Scumbags in reply to Formerly PaMike, 12-06-2007 15:40:11  
I've seen a couple of instances like that. Had an old guy down the road went and looked a skid steer the day before,checked out OK. Went back the morning of the sale and the old coot switched a couple of spark plug wires so it ran like crap. Bought it cheap,switched the wires back and loaded it up. Another time,two local brothers were looking at a corn picker. Waited for the crowd and auctioneer to get close. One of them looked down inside and said "look at that. There's a shaft broke down there. That's gonna be a bear to fix" The brother looked in and said "yep,I'll be darned". They bought it for next to nothing. Course there wasn't anything broke.

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John S-B

12-07-2007 06:26:55




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 Re: Auction Scumbags in reply to Formerly PaMike, 12-06-2007 15:40:11  
Isn't all this stuff here THEFT BY DECEPTION? And should'nd these people by charged with that? Seems to me that would stop a lot of it.



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JML755

12-07-2007 05:52:56




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 Re: Auction Scumbags in reply to Formerly PaMike, 12-06-2007 15:40:11  
Jack is right. Can't tell a book by its cover. I know a guy who is constantly "thanking the Lord" and talking about being a "good Christian", yet I have seen him screw people he does business with any chance he gets. And he brags about it. The excuse he uses is that he's tired of getting screwed himself.



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cj3b_jeep

12-07-2007 05:04:21




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 Re: Auction Scumbags in reply to Formerly PaMike, 12-06-2007 15:40:11  
I've seen all of these kind of things before. There is a woman who comes to the local auction house and buys a cheap box, then loads stuff from other boxes into hers. My buddy's daughter told the auctioneer about it and they threw her out, it's not the fisrt time for her either, we've seen her at other auctions.



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thepinkpanther

12-07-2007 05:03:10




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 Re: Auction Scumbags in reply to Formerly PaMike, 12-06-2007 15:40:11  
....thats a shame.i am sure the family needed the money too.

if something like that happens again you can use a chevy key or a master lock key.they will work in most bobcat ignitions



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Kansas Cockshutt

12-06-2007 22:45:54




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 Re: Auction Scumbags in reply to Formerly PaMike, 12-06-2007 15:40:11  
Don't get me wrong here- I agree with all the comments; but if it was running all morning and warmed up, why not just open the fuel shutoff and jump it at the solenoid? Or was it one of the newer ones with the electronic interlocks?



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I don't have a name

12-06-2007 20:43:58




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 Re: Auction Scumbags in reply to Formerly PaMike, 12-06-2007 15:40:11  
Things appear to be getting worse, underhanded things have been going on at auctions for years, but latley auctions have been requiring more and more security. People steal and destroy so much. They monkey with things like fuel shutoffs, plug wires, distributer caps, anything to make something appear not to work so they can get something for nothing. There is a farm equipment dealer who has consignment auctions twice a year here, and he has been getting tens of thousands of dollars worth of stuff stolen off their lot, and he now hires a lot of security for during the auction, its the only way to prevent people from putting things in their trucks that they hadn't bought. Even with the security, he is still losing some stuff and has his full time mechanics there to check stuff over and get all the tractors running before they sell them, and people purposly kill the batteries and everything else on them so they won't start. I was at an auction awhile ago, and was looking over an Allis Chalmers 190 and a fellow come along and told me it had been in a flood, the engine was stuck and it was junk, well, guess who was bidding on it come auction time?, the guy had told a complete lie, it was a running tractor and he bought it. I have a very hard time trusting anyone outside my family, so many liars and cheaters out there who don't seem to care who they rip off as long as they benefit. Even a childhood friend of mine took something from my place awhile ago that while it isn't the end of the world or a friendship breaker, it sure did surprise me that he'd do such a thing. I'd known him my whole life and never thought he'd take anything from me.
On CNN tonight they were showing donations to the Salvation Army getting stolen left and right in some city. Some people were dropping things off, and others would come along and load up everything they wanted and take it. They caught some of them on camera and interviewed a couple of them, and they were mostly embarassed, but pretty much said since that stuff was there they might as well take it since someone else problably would and not all of them looked poor. I am wondering what the future is going to be like, although maybe its not getting worse at all since there has been scumbags all throughout history, but it seems like in the last few years people have been getting worse, maybe its because religion is becomming less and less important in peoples lives?. Just seems like the majority of people can't be trusted at all.

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Jack a

12-07-2007 03:58:45




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 Re: Auction Scumbags in reply to I don't have a name, 12-06-2007 20:43:58  
Sometimes it's the religious ones you got to look out for. I know a guy I used to work with that was untrustworthy when it came to charity. He always is at church and and is always making sure everyone knows it. His wife makes big money as a nurse and he make good money too but when he goes by the Good Will drop bin he stops and cleans them out on anything decent. Then he and his wife have garage sales alll summer long with the stuff he stole. His reasoning is that those Good Will scumbags don't deserve it and that's why he does it. It's not because he makes alot of money on the stuff, he doesn't. It's because he hates people that are on welfare or are having tough times. He on the other hand has had everything handed to him.

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730virgil

12-06-2007 20:07:34




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 Re: Auction Scumbags in reply to Formerly PaMike, 12-06-2007 15:40:11  
i was at an auction where a tractor had a miss.
the auctioner said this tractor did not run like this before. someone is playing games with us and i will not sell this tractor today. someone thought they were going to buy a tractor cheap NOT



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Blue3992 (N Illinois)

12-06-2007 19:50:29




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 Re: Auction Scumbags in reply to Formerly PaMike, 12-06-2007 15:40:11  
I don't go to as many auctions as I used to, but at the last one I went to that had a lot o f machinery, it seemed like the owner had at least a dozen buddies and friends whatching over the mechnical stuff. If you got close enough to tractor to look at it, or if you tired to start it up, they were right there to "answer any questinos you had."

Those guys were able to answer questions from the honest folks (95% of the crowd). They also kept the dishonest 5% of folks away, and prevented them from screwing with the machinery.

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Boley

12-06-2007 19:50:01




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 Re: Auction Scumbags in reply to Formerly PaMike, 12-06-2007 15:40:11  
A friend was related to a mechanic at a public works department that holds annual auctions of equipment and vehicles.The mechanic advised him to buy the ones that wouldn't run,as they were the best ones.They had been purposely put in that condition to favor "those in the know" chances for getting bargains.Auction buys are a pig in a poke at best,facing a deck stacked by insiders eliminates fair play altogether.It may be true that cheaters never win,but they do cause others aggravation and to have a lot of hate for their sorry behinds.

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RobMD

12-06-2007 19:45:23




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 Re: Auction Scumbags in reply to Formerly PaMike, 12-06-2007 15:40:11  
I've seen some MAJOR SMART-A$$ auction goers. These type of people do the following:

A) Be annoying, arrogant old UGLY goats who bellow and bark at fellow nice, gentlemanly bidders

B) Ride their fat a$$es around in a golf cart and yelling at people trying to get them to move out of the way.

C) climb up tractors, poke around on every control, pull spark plug wires, complain, pi$$ and moan about this and that AND THEN BID ON IT.

D) sit on a tractor as if it's theirs EVEN after a gentleman wins it!!!... >:0

E) Interrupt the auctioneer with jokes that are not funny, often perverted.

F) push good people around, and strutting their smart-a$$-ness around the site.

and finally,

G) Yell and curse at you in front of your young cousins while bidding.


Can you tell...just tell, that I don't like these low-class people?

I HAD to rant here.

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I don't have a name

12-06-2007 21:33:21




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 Re: Auction Scumbags in reply to RobMD, 12-06-2007 19:45:23  
How about the low lifes that get angry with you when you buy something because they couldn't get it cheap?.



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Goose

12-06-2007 19:41:38




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 Re: Auction Scumbags in reply to Formerly PaMike, 12-06-2007 15:40:11  
I used to have an auto dealer's license along with a full time shop. The dealer's auctions are not for the faint of heart.

I was once looking over an S-10 Blazer, and while poking around under the hood I found the hose to the vacuum solenoid that engages the 4wd was pulled off and stuck behind a wiring harness. Someone obviously wanted to buy it and then take it to arbitration, claiming the 4wd didn't work. I replaced the hose and the 4wd engaged fine. Turned out I bought the vehicle and made decent money off of it. And that's routine stuff.

But, at a place like the Omaha Auto Auction with 5 rings running at the same time, the potential for shenanigans is mind-boggling. I gave up on dealer auctions after I found out I could buy "fixer-upper" vehicles out of the classified ads and make more money.

And it's not just machinery and vehicles. After my mother-in-law died, we had an auction that included some antique dishes and glassware. There was a particular cut glass vase, worth about $350, on a table with like items. Three times I saw a lady (?) bury it in a box of junk worth maybe $5. After the third time, I timed it so I put the vase back where it belonged just before the box of junk was sold. The auctioneer was a family friend, so I assume he was clean.

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John T

12-06-2007 18:25:38




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 Re: Auction Scumbags in reply to Formerly PaMike, 12-06-2007 15:40:11  
Having bought at auctions for a living some years back Ive seen that done and its disgusting. Tell you this from years of experience, say a guy walks up to you as youre lookin at a vehicle n tells you "Stay away from that thing, has a rod or engine or some other serious problem posing like he knew the owner or was familair with the vehicle WHEN THAT ITEM IS AUCTIONED HES HID IN THE BACK BIDDING ON IT LOL

Had a guy walk up to me at an auction n say boy you dont want that darn truck listen how bad it misses..... same thing he was hid in back bidding on it like crazy..... ...I bought it and nosed arrund n discovered (what I already suspected) half the plug wires had been switched to the wrong cap towers,,,,, ,,,,fixed that n she ran PERFECT

If caught they oughta be banned form auctions for life

John T

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Tradititonal Farmer

12-07-2007 03:38:43




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 Re: Auction Scumbags in reply to John T, 12-06-2007 18:25:38  
Or it could be like the guy I told that the Oliver tractor he was looking at had a rod knock.He thought I was messing with him.It threw a rod within an hour of him taking it to the field



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Davis In SC

12-06-2007 17:35:47




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 Re: Auction Scumbags in reply to Formerly PaMike, 12-06-2007 15:40:11  
I go to a lot of shop and factory auctions, and see the same type of tricks pulled. Someone locks a tool or supply cabinet, and steals the key, or steals a critical part off a machine, making it worth a lot less, so they can get it cheap since they have the part they stole. I am about to the point of avoiding auctions. Too many crooks & scammers, on both sides..



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335LP

12-06-2007 17:26:53




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 Re: Auction Scumbags in reply to Formerly PaMike, 12-06-2007 15:40:11  
That's not right and if the auctioneer went ahead and sold it like that not getting what it was worth it reflects badly on them too. Seen same thing here before where auctioneers helper took keys out of someone's tractor and wouldn't let anyone else start it for others to hear it run and that crook Darrell bought it! Later he was loading and I said oh the crooks found the key? He said oh they found the key later in the mud yeah right!

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135 Fan

12-06-2007 17:00:08




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 Re: Auction Scumbags in reply to Formerly PaMike, 12-06-2007 15:40:11  
The auctioneer shouldn't have sold it. He had to know it was worth more. After it was sold, the guy with the key or a friend probably started it up to load it. If I was your neighbor, I'd go after the auctioneer and if the buyer wasn't involved in the scam, he'd probably cooperate more. I've been at auctions where keys were taken and the auctioneer said they would find the key and come back to that item. I did buy a big water tank once and went to get the item number off of it to pay for it and someone wrote not in sale on it. I wish I would have remembered the number on it and paid as soon I won the bid. On the wall in the office, it clearly states "items left more than 30 days are subject to resale". Turns out the guy who bought it a couple months earlier never took it home and had a history of arrogance with the auction company. They told him off and gave him 2 days to take it away but I was still out a nice 1200 gallon water tank. The auctioneer is pretty good so I didn't press it too much. I should have. The auctioneer has his own sales yard and if you take bigger items and they don't get enough, you don't have to pay any commission. In the case of the Bobcat, I think criminal charges should be laid against someone. That's terrible. Dave

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iowa_tire_guy

12-06-2007 16:33:41




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 Re: Auction Scumbags in reply to Formerly PaMike, 12-06-2007 15:40:11  
My Dad was dead set against having an auction even though he quit farming in 1999. He said it just advertises for all kinds of crooks to come look your place over to come back later. So when he died in October having an auction wasn't even considered. Took the best to a consignment auction or dealer to sell and sold the rest to a junk man I trusted. So far it has worked out good.



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Ray

12-06-2007 16:27:10




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 Re: Auction Scumbags in reply to Formerly PaMike, 12-06-2007 15:40:11  
At a local estate auction they had a JD 4020 powershift that wouldn't move auction day.The auctioneer said they used it for two days to set the auction up and it worked fine.A local jocky bought it,and later drove it onto his trailer.I was told there's a lever you could flip under the platform to throw the tranny out of gear.



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JMS/.MN

12-06-2007 22:51:55




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 Re: Auction Scumbags in reply to Ray, 12-06-2007 16:27:10  
On the 3020 and 4020 the lever comes up through the platform, on the left side, near the seat. One end of the slot says "TOW". Later series, it is under the cab.



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Ohio Mike

12-06-2007 16:06:47




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 Re: Auction Scumbags in reply to Formerly PaMike, 12-06-2007 15:40:11  
Local dealer here has consignment auction couple times a year and he said you wouldn't beleave some of the things people (crooks) will try to get away with. He has mechanics on duty during the sale and they hold the keys as much as possible and try to watch very close. He also has his employees drive the tractors ect. through an auction ring and that helps cause the mechanics can catch something wrong before it hits the auction block. I've seen this crap happen at many auctions and it just stinks. If I catch someone doing it I make a BIG fuss about it and make sure the crooks actions are known.

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Lanse

12-06-2007 15:45:14




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 Re: Auction Scumbags in reply to Formerly PaMike, 12-06-2007 15:40:11  
what a loser. Forgive my youthful ignorance, but i just dont see why people pull that crap.



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Lanse

12-06-2007 16:29:23




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 Re: Auction Scumbags in reply to Lanse, 12-06-2007 15:45:14  
I would much rather wait and buy the thing honestly. People are sick.



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Ben Rauls

12-06-2007 15:43:02




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 Re: Auction Scumbags in reply to Formerly PaMike, 12-06-2007 15:40:11  
same thing happened to me, set up the auction for my wifes grandfather that passed away, had three tractors, took the keys out of 2 and the distribitor rotor out of the last one, never been so irate when i went to start them, still brought very good money though.
Ben



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Formerly PaMike

12-06-2007 15:48:24




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 Re: Auction Scumbags in reply to Ben Rauls, 12-06-2007 15:43:02  
I think they should have pulled the high bidder aside and gone through his truck and person for the paint stick or key to make sure he wasnt the one who did it.



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Ben Rauls

12-06-2007 15:59:17




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 Re: Auction Scumbags in reply to Formerly PaMike, 12-06-2007 15:48:24  
I money they got i wasnt to worried, had 2 leylan 270's one ran and drove other did not, running brought $5800, non runner brought 1200, farmall h rough, but ran, 1500



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BillinCentralMO

12-06-2007 15:59:07




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 Re: Auction Scumbags in reply to Formerly PaMike, 12-06-2007 15:48:24  
Should've stopped the entire auction and called the police.Someone in that crowd saw who did that.Crowds have a way of exacting their own brand of justice , when one members shenanigans start to ruin it for the whole crowd.Why do you think the US Army punishes an entire platoon for the shortfalls of one trainee? Because it's highly effective. The others who were made to run two miles at 5 am in a cold downpour don't soon forget who screwed up.

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georgeky

12-06-2007 16:14:25




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 Re: Auction Scumbags in reply to BillinCentralMO, 12-06-2007 15:59:07  
When I was in boot camp we ran 2 or 3 miles every morning at 4:10 AM. My drill Sgt ran our platoon up and down stairs for 4 hours over one man screw ups. Had 2 min each time to go up change uniform and come back down.



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