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Bill from Scotl

10-20-2007 17:01:34




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Hi Guys
What do you think about Scottish people immigrating to Canada? Are they welcome? How easy would it be to get land to build a home with a few acres? Where would be the best area to go? My wife and I have been visiting each summer for the past 3 or 4 years and just love the country and the people. Do you guys think it is a good life?
Bill




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Davidj

10-23-2007 20:31:47




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 Re: Scottish immigrants to Canada in reply to Bill from Scotland, 10-20-2007 17:01:34  
About 40 percent of Canadians have some Scottish ancestery. My background is a hundred percent Scottish. We've been here around 200 years in the easternmost county in Ontario, known as Glengarry. Lots of Highland traditions still going here (the Pipes, Fiddle, Highland Games, Highland Dancing, and most importantly, a good supply of firewater) Here's how some of us kill time. Link
All the best wherever you go. Canada needs folks like yourselves. David

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Bret4207

10-21-2007 17:39:49




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 Re: Scottish immigrants to Canada in reply to Bill from Scotland, 10-20-2007 17:01:34  
Half my family (Campbell)staggered out of Nova Scotia, the other half (La Pointe du Audet)staggered out of Quebec. They all wound up in Northern New York and rumor has it they ran out of booze there and had to put down roots!

Good luck to you. Canadians are wonderful folks on the whole, even the Froggies.



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Bill from Scotland

10-21-2007 14:37:03




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 Re: Scottish immigrants to Canada in reply to Bill from Scotland, 10-20-2007 17:01:34  
Hi Guys
Thanks for all the replies. My great gradfather and his brother emegrated to Banff Alberta around 1918 the brothers branch of the family still live in the town. My great gradfather stayed a couple of years in Banff before going back to Scotland to collect his sweetheart. When he got back home to collect her she had changed her mind about moving to Canada and therefore they stayed here the rest of their life. When I was a boy I used to listen to his adventures and I think this attracted me to Canada. It took me 27 years of married life to convince my wife to even visit Canada and yes it is everything I hoped it would be. I need to keep working on her to get her to agree to going there to live. I would like to maybe visit for 6 months to see what she thinks first. How difficult is it to hire accomodation? What money would it take to purchase someting like a three bedroom house with a few acres?
BILL

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Kanuck

10-21-2007 20:38:18




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 Re: Scottish immigrants to Canada in reply to Bill from Scotland, 10-21-2007 14:37:03  
Acreage with 3 bedroom house in my area start around $500,000 or so. Im in Cochrane Alberta area about 45 minutes to Banff and about 30 minutes to Calgary. Getting to be more millionares by the minute around here.. lol



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farmer boy

10-21-2007 08:42:34




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 Re: Scottish immigrants to Canada in reply to Bill from Scotland, 10-20-2007 17:01:34  
If you have enough money you can move anywhere in Canada. Ontario is pretty good but there is the odd grouch neighbour. I agree about Quebec. Not the best place to move. I never knew that Bruce had so many Scottish. Half of Bruce is owned by by Amish and Mennonites and more are coming.Land around Kincardine is cheaper and Tara and area is even cheaper.Sask is really cheap although sparsly populated. Getting land to build a home is no problem here.

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jdemaris

10-21-2007 07:41:35




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 Scots in New Scotland and farmers as slaves in reply to Bill from Scotland, 10-20-2007 17:01:34  
My very distant grandparents - the Pitres and Boudreaus - were held as farmer-slaves by the Scots in Port Royal, Nova Scotia (New Scotland) a very long time ago. Interesting story I've pasted at the bottom of this.

I've seen some incredibly cheap land in the Nova Scotia area recently - at least as compared to rural New York state land. I've been temped to buy some - but I have no interest in being a Canadian, or an out-of-country land owner. Check out Dignam Land (dignam dot com ) Company and look at the some of large parcels or Canadian land.

Interesting note in regard to French Canadians and the Scottish in Port Royal, Acadia, New Scotland. Many French Canadians were held as prisoners and slaves - and forced to farm and produce food for the Scots in "New Scotland."
This includes part of my family. My very distant grandmother is a hero (heroin?) in French Canadian history books because she stood up to the Scots - and led a bunch of Kanucks out of New Scotland and into Nicolet, Québec and Mount Royal (Montréal). Nicolet is known to be the one place French Canadians who fled New Scotland, felt safe in Canada. From what I've read, many other French Canadians at that time regarded the captive French Canadians in New Scotland as traitors - since many fed the Scots and did not stand up to them. For that reason, many - after fleeing - did not feel welcome in Canada - and many wound up in New Orleans as "Cajuns" - derived from "Acadiens." Here's a bit of history on my many-gs-grandmother, Cécile Boudreau. It is from the dictionary for French-Canadian Biography:

Having escaped the massive and cruel deportation of 1755, Cécile Boudreau, her husband, and her children joined about
200 Acadian families who scattered into the woods bordering the
Memramcook Shepody, and Petitcodiac rivers (N.B.). Fortunately these
families were able to count on the aid of missionary FrançoisLe Guerne*
and of Charles Deschamps* de Boishébert, a captain in the colonial
regular troops. The two men worked together to ensure the survival of
the Acadians, provied for their sustenance, and to organize their
resistance to the British. Forseeing the second phase of the expulsion, which would be carried
out in 1758, many of the families, including
Cécile Boudreau's, moved up the coast to Miramichi in 1757. They were
exhausted, and suffered from starvation as a result of poor crops and
from epidemics. Several of them then resigned themselves to following
Boishébert's troops, which had been recalled to Québec for the winter of
1757-58. The situation at Québec seemed little brighter. There was a dearth
of suppliess and a severe famine. The Acadians had to make do with cod
and rotten meat. According to the testimony of several persons, these
poor living conditions brought about the death of a number of Acadians. On 9 June 1758, amid the general gloom and inactivity, Cécile Boudreau
had to bury her husband, who had fallen victim to the smallpox epidemic
raging at the time. A month earlier she had done the same for her son
Jean, barely eight years of age, and four days after her husband's
interment she buried one of her daughters. It was for such reasons that the Acadian refugeess then sought to
flee Québec. Some joined Le Guerne, who had become parish priest of
Saint-François, on île d'Orléans. Others settled in the Beauce or in
the regions of Saint-Joachim and Bellechasse. In 1758 a large number
went to Saint-Grégoire(Bécancour); others, including Cécile Boudreau's
family, chose Nicolet. This locality, which their missionaries and the
Abenakis had drawn to their attention, turned out to be a good place for
a settlement. It was situatied near the St. Lawrence, which gave access
to the gulf and to Acadia, where everyone hoped to live once again. The
region offered an abundance of woods and lakes that enabled them to
ensure their subsistence; moreover it was remote and tranquility was
easily found. When along with other Pitres and Boudreaus, Orillon-Champagnes,
Gauders, Laurts, Melancons, Bastaraches, Commeaus, and
Rouisse-Languedocs, Cécile Boudreau arrived in this new setting to find
fresh hope and take root, she still had five children with her, one of
them, François, would receive a commission later as captain in the
militia. She married Pierre Pellerin in 1762 and was widowed 30 years
later. She apparently reached the age of 97, still strong, lucid, and
courageous. An unfortunate fall then forced her to take to her bed. After 18 days during which she was willing to drink "only a little water
and two shots of rum," she died. A long way from Nicolet, the QUEBEC GAZETTE, a major paper of the
province, printed a paragraph about this strong and incomparable woman
which formed a longer and better tribute than any cold tombstone ccould
offer. It told of the circumstances of her death and concluded: "this
venerable Acadian constantly retained all her mental faculties with
remarkable freshness and good health until the accident which brought
her to the grave."

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Hugh MacKay

10-21-2007 03:11:53




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 Re: Scottish immigrants to Canada in reply to Bill from Scotland, 10-20-2007 17:01:34  
Bill: Aye me lad, my ancestors made that move roughly 150 years ago. Alexander MacKay, my great grand father and 4 of his brothers landed in Halifax, Nova Scotia. Alex and one brother stayed in Nova Scotia, one came to Ontario, one went to Manitoba and the 5 th guy went to Oregon USA. The guys that stayed in Nova Scotia and the guy in Manitoba have been the most prolific, just hundreds of descendants. There are no known descendants of the brothers who went to Ontario or Oregon.

Real estate prices will be the most favourable in the Maritimes, folks will be quite friendly, we think polution is min., however the air flow across North America is west to east, goods trucked in are costly and the winters are something not found very desirable by most Europeans. In fact, I was born there, and will not move back because of those winters.

I have to agree with most of the rest on Quebec. Don't get me wrong, over the years I've met some very fine people in Quebec. However they have a bunch of intelectuals running their government. I guess that is true of most governments but these birds go one step further.

Ontario real estate is out to lunch, these guys have to be the king of finance. Only place I know of where folks can handle a 1/2 million dollar mortgage, lease two cars, and $35,000 credit card debt, making less than $100,000. per year. Most and even the Scots and Dutch must have lost their heritage, not only do they try to keep up with affluent neighbors, but boast of paying more for that big ticket item. Ah but me laddie, their winters are gentle, at least down here in the deep south west. Glen forgot one minor item, Scots across Canada are right into sliding chamber pots down the ice, bumping them into one another.

If you go west, real estate will level out again, winters will be quite severe. Polution used to be quite low, however I expect that has gone down the drain. On the west coast winters will be quite gentle.

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TomH in PA

10-21-2007 06:22:46




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 Re: Scottish immigrants to Canada in reply to Hugh MacKay, 10-21-2007 03:11:53  
My sister and her husband lived in Wolfville, Nova Scotia for a few years. The first time my parents went out to visit, my father decided he wanted to make a side trip to Newfoundland. Everyone told him not to bother, nothing there but wind and cold. But he went anyway. Afterwards he admitted that they were right.



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Hugh MacKay

10-21-2007 07:09:00




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 Re: Scottish immigrants to Canada in reply to TomH in PA, 10-21-2007 06:22:46  
Tom: Ah, but the Newfoundlanders have a sence off humor and a warm friendly attitude that more than makes up for the cold and wind. They have a drinking song, first line goes like this, "For the second time since we've been here it's getting dark again". Were else but in Newfoundland can you find parties like that.

And talk about loyal folk, in the past year Tory Newfoundland premier Dan Williams, basically told the Federal Torys to go pound sand, and what did it gain him? In a recent Provincial election he won all but 4 of the Provinces 50 odd seats. Feds cant even come close to that in Newfoundland. Dan's on a roll, he has oil offshore, and no Upper Canadian is going to tell him where to go. Why wouldn't Dan act like this, afterall the Feds gave his fish to the Asians and Euorpeans 25 years ago. Newfoundlanders had their Federal fish quotas cut every year, yet the Feds refused to enforce the 200 mile limit.

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buickanddeere

10-21-2007 00:04:09




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 Re: Scottish immigrants to Canada in reply to Bill from Scotland, 10-20-2007 17:01:34  
The days of being given 50 acres by the government in the Colonies to be cleared and homesteaded. Pretty much had come to an end by the 1920's in Ontario Canada. You should have purchased some or all of the farm beside me. Neighbor sold it to the Amish, never asked me if I wanted to purchase some of it. Bruce County in Ontario has a large Scottish population. Natural blonds and red heads make up at least 1/4 of the population. Conversations are in some sort of english and I can only understand a few words here and there. They hold a festival and games in Kincardine every year. Men dress up in skirts then carry around some sort of a wailing octopus they blow into. Then they pickup utility poles and throw them.Afterwards they take sticks and attempt whacking small white spheres in 18 holes scattered across a pasture field.

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Davis In SC

10-20-2007 21:37:29




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 Re: Scottish immigrants to Canada in reply to Bill from Scotland, 10-20-2007 17:01:34  
Any good folks that can speak English are welcome in South Carolina, USA... A huge portion of our population, now jabbers in Spanish..

On the Outer Banks of NC, many of the locals still speak with a very British accent.. Nice folks there.. I have enjoyed visiting...



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DAN9-Midwest

10-20-2007 20:34:44




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 Re: Scottish immigrants to Canada in reply to Bill from Scotland, 10-20-2007 17:01:34  
Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island would be a natural fit and you would find many of those who came before you. In places you wouldn't even have to lose your accent and would almost be viewed as a local .

Stay out of Quebec Province.



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Davis In SC

10-20-2007 21:43:22




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 Re: Scottish immigrants to Canada in reply to DAN9-Midwest, 10-20-2007 20:34:44  
Just wondering, are the land prices I see for NS land, in the Mother Earth News, legit ?

My Brother & I have discussed looking into some land in NS. as a place to go retire at..



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RodInNS

10-21-2007 20:36:22




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 Re: Scottish immigrants to Canada in reply to Davis In SC, 10-20-2007 21:43:22  
What kind of prices are you seeing, where in NS, and for what?
Prices have generally been on the rise here lately, but there is still some cheap land around..... That said, there's an old farm for sale about 5 miles down the road here with quite a bit of waterfrontage and 3 acres. I think he wants just shy of a mil... but that's not the norm, and he's been sitting on it for some time.

Rod



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Kanuck

10-20-2007 18:23:17




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 Re: Scottish immigrants to Canada in reply to Bill from Scotland, 10-20-2007 17:01:34  
Southern Alberta has lots going for it, lots of open space, plenty of jobs available at present and close to the mountains. Winters can be cold, but it seems we get timely chinooks to warm things up a lttle at times. Land can be a little pricey around the bigger cities just as everywhere else I suppose. Good luck with your search, we would love to have ya! Have a good one eh?



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LenND

10-20-2007 18:22:27




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 Re: Scottish immigrants to Canada in reply to Bill from Scotland, 10-20-2007 17:01:34  
Come to Canada and you won't find a nicer people. I live about 60 miles from the Canadian border and we have a lot of them down here visiting and shopping on their holidays.



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loko

10-20-2007 17:09:47




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 Re: Scottish immigrants to Canada in reply to Bill from Scotland, 10-20-2007 17:01:34  
Hi Bill,
Well if they don't want you in Canada, you will be welcome in the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia in the good old USA!!!



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Vito

10-20-2007 17:09:20




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 Re: Scottish immigrants to Canada in reply to Bill from Scotland, 10-20-2007 17:01:34  
Canada, if you stay out of Quebec province , is a well integrated country with small pockets of prejuidce.I have vacationed there and enjoyed myself.The local's complain about high tax rates.
Proably farhther west is better for land value.
My thought's only.
Vito



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495man

10-21-2007 04:59:29




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 Re: Scottish immigrants to Canada in reply to Vito, 10-20-2007 17:09:20  
Nova Scotia means "New Scotland" , so it has a strong Scottish Heritage anyways, lots of "highland" and "clan" activities especially in Cape Breton and the North Shore area. I live in NS and I think it's a great place.



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KRUSS1

10-21-2007 08:17:46




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 Re: Scottish immigrants to Canada in reply to 495man, 10-21-2007 04:59:29  
You could easily do what you speak of in Manitoba. Many others have. Every community has some recent Scots plus every community has some not so recent Scots. The downside as mentioned is about 3 months of winter colder than you can imagine. That's when you go to Arizona.



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mark

10-21-2007 10:39:29




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 Re: Scottish immigrants to Canada in reply to KRUSS1, 10-21-2007 08:17:46  
I think you need to come to Kentucky, USA!

90% of our heritage is Scotch-Irish, we're still clannish and the hills will remind you of 'ome!

My forefather's were MacFarrens and Harris' and Cochrane's and Hamm's and Savage's....and few other's thrown in for good measure. Taxes are down right cheap compared to elsewhere, the winter's are mild, folk's about as friendly as anywhere on Earth, we make the best whiskey, hate the King (hehe) and love our Country. Hunting and fishing are great, land reasonable and available. There's plenty of golf courses too! The down side is we don't wear kilts or have many sheep! My people landed in Virginia circa 1680.

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