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Dennis A. Starl

11-30-2007 06:52:38




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Just purchased a 58 acre farm as a retirement place for years of fun and activity. 30 acres "leased" to a pro farmer and the rest (18 acres) is essentially pasture needing mowing and feeding.I need guidance on tractor and supporting implements for the pasture work. Specifically trying to select the appropriate hardware and learn about operation and safety stone cold before getting into this for the first time. Very much looking forward to it but want to avoid investment pitfalls and the potential for losing a limb or two. Anybody out there know where to go for advise on how to approach this subject? Much Appreciated..... .

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stev703

12-24-2007 12:51:32




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 Re: Help..New to Farming in reply to Dennis A. Starliper, 11-30-2007 06:52:38  
Dennis,
Just ignore all these whiners!! When I was a kid I worked for ALL these guys. All they ever did was take the hands to the field and then go drink coffee at the cafe and talk about how hard times were! If it were really hard, they would all have moved to town years ago.
Just dont plan on making a living on 18 acres.
The ag agent gave you good advice, but the main thing is do whatever you feel like doing--it doesnt make any difference if you make money at it or not. You can write it off like all the pro farmers do! And maybe get an ag exemption and a government subsidy check for not growing cotton or something. Asking questions (as you can see) is mainly a waste of time. I've asked the pro farmers their opinion, but my questions are usually about things they have never really considered because they are farming on a large scale so they are not much help. The county agent is the best source, thats what they do.
Buy a 30 to 50 hp tractor with a front end loader, tiller, blade, shredder and what ever other toys you want!! It's your money and your place--have a ball!!!
P.S. Dont forget to go to the cafe and gripe about the hard times!! LOL!

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Buffalo Chips

11-30-2007 23:23:08




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 Re: Help..New to Farming in reply to Dennis A. Starliper, 11-30-2007 06:52:38  
18 acres isn"t worth investing in any equipment.
But if you insist on something to do in a pair of bib overalls and clod hoppers, then here"s what you do... If you want to keep the 18 acres as pasture, you have 3 options...

1. Get some hamburger on the hoof. Fence it off and turn em loose. Now you can go to the house because cattle make money all by themselves. Just sell her calf when he gets big enough. That is if he ain"t dead already from the scours he got when he was two days old. Just don"t forget to check the fence. Yes that also means you have to fix the fences. Yes that means you found your herd "hoofin it" to town while your headin that way yourself (and already ten minutes late for a neighbors funeral). Don"t forget to thaw out the frozen stock tank. Yes that means you need to fix fence after the herd went "lookin" for water. Oh, and also make sure you keep plenty of grain on hand. Make sure they don"t get into your grain supply and flounder themselves. Yes that means you need good fence between your cows and your grain supply. And hay, haul in a lot of hay during those winter months. And don"t let your cattle get into your hay supply or they"ll ruin all the bales and they won"t keep very long in adverse weather. Yes that means more fencing. And protein tubs. And mineral licks. And salt blocks. Be sure to keep the flys controlled in the summer. That oil rubber and dust scratcher never need attention. HA. And haul the sick ones to the vet cause they don"t like to do house calls anymore. Be sure you get your bull tested to see if his ammo is any good. You also need to bring him back home from the neighbors when he gets tired of hanging around your own cows and goes looking for greener pastures. Yes that means fix the fence again. Don"t forget to check them cows every two hours every day and night during two months of calving season. Be sure you can see good at night when you do this. Bleary eyed from lack of sleep and tearing eyes from cold wet winds, freezing rain or blinding snow is no excuse. Be sure your health ins. and life ins. policies are paid up for the cow that finds you too close to her calf at 3am when you can"t see anything. (You will either find yourself ten feet in the air and wonder at the same time how you can see the big dipper amongst the stars when looking down at your boots or you"ll find yourself making a 6 inch depression in the ground, (even if its frozen) after she nails you to the earth with her forehead between your shoulder blades while she stands on your legs at the same time. Don"t let the butcher have all the fun when she goes to town, you"ve now earned the right to drill her between the eyes with the firearm of your choice. (Yes that means load her on the trailer FIRST, then BLAMMO). while we"re on the subject of loading cows, (live ones) lets not forget what happens to fences when you crowd a bunch of em into a corner while your trying to load em up. Do I have to say it? Speaking of trailers, lets not forget that trailer needs some new wiring done to the lights (state trooper) and the brakes need replaced (bent bumper). Four new tires wouldn"t hurt either but you"ll find that out when you have that big load on a cold day and 10 below wind chill and only an hour to get to that school function you promised your wife you wouldn"t miss while you wonder what piece of machinery you left your jack under last week. (the spare is flat anyway and if it wasn"t its probably not with the trailer anyhow). Also that pickup you own, (the one that gets 8 mpg but you have to have something big enough to handle that big trailer), well anyhow, it needs some tlc also after you ruined the trany trying to pull that trailer through all the mud you"ve created in your driveway because of all the time you spend driving in and out of the cow lot taking care of all these cows that make money all by themselves.

2. Don"t get any critters. Fertilize it (then fix the front axle on the tractor after you hit that big azz badger hole), spray it (then fix the sprayer), mow it (then fix the mower), rake it (then fix the rake), bale it (then fix the baler), stack it (then fix the loader), cover it (then repair the tarp), test it for quality (then do it again because the lab lost your sample), advertise it (then do it again because the paper misspelled your phone number), sell it (then sell it again because the first buyer backed out of the deal), load it onto someones truck (then load it again because it bales fell off the other side when you gave em a little "nudge" with the loader), do most of this haying activity in 90 degree heat, 90% humidity and 90 mosquitos/minute. Then tell yourself how much easier it is to not have livestock around.

3. Just let the grass grow and enjoy the wildlife, such as coons and skunks in your outbuildings and on your porch at night eating your dogfood and the mice invading your house and rats in the grainery. Badger mounds and fox dens all over so you can"t ride an atv without fear of killing yourself and the deer running into your vehicles every time you drive home in the dark. And since you have all this wildlife, you also have people hunting without permission with stray bullets whizzing by from time to time. The fences don"t do any good here either. I won"t mention the rabies and distemper your cats will get from all their "encounters" in the grass and your dogs barking all hours of the night over all the "sounds" they hear all night long.

Anyway, those are the three easy choices you have. If you want a real challenge, then we could talk about breaking that pasture and doing some real dirt farming to raise a crop.
Enjoy your piece of heaven. Land ownership is the one thing you will never give up no matter how hard the work. Too much of a person goes into it (blood, sweat and tears) to give it up very easily down the road. Show me someone who doesn"t care for or care about his land and I"ll show you someone who has never put anything of himself into it. It becomes a part of ones own self and a part of who he is. Yet we can never consider it ours because we can"t take it with us when we go. We can only pass it on to the next generation to do the same. Goodluck!

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Mattlt

12-01-2007 04:24:19




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 Re: Help..New to Farming in reply to Buffalo Chips, 11-30-2007 23:23:08  
You pretty much summed it up...



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Alex-41JDb

11-30-2007 21:16:22




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 Re: Help..New to Farming in reply to Dennis A. Starliper, 11-30-2007 06:52:38  
Where you located. Tell us and if any of us are near almost everyone would come over and look at your situation as long as you buy the coffee and donuts of course. lol



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flying belgian

11-30-2007 19:40:05




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 Re: Help..New to Farming in reply to Dennis A. Starliper, 11-30-2007 06:52:38  
I think I would go to your nearest equip. dealer and tell him what you are going to do. He is familiar with farming practices in your area and can sell you apropriate tractor and equip. It doesn't matter what brand as anything built after about 1980 is of good quality and the only difference is distance to supporting dealer.



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kyplowboy

11-30-2007 17:52:55




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 Re: Help..New to Farming in reply to Dennis A. Starliper, 11-30-2007 06:52:38  
You are on the right track. Get as much advice as you can from differnt people. Take it all with a grain of salt. Only you know what you see down the road with your spread. Is this farm going to be your hide away place to piddle some or are you going to try to make a dime or two off it? If you are just going to use the place for R and R, do what ever floats your boat on it. If you don"t want it to become a money pit, move slow, ask alot of questions, and listen alot. You should have a good working relationship with your seed/fert/feed/fence/iron dealer, county extention agent, banker, and farmers close to you. Just don"t try to do EVERY thing ANY of them tell you. Be for you drop money on a tractor of other large ticket item post on here, tell us the sale pitch you were given and what you are going to be doing with it and every one on here will be happy to tell you what we thank. There are some tractors that will do every thing you want done on 18 acres, there are just some that are better for hay and over kill for turning a garden over. Some are perfect for plow"n a garden just not big enough for most hay work. Congrats on your purchase and good luck with it. Stay in touch.

Dave

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Paul from MI

11-30-2007 17:34:12




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 Re: Help..New to Farming in reply to Dennis A. Starliper, 11-30-2007 06:52:38  
A lot of what you need depends on your background and what you want to do with your land. If you are not a pretty good mechanic, stay away from the very old stuff. If you are going to maintain pastures, etc. you may not need as big a tractor as if you are raising crops. If you intend to raise grain crops, it's pretty hard to do it with less than 40HP and then you won't find much modern equipment of that size. I grew up wrenching on old tractors in the 50's and get by on 12 acres with 3 old John Deeres(A,B,D), no live PTO, no 3 point and a bunch of old drawn equipment that I rescued from the scrap iron pile. Works for me, but I have a fairly well equipped shop and am a journeyman tool & die maker and master electrician. Have fun with whatever you do. It is very satisfying to raise good crops with this kind of equipment, and you'll turn a few heads when people drive down the road.
Paul

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dangerdoc

11-30-2007 15:04:51




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 Re: Help..New to Farming in reply to Dennis A. Starliper, 11-30-2007 06:52:38  
I was about in the same boat 5 years ago. I lived on a farm as a kid but was in the military and otherwise lived in cities for 25 years. A few pearls.

1. Don't let a horse onto your property. You will only lose money and they are likely to kill you.

2. Unless you are a commercial farmer, tractors are therapy and alot of fun but. You will only lose money and they are likely to kill you.

3. I haven't done this, but I am seriously thinking about it. Put up a three wire electric fence around the perimeter and buy a heard of goats. You don't have to mow, spray for weeds or even trim the trees, they do it all for you. You might even make a buck at the end of the day and they are not likely to kill you.

Seriously though.

Make friends with your neighbors. They are a fount of information. They can tell you what is likely to kill you (I keep repeating this but rural life actually is dangerous). They also know what is likely to make a few bucks and what is likely to lose money.

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Walt Davies

11-30-2007 13:52:47




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 Re: Help..New to Farming in reply to Dennis A. Starliper, 11-30-2007 06:52:38  
I suggest watching a lot of Green Acres episodes then decide whether you really want to go into farming. Believe it or that series come real close to a new guy with no experience trying to farm. Walt



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steve from mo - dangit!

11-30-2007 13:47:45




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 Re: Help..New to Farming in reply to Dennis A. Starliper, 11-30-2007 06:52:38  
Best advice might be from a banker, if you have an agricultural lender in the area. An ag lender will usually have an ag loan officer who knows what works and doesn't work locally. Consider borrowing some money to buy equipment and/or livestock even if you don't really need it.



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RN

11-30-2007 13:19:20




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 Re: Help..New to Farming in reply to Dennis A. Starliper, 11-30-2007 06:52:38  
Where are you located? Do you have short winter-Southern Illinois, Missouri? Texas? Long winter like Minnesota? What is your water situation? what is the pasture ground- hilly, flat, some brush and trees or open grass. Pasture implies ground was grazed- by what? Fences? Livestock shelter- large barn that has space for cattle? Small low shed that might fit a dozen sheep? Do you have hay and/or grain storage? I know of a small 20 acre farm in Wisconsin that carries 50 to 90 sheep that are sheared and wool sold to spinners, about 1/2 the lambs for meat. Has a old dairy barn with large hay storage, 2 large, 3 small fenced areas for rotating graze. Pasture is hilly with trees and brush- basicly not tillable. Hay and grain purchased locally. Tractor is Oliver 88(?) that hauls hay and manure spreader, a bit of garden plowing. RN

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Jerry/MT

11-30-2007 12:59:47




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 Re: Help..New to Farming in reply to Dennis A. Starliper, 11-30-2007 06:52:38  
In my opinion, you need to sit down and draft a plan of what YOU want to do with the ground you are going to use. What would make you happy in retirement and allow you to be a good steward of the land? I raised cattle on small acreages for 21 years before my wife and I bought a small piece of wore out, irrigated land in Western Montana and developed it in to a small beef ranch. My wife always dreamed of having a big garden and canning the fruits of her labor. By the grace of God and a lot of sweat, we are doing that now. We feel we are the luckiest people on the face of the earth to be living our dream.
You could lease the 18 acre pasture out for grazing, you could buy some calves and run them on pasture to utilize the grass, or buy some long yearlings, grass fatten them and markewt them yourself as grass fed beef and sell the meat. You could raise rare breeds of farm livestock that commercial agriculture has pushed to the brink of extinction and thus help preservee that gene pool. It"ll take some investment in the livestock and corrals and can generate some income without a big investment in machinery and equipment. A small tractor to drag the pastures in the spring would be about it and you can probably hire that out cheaper than investing in the equipment and maintaining it.

It seems to me that having a pasture and then just mowing it is a waste of time and fossil fuel when that grass can be converted in to marketable protein by cattle, sheep, or goats.

As an Extension Livestock Advisor I was asked this question many times by people who bought some ground without any idea of what they were going to do with it. Nobody can answer this question but you and to answer it intelligently, you need to do some work. Do some research. The County Cooperative Extension people can be an excellent resource for information to help you in this regard.When you decide what YOU would like to do with the ground, then come back an ask for more specific advise.

Jerry/MT ex-Extension Livestock Advisor Volunteer
Washington State University Cooperative Extension

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John S-B

11-30-2007 12:10:41




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 Re: Help..New to Farming in reply to Dennis A. Starliper, 11-30-2007 06:52:38  
If you have any more questions you can just do a search on this site. You could spend several months here just reading past posts. Lots of great info from a lot of experienced people. Take your time and enjoy!



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Tradititonal Farmer

11-30-2007 11:17:35




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 Re: Help..New to Farming in reply to Dennis A. Starliper, 11-30-2007 06:52:38  
Find a SUCCESFUL farmer near you and seek advice as far as taking advice from the gov't bureaucrats down at the extension office if they know so much about farming why aren't they doing it for a living?



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gene bender

11-30-2007 10:58:09




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 Re: Help..New to Farming in reply to Dennis A. Starliper, 11-30-2007 06:52:38  
Go to your local AG office they can be a big help also local seed dealer and fert supplier as they know what works in your area soil types and the list just goes on.



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Sunspot

11-30-2007 10:13:00




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 Re: Help..New to Farming in reply to Dennis A. Starliper, 11-30-2007 06:52:38  
Try agriculture. com has some reading on it and another forum for newer tractors is tractorbynet.com I’m new to this also. I bought a 22 year old tractor, an old brushhog and just got a 2 bottom plow. Next comes a disc harrow.
Is I had a few extra $’s I would of looked for a tractor with a Front End Loader (FEL) attachment.



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Dennis A. Starliper

11-30-2007 09:59:27




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 Re: Help..New to Farming in reply to Dennis A. Starliper, 11-30-2007 06:52:38  
bigjt,Paul,JohnandCindy,jamesinok,Goose,HowardH and Animal:thank you all for your most helpful direction. I certainly did not expect such a deep and quick response. This website, the pro farmer and a rock solid dealer are the trails I'm currently sniffin'. You guys have been great. Lord knows, maybe in a few years I too can help out a 60 year old "greenacres" upstart. Best regards gentlemen...Dennis

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11-30-2007 09:51:23




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 Re: Help..New to Farming in reply to Dennis A. Starliper, 11-30-2007 06:52:38  
30 + 18 = 48. What happened to the other 10 acres?



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big jt

11-30-2007 09:30:42




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 Re: Help..New to Farming in reply to Dennis A. Starliper, 11-30-2007 06:52:38  
Howard H offered good advice in that asking your tenent. I would advise that you be careful not to become a pest. Just cultivate a friendship with him and ask his advice and take it.

I can't argue with the advice offered already. pick a local dealer that you like and looks like they may be around for a while. You don't need to buy there if they don't offer what you are looking for but I would ask there first. There may be something coming in on trade that isn't on the lot. It is worth a couple of extra dollars to be able to go in and ask advice when you need it.

jt

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paul

11-30-2007 09:23:22




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 Re: Help..New to Farming in reply to Dennis A. Starliper, 11-30-2007 06:52:38  
Someday, what do you wish to do?

Will you ever bale with a small square baler (live pto, good set of gears to choose from, 35-40 hp) or round bale (same, only 20 more hp), blow snow with a snow blower (live pto, more than 1 reverse gear for slow slow backing) or have a loader on it (power steering, heavier rear for counter balance).

Plowing, a good sturdy tractor. Tilling, you would want several _slow_ gears to choose from.

And so forth. Starting out it is hard to know what you will end up doing, but, I like to match the tractor to the jobs.

I imagine you will be bush hogging, so you want live pto anyhow. That would be tractors from the mid 1950s.

More gears, more options, tractors from the 1960s.

More safety features, less wrenching & maintaining by you, a diesel from the 1970s+.

--->Paul

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johnand cindy

11-30-2007 08:38:03




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 Re: Help..New to Farming in reply to Dennis A. Starliper, 11-30-2007 06:52:38  
Dennis,I want to wish you well in your new venture the guys on this site are Great. Iam in a simular situation on our place and heeded their advice. Wisdom is in the multitude of counsolers. There is a wealth of wisdom here. Regards, John



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jamesinok

11-30-2007 08:04:57




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 Re: Help..New to Farming in reply to Dennis A. Starliper, 11-30-2007 06:52:38  
Dennis: I would tell yopu that you would need around a 40 hp tractor. Even though you are on an older tractor user site, as a "new to farming" person and if you do not have mecanical ability to work on equipment, I would purchase fairly new equipment. I first would look for a fairly close implement dealer that handles known brand equipment. John Deere, Kubota, IH/Case, Ford/New Holland. The reason for me saying that is the ease of attaching the equipment on known brands. I would think that you would have a need for a 6ft Brush hog and a loader and probably a box blade. If you stay with known brands, it is easy to get other equipment to fit. A 35 HP John deere with Loader, ROPS, and rotary cutter on a 16 ft trailer are being advertised for $17,500 in my area. I hope this helps. James

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rrlund

11-30-2007 07:40:59




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 Re: Help..New to Farming in reply to Dennis A. Starliper, 11-30-2007 06:52:38  
Oh man! Maybe I'll be in a better mood to help you out when I dry out and warm up. At least you gave me a good laugh with that "years of fun" line. If you'd have been with me doing chores this morning,you'd be running back to where you came from so fast you'd leave skid marks. Thanks for the laugh!



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Allan In NE

11-30-2007 07:43:39




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 Re: Help..New to Farming in reply to rrlund, 11-30-2007 07:40:59  
Geeze!

You have your chores done already? I haven't even got my boots on yet. :>(

Yeah, it's snappy out there.

Allan



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Dave from MN

11-30-2007 08:23:20




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 Re: Help..New to Farming in reply to Allan In NE, 11-30-2007 07:43:39  
-14 windchill here, it warmed up since 4 am. Just came in from filling the calves water tank. They are eating about twice the hay the did two weeks ago.



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rrlund

11-30-2007 07:51:20




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 Re: Help..New to Farming in reply to Allan In NE, 11-30-2007 07:43:39  
Yea,it was snowing like a mother !@#&%$. I got soaked from a water line,wind's blowing like ^*(% for the 8th day in a row. Five late born calves that I needed to get weaned yet were in just the right place to get them off the cow and in to the pen,so I didn't wanna loose 'em. Got them moved while I was still soaked to the shorts. I've still gotta find some dry coveralls and go back out to finish up a few things,but everything has feed anyway. Some days you just want to say to h#ll with it awful early though.

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730virgil

11-30-2007 17:54:19




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 Re: Help..New to Farming in reply to rrlund, 11-30-2007 07:51:20  
we are to get rain snow ice sleet starting tomorrow morning lets see did i miss anything? ain't going to be fun feeding the cows then. you have to be nuts and love what you are doing to put up with some of what you get on a farm. i have 30 acres and 16 head of highland cattle i would like more.



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Goose

11-30-2007 07:19:39




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 Re: Help..New to Farming in reply to Dennis A. Starliper, 11-30-2007 06:52:38  
Most counties in an agricultural community have a County Agricultural Extenstion Agent. If your county has one, that would be a good resource for advice as he/she would be familiar with your local conditions, what might work and what might not, etc.

That would be a good place to start.



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Dennis A. Starliper

11-30-2007 07:38:42




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 Re: Help..New to Farming in reply to Goose, 11-30-2007 07:19:39  
Thanx much.....I'll be sure to check them out....



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Howard H.

11-30-2007 07:59:04




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 Re: Help..New to Farming in reply to Dennis A. Starliper, 11-30-2007 07:38:42  

The pro farmer you are leasing to probably also would be full of good advice... He might even know of an old tractor around somewhere that would be a good "gentleman's" tractor for what you need.

Beyond that, 20 different farmers are liable to give 20 different opinions on what equipment is best.

There is a lot to farm safety to learn - but the best and foremost thing is good common sense.

Howard

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11-30-2007 07:57:19




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 Re: Help..New to Farming in reply to Dennis A. Starliper, 11-30-2007 07:38:42  
Dennis, It has been my experience that you have already started in the right place, this website. I have found that the knowledge I have found on these forums to be priceless! good luck to you on your new venture, it is a wonderful life.



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