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#1 diesel nearly impossible to find! Your favorite additive?

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Steven f/AZ

11-08-2007 19:02:34




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Just came home to the family farm (SW North Dakota) for a visit and find Dad on the phone looking for Number 1 diesel fuel since it is getting colder... "not available" "tough to come by" "refineries are not making it" are some of the responses.

Finally found a supplier that could get him 300 gallons to get by for now at $3.45 per gallon.

What is your favorite additive for diesel fuel for winter use? What could a person do in an emergency if no #1 diesel was available?

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Wilsonfire

11-09-2007 17:18:00




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 Re: #1 diesel nearly impossible to find! Your favorite addit in reply to Steven f/AZ, 11-08-2007 19:02:34  
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Stanadyne Performance Formula diesel fuel additive. It's formulated for ultra low sulfur fuel, prevents gelling, provides year-round protection, cleans and lubricates, increases cetane (POWER), reduces fuel consumption, reduces smoke,helps remove water, and probably best of all, is approved by manufacturers for all injection systems.Downside - is only compatable with up to 5% biodiesel. Sorry if that sounded like a commercial, I was reading the bottle. Guys I've used this stuff and it seems to be everything it claims to be and is affordable too.

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Leland

11-09-2007 17:09:20




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 Re: #1 diesel nearly impossible to find! Your favorite addit in reply to Steven f/AZ, 11-08-2007 19:02:34  
polar power with z4 best stuff on the market



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pa dave

11-09-2007 17:05:31




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 Re: #1 diesel nearly impossible to find! Your favorite addit in reply to Steven f/AZ, 11-08-2007 19:02:34  
here (central pa) our dealer mixes 20% kero with #1 diesel to make our winter fuel, never had any problems, have ran our tractors at -20 below.



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T_Bone

11-09-2007 14:54:10




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 Re: #1 diesel nearly impossible to find! Your favorite addit in reply to Steven f/AZ, 11-08-2007 19:02:34  
Hi Steven,

The simplest method of testing for your use, is to mix small test batchs, ie; test vials, pint jars with tight lids, etc;, then mix the ratio wanted/stated and throw the test vial in the freezer over night.

You will quickly see the results. If the fluid is liquid at freezer temps then you have accomplished your goal! You will also see what seperates and what doesn't. I've expelled alot of myths using this method. Alot of products don't do what they claim on the label.

Another method is letting the test vial set outside over night. Do not set test vials in snow/ice as snow/ice is a insulator lower than 32ºf. You can quickly lower a substance temps, maximum 32ºf, by putting the test in a crushed ice/water bath.

Try several mixes (label them) at the same time as then you can see what strengths works for your area.

Alot of the additives are very dangerous to humans and pets, so use extreame caution while handling them, as in using chemical rated gloves.

T_Bone

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Hugh MacKay

11-09-2007 02:56:18




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 Re: #1 diesel nearly impossible to find! Your favorite addit in reply to Steven f/AZ, 11-08-2007 19:02:34  
Steven: We don't hunt rabbits with an a asualt rifle.

This subject come up every fall, and the additive folks must love a percentage of the population. Gasoline or kero are fine as long as the vehicle is on the move everyday, otherwise it will separate. That is precisely how they distill the various products, separation in the tower.

When it comes down to additives off the shelf, only one fluid in that product prevents gelling, methyl hydrate, and methyl hydrate evaporates in any fuel tank within two weeks. I've run trucks and forestry equipment and we regularly dealt with -10F to -35F. A cup of methyl hydrate to every 50 gallon fillup will stop gelling and it will stay mixed. If the diesel is parked more than two weeks you may as well add another cup and add it 10 min before start up. The methyl hydrate wil not have evaporated from the pump, lines and filter of your engine. Problem always occurs once the diesel sucks in fresh fuel from the tank. Why buy expensive conditioners, and why buy the methyl hydrate from auto parts supply houses. Drug stores generally sell it by the gallon at about 25% of the price of auto parts stores. Some druggists tend to get a bit hairy if they see non medical folks buying too much methyl hydrate. I bought it from an old druggist friend for years, after his son took over the family business, he stopped me one day wondering what a farmer was doing with 2 gallons of methyl hydrate. Dad soon straightened that young lad out.

To give you some idea how quick methyl hydrate works. I've seen Farmall gassers with solid ice in the sediment bowl. Half cup and ten minutes later the ice is liquid. I carry a bottle of it in every vehicle. It is also the additive that stops windshield washer from freezing, and it evaporates in there big time. If I notice my washers freezing, not clearing slush well, etc. in goes a 1/4 cup of methyl hydrate. If your late and in a hurry, car or pickup frosted up, spill a 1/2 cup over the windows, it's same product used to deice planes. Lock frozen, stick your key in the bottle of MH. I used to carry a hypodermic shringe, for putting MH in truck air brake lines, until American Customs agents took exception to the shringe. I've only covered a few of the uses I've found for methyl hydrate. Now you tell me what other product you can tuck behind your seat that will have so many uses.

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Lee in Iowa

11-08-2007 21:09:11




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 Re: #1 diesel nearly impossible to find! Your favorite addit in reply to Steven f/AZ, 11-08-2007 19:02:34  
I can run #2 with power service all winter in an 856 with a heat houser on it. But a 1486 with the same fuel plus power service 911 will gel up. I don't know if it's because the rear tank on the 14 doesn't get the heat off the motor like the 8 does or what it is but there's definitely a difference. A friend's new dodge gels with winter blend, computer controlled is worse than the old ones because it shuts the motor down as soon as it senses low fuel pressure. I still try to get at least 75% #1 before it gets too cold, haven't checked on availability yet. Lee

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Michael Soldan

11-08-2007 20:41:53




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 Re: #1 diesel nearly impossible to find! Your favorite addit in reply to Steven f/AZ, 11-08-2007 19:02:34  
Hey Steven..I read all the reponses and tend to agree with each persons solution. Kerosene or stove oil is added to diesel here for the winter. Remember Volkswagon suggests 10% gasoline in a tank of diesel will prevent it from gelling. A neighbour of mine who used to run a rig into northern Ontario in the winter time used the same formula..10% gasoline in his diesel tanks and my tank has never gelled for the same reason and we get to -30*Celcius at times. I think when they cut diesel with kero or stove oil its about the same..10%. In winter I hand mix my fuel,I put a quart of oil in a five gallon pail and fill with diesel and add some diesel conditioner/deicer, you can use ATF instead of oil as it is good at removing moisture. This lubes the pump, de ices and give the fuel more potential energy. Good luck, fuel prices are getting crazy.

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Mark - IN.

11-09-2007 01:13:23




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 Re: #1 diesel nearly impossible to find! Your favorite addit in reply to Michael Soldan, 11-08-2007 20:41:53  
Thats odd, especially coming out of Germany (Volkswagon) to mix gasoline in diesel, and I wouldn't try it. Was stationed in Germany and out in a GP medium tent on some hill with 20 other guys in the dead of winter and deep snow. Our Army manuals clearly said never mix gasoline with diesel for our pot bellied diesel fired heaters/funaces, use denatured alcohol. We had no denatured alcohol and the diesel was gelling up, the burners weren't firing, that tent was a freezer. We mixed gasoline with the diesel and thinned it out, got the burners to fire, warmed it up like home sweet home. Cool!!! NOT COOL AT ALL!!! The gasoline and diesel eventually seperated, the diesel being heavier went down to the bottom of the drum to burn first, which meant guys were adjusting the burner to allow the thicker diesel through the jets without thinking about what was happening, and still home sweet home heat in the tent. We all called it a night in our sleeping bags on our tents and fell asleep. We were all awakened by the huge WOOOOOSH of the thinner gasoline spraying out the jets into the burners once the diesel had all passed through them, overflowed the burner pot and burned that tent and all of our stuff to the ground. The Battalion Commander was so mad at us that he made us sleep in our communications shelters, running 5 tons, and jeeps for days before letting us pull out. His point was if had used denatured alcohol like we used in diesel fired trucks, generators, etc. never would've seperated like that, even though we didn't have any. The German government not only made us clean up the ashes, they made us dig up the dirt around the whole area, put it in bags and ship it off to be cleaned. Never went out again without making the supply sargent scrounge us up denatured alcohol, and never had that problem again.

I'm not thinking that mixing gasoline with diesel's to thin it is a good idea, from experience. I use either Howes or Power Service year around in my trucks and tractors.

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Bus Driver

11-09-2007 05:52:44




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 Re: #1 diesel nearly impossible to find! Your favorite addit in reply to Mark - IN., 11-09-2007 01:13:23  
Heaters and engines are entirely different. I do agree that no gasoline should be in the fuel for a heater that burns Diesel.



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notadeere

11-08-2007 20:21:31




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 Re: #1 diesel nearly impossible to find! Your favorite addit in reply to Steven f/AZ, 11-08-2007 19:02:34  
i used to use one gallon of gas in my fuel to every 10-15 gals diesel & never had a problem now days i dont even use that as i updated to that duramax a few yrs back & it has a tank heater so never add anything never had problem but im guessing your all big farmers & run tractors so ya gotta do something



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Armand Tatro

11-08-2007 19:45:46




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 Re: #1 diesel nearly impossible to find! Your favorite addit in reply to Steven f/AZ, 11-08-2007 19:02:34  
If one jug of power-serve is good two is better. Also they make a product called 911 that is fantastic for gelled fuel. If in doubt about fuel check tank before starting and add power-serve or 911 before starting. May also have to change fuel filters and fill them with fuel mixed with 911 before installing. Armand



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RodInNS

11-08-2007 19:33:20




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 Re: #1 diesel nearly impossible to find! Your favorite addit in reply to Steven f/AZ, 11-08-2007 19:02:34  
Around here they have discontinued #1 fuel oil altogether. IT's been replaced by 'furnace lite' which is simply #2 that's been cut with kero.
Our diesel is now 100 % ULSD. Dunno how they blend that for winter use, but it's ready to go when we buy it. I don't put anything in the fuel other than a little Howes when I think of it. I doubt that moves the gel point much, if at all...

Rod



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Bob

11-08-2007 19:27:17




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 Re: #1 diesel nearly impossible to find! Your favorite addit in reply to Steven f/AZ, 11-08-2007 19:02:34  
GOSH, I HOPE we don't need to worry TOO much about gelling fuel for at least another MONTH!

I, too have had pretty good luck with Power Service, but there DOES come a point where #1 is a NECESSITY up here.



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Jay (ND)

11-08-2007 20:23:39




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 Re: #1 diesel nearly impossible to find! Your favorite addit in reply to Bob, 11-08-2007 19:27:17  
Minneapolis is the closest #1 right now. Ouch.



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sd pete

11-08-2007 19:14:40




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 Re: #1 diesel nearly impossible to find! Your favorite addit in reply to Steven f/AZ, 11-08-2007 19:02:34  
I have had good luck with power service. But I don't remember how low of a temp it will protect against. Would adding some kerosene be a viable alternative? Its spendy i know.



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Caseman 2

11-08-2007 19:13:28




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 Re: #1 diesel nearly impossible to find! Your favorite addit in reply to Steven f/AZ, 11-08-2007 19:02:34  
Kerosene add some kero. and make your own #1 you can run your own pour test by putting a sample in the deep freeze and see at what temp that it jells up. Add enough Kero to keep it from jelling and add the same proportion to your diesel tank.



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