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IaGary

11-10-2007 14:26:45

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Hook on to one of these subsoilers

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Clint Youse MO

11-11-2007 10:43:50

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Re: Wanna hook onto something that pulls hard? in reply to IaGary, 11-10-2007 14:26:45

A v pulls a lot easier than a straight bar I have pulled both in same type of ground

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IaGary

11-11-2007 17:01:57

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Re: Wanna hook onto something that pulls hard? in reply to Clint Youse MO, 11-11-2007 10:43:50

Your right about the easier pull but a v will not shatter the ground as much as an inline.

With the shanks side by side they tend to lift all the soil not just where the shank is.

Gary

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jwal10

11-10-2007 22:09:17

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Re: Wanna hook onto something that pulls hard? in reply to IaGary, 11-10-2007 14:26:45

I pulled a 9 shank JD V subsoiler that I dropped to 7 shanks behind a 4640 FWA JD in 4th gear. It had depth wheels and I pulled it 16" deep. The 4640 had the 500 lb center hubs, 3 sets of weights, full front rack,all tires loaded and a 60 gal front fuel tank. I think the v rippers pull easier....James

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davpal

11-10-2007 21:31:34

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Re: Wanna hook onto something that pulls hard? in reply to IaGary, 11-10-2007 14:26:45

Hello Gary, dont you have a 4-150 White? Just wondering if you have it and if it would be capable of pulling that 5 shank subsoiler? I have a 4-150 and have been wondering about what size it would work with if I rented one or bought one. Thanks.

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John A.

11-10-2007 21:06:46

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Re: Wanna hook onto something that pulls hard? in reply to IaGary, 11-10-2007 14:26:45

Gary, Back when I was still in the panhandles. We would rip the middles on corn ground just before it got too tall to get through it for the last time.
Used an Orthman ripper, pulled it with a 2WD JD 4840 with straddle row duals. We sank it about 18 in deep. Could loose a 16 in Cresent wrench, when I would check depth. The duals were all the difference in pulling it 8 to 10 in deep and 16 in deep. But that ripper could still set that tractor on its butt when we tried to go deeper
At least the water didn't run out of the field after the Center-pivots went around. even late in the irrigation season. Later,
John A.

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Clint Youse MO

11-10-2007 20:19:26

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Re: Wanna hook onto something that pulls hard? in reply to IaGary, 11-10-2007 14:26:45

It depends on your sol we used to help a neighbor pulled a 5 shank with 1586 IH loaded with weight pull rippper about 18" and pack the front wheels of the tractor both ways there John Deere FWA at that time 200+ wouldnot pull it spun out the old 15 would carry it about 3 to 3.5 mph but it had a little fuel air modification pushing 265 on the dyno

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Mitch S in Baraboo

11-10-2007 19:26:22

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Re: Wanna hook onto something that pulls hard? in reply to IaGary, 11-10-2007 14:26:45

It doesnt seem as though that there is a certain depth to pull an inline ripper, or sub-soiler. The way I was taught, was to set it so the ground fractures when you pull it along. Disturbing the soil very lightly barely at all. In most cases you dont have to do it every year. Every other or every three years seems to be a good rotation with row crops! When you do pull it you want to make sure you are going at least 3 MPH, so you can get a good vibration and break the compaction.

I will say that two years in a row our best yielding fields were hit with the Inline ripper. Which is a John Deere 2100 and does a fantastic job! We pull it with the 8520 and it makes it work, so if your pulling a 5 shank with anything less than 200 HP and it isnt 4wd, the ripper probably isnt doing a good job.

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Spook

11-10-2007 18:45:27

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Re: Wanna hook onto something that pulls hard? in reply to IaGary, 11-10-2007 14:26:45

How do you know when to use a subsoiler? How do you quantify the need and the results? I know you guys do a lot to avoid compaction, is there still a lot of problem with compaction?

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Dairy farmer in WI

11-10-2007 18:31:36

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Re: Wanna hook onto something that pulls hard? in reply to IaGary, 11-10-2007 14:26:45

what are you pulling that with? i got a 3 shank that i tug behind the 4455 pulls fine i guess but i would like to have a 4 or 5 shank soiler. i got the tractors to. DF in WI

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Cliff Neubauer

11-10-2007 18:11:28

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Re: Wanna hook onto something that pulls hard? in reply to IaGary, 11-10-2007 14:26:45

We've got a five shank DMI 2500 with the no-till points and it's all our MX-240 wants at 13" deep. You wouldn't think it would but it pulls alot harder than our neighbor's DMI 530B ripper with 10" points at the same depth.

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Midwest redneck

11-10-2007 17:31:37

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Re: Wanna hook onto something that pulls hard? in reply to IaGary, 11-10-2007 14:26:45

How many HP is that tractor? Is it a Case IH.?

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IaGary

11-10-2007 20:38:59

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Re: Wanna hook onto something that pulls hard? in reply to Midwest redneck, 11-10-2007 17:31:37

I use this tractor on it.

I try to pull it 12 to 15 inches deep.

I move along at about 5 mile an hour.

You can sure tell if the field has been done in the past with a subsoiler.

I'm at about 180 hp.

Gary

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phillip d

11-10-2007 16:02:35

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Re: Wanna hook onto something that pulls hard? in reply to IaGary, 11-10-2007 14:26:45

I see them around here in the fall everywhere.Most of them are hooked onto 200-250 hp 4wd's when you see them on the go.pd

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Bus Driver

11-10-2007 15:47:22

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Re: Wanna hook onto something that pulls hard? in reply to IaGary, 11-10-2007 14:26:45

Very impressive implement. Upland NC red clay is one of the most difficult soils to subsoil. I doubt it would do as well here as in the pictures.

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the tractor vet

11-10-2007 15:00:45

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Re: Wanna hook onto something that pulls hard? in reply to IaGary, 11-10-2007 14:26:45

Back a few years one of my friends was the local block man for DMI and brought in a five shank disc ripper and had them TIGER points had it hooked behind a 3788 . Found out that he did not have enough SMOKE not enough weight to put them points into this soil at 16 inches . He came up to the shop and we added all the Iron we had to the tractor and i opened up the pump and built a fire in that 466 . It did fine in the corn ground BUT when we tryed rippen up and old hay field the tractor had the smoke but not the weight and it just stopped dead in her tracks and was bouncen three feet off the ground . Now try and get your foot on the clutch when you are being throwen all over the inside of the cab.

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IaGary

11-10-2007 15:10:44

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Re: Wanna hook onto something that pulls hard? in reply to the tractor vet, 11-10-2007 15:00:45

Yep been there on that hopping thing.

If you don't have your draft control set it can bring you to a stop when you hit areal hard spot.

You can just about see the fuel gauge moving down also.

Gary

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Animal

11-10-2007 16:12:06

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Re: Wanna hook onto something that pulls hard? in reply to IaGary, 11-10-2007 15:10:44

Gary, How deep are you going, and do you no till after using the sub soiler?

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joe-etx

11-10-2007 18:27:49

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Re: Wanna hook onto something that pulls hard? in reply to Animal, 11-10-2007 16:12:06

gary i pull a hayking sub soiler every year over my hay fields every spring,helps growth and fertilizer in roots.7 shanks with colters in front 19 inches deep with my 6710 ford.from your second pic i think you should adj. your upper link and you would not have so much drag and not dig up so much dirt you should only see a line were the shanks went.
joe

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IaGary

11-10-2007 20:49:02

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Re: Wanna hook onto something that pulls hard? in reply to joe-etx, 11-10-2007 18:27:49

Isn't a 6710 about 150 hp.

If so you would never pull a 7 shank here.

The reason for all the dirt on top is because of the ground is like a rock from the heavy rains this summer and fall.

The frame is level when in the ground just like it is suppose to be.

In sandy soil it does not tear up the surface like it is here. It pulls much easier in sand also.

Gary

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135 Fan

11-10-2007 21:01:25

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Re: Wanna hook onto something that pulls hard? in reply to IaGary, 11-10-2007 20:49:02

Angle of the shanks in the ground can make a big difference in how the ground breaks up as well as pulling power needed. Cat has info on setting up rippers and different types. It might help to see if they could give you some insight. From what I remember, if the tips of the teeth are further forward you get more breaking up of the soil. Not sure if this will help with a sub soiler but rippers are much more common on Cats and lots of experience has been gained to know what works the best. Dave

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mark

11-10-2007 19:53:56

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Re: Wanna hook onto something that pulls hard? in reply to joe-etx, 11-10-2007 18:27:49

You fellers with those big HP rigs amaze me.

I have a 60 horse 4 wd Deere and it has it's hands full with a single shank subsoiler! It will go about 16"-18" in this yellow clay and what is amazing..is the soil will hove up about 4 inches for 2 feet on either side of the trench. I also have a 5" 'mole ball' trailing the shank. I don't know what is happening down in the earth...but it sure makes it move. Water penetration is greatly improved and I am sure the roots are better able to grow downward as well. As hard as my subsoiler pulls..... I am surprised you can yank 5 shanks with anything short of a D9....LOL!

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