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havvey

09-21-2007 10:20:41




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If they do move close to here? What can we excpect on the wagons? (I can see potential for big trouble) Don't know what state law is on it either. What has happened in your area especially if they just show up?




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Bob Kerr

09-24-2007 07:42:32




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 Re: The amish wagons your area in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 10:20:41  
A while back in Montgomery, In there was a good size tornado that went through the Mennonite/ Amish area. It did a lot of damage to homes and several businesses in the area. I was totally impressed about how little "whining" was done. They just thanked the lord for the day and started cleaning up and rebuilding. I was told that when Fema showed up there was really nothing for him to do, but he did stay just incase. I was also told a story about a young Amish couple who was planning a wedding the following week and the twister leveled the farm where it was to be with the soon to be bride in one of the buildings luckily unhurt. The wedding went on the next week in the new building! Businesses that were leveled had orders filled by competeing businesses for them and also help getting set back up. In 2 weeks you could hardly tell anything had happened around there outside of tree damage. They really pull together as a community and help their neigbors.I was truly impressed!

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Kevin (FL)

09-22-2007 09:23:19




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 Re: The amish wagons your area in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 10:20:41  
Don't know how they'll be up there but a large Amish group set up camp in the Bay St. Louis/Waveland Miss. area to help out after Hurricane Katrina and they've been a great bunch of folks. They also built their own cabins to live in--pre-fabbed the walls, etc in PA and shipped them down on trucks using their "Mennonite brothers" for drivers. I was in the area a couple weeks ago and they're still there working to rebuild homes.

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GeneMO

09-22-2007 06:57:10




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 Re: The amish wagons your area in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 10:20:41  
We have had Amish here in central MO since 1980. All of the original group are gone and a new set has moved in. They move quite a bit seems. We have had no problems with them. They are an asset to the area.


Gene



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Rick(IA)

09-22-2007 06:41:53




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 Re: The amish wagons your area in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 10:20:41  
You can expect a lot less trouble with Amish buggies than with tractors pulling multiple wagons, or giant dual-wheeled combines driving down the road with a 35-40 header attached. The only complaint I've heard about the Amish near here is that they've been buying up land before the neighboring "English" farmers have a chance to bid on it.



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TyTX

09-22-2007 06:12:09




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 Re: The amish wagons your area in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 10:20:41  
People are people no matter what their religion.

Keep in mind that you may get some new neighbors and until you meet them and live next to them a while, you won't know if they are good or bad.

Some Amish communities are bad all together because of the attitude of their leadership. Others are great neighbors with high standards of honesty and reason.

Just like "English" some will use every swindle and angle to abuse the law. We had a large group of Thai who moved in near us in Olympia WA. A church member of ours lived across the street from them. Anything left out in the yard ended up in their garage. If the car was left unlocked, it was rifled through. They all spoke very understandable English until the police showed up. When the neighbors complained to the health board about 14 people living in a three bedroom house, nothing was ever done. (You try that.) When the neighbor's barn and chicken shed "caught fire" and eye witnesses saw the kids set it, no charges were filed. Towards the end of that summer, police tracked down an infamous multiple gang member wanted for a mass murder of six restaurant workers in Tacoma. He was being harbored in that community.

Now these were Thai, not Amish. Not all Thai are bad but these were. Similar stories can be found regarding Russian, Mexican, Native American, Vietnamese... the list goes on. Even born and raised Americans do these things.

I try to treat each person as an individual and keep their heritage out of it. Sometimes a community attitude makes that difficult.

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DRL

09-22-2007 05:53:22




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 Re: The amish wagons your area in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 10:20:41  
We have had the Amish set up a community here in SE KS about three years ago. Several new families have moved here and more are coming. Our town is a small rural community, but we do have two major highways intersect here. As far as wagons and buggies, there have been no problems here. Everyone keeps a lookout for them, they have SMV signs and they seem to choose to travel during the least busy times of the day. I have never seen them out after dark in town. They may be on the roads around their farms, which are out in the middle of nowhere. I think they are a great addition to our community. As far as taking charities, not being able to pay, as was stated in previous posts, it does not stand true for this community. They probably have more money than the average citizen here in town. Wife works in hospital, and they always pay bills in full, even large hospital bills. You could have a lot worse move into your area. Could have a bunch of meth cooks move in. Which would you rather have? For all my dealings with the Amish, they are good, honest, hard working folks who hold a set of values that have long since been lost in the "English" community.

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open minded amish neighbo

09-22-2007 04:57:21




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 Re: The amish wagons your area in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 10:20:41  
Sounds like a lot of paranoia ed19.
I have dealt with them for many years around here, never had any problem with a one of them.
They are the same as us, just a different religion.
In fact I would rather have a business deal with the ones I trade with than a lot of the (english) that buy hay. When I drive off from dropping a load of hay at an amish farm, I have their money in my pocket. Cant say that for all of my english, (ill pay when we get it all hauled, one check deal you know) customers.
They all have SMV's on the buggies, lights on the buggies and respect the vehicle traffic on the roads.
So I guess Ill just have to say no problems here.

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kyhayman

09-21-2007 23:07:15




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 Re: The amish wagons your area in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 10:20:41  
Several families have moved in around me, one just bought the house next door. They seem like nice people, work hard, and they leave me alone as I do them. Wish all my neighbors were that accomodating.



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Jerry/MT

09-21-2007 20:06:04




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 Re: The amish wagons your area in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 10:20:41  
We have an Amish colony in our area and they are nice folks from from my experiences. I kinda' like seeing the horsedrawn wagons going down the road.



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Leland

09-21-2007 19:58:19




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 Re: The amish wagons your area in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 10:20:41  
ILL makes them buy license plates now and they also have to run lights after dark and no more steel on the roads as they destroy the pavement surface .



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RayP(MI)

09-21-2007 18:47:49




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 Re: The amish wagons your area in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 10:20:41  
We have several different Amish communities in our area. Each one seems to have a different set of rules they live under, as to what is appropriate - lighting, and SMV symbols on carrages, for instance. Think the elders of each community make up their own rules. Typically here the Amish don't have motor vehicles, tractors, electricity, phones, etc. They do have powered machines, with gasoline motors, etc. Farm machinery, wells, workshops, all gasoline powered. Other day I saw Amish baling with a JD 14T baler, power provided by a motor on a wooden, steel wheeled cart attached to the front of baler tongue. Horses then pulled cart which pulled baler. Musta been quite a task to keep the baler on the windrow! Had a 17yr old student who worked for an Amish sawmill - he drove the cranes, trucks, forklifts,etc. Amish were allowed to lift with cranes, but not move them on the yard! Doesn't make much sense to me. Amish were pretty well stuck in the horse and buggy age. Although wife who is a nurse sometimes got Amish patients, especially obstetrics, so they're willing to embrace modern medicine. What contacts I have had with them have been very positive, although they stay pretty much to themselves, in social situations, like grocery stores. One of the all time funnies I saw was an Amishman examining an electric razor!

I have had a number of Mennonite students in my driver education classes. They were nice, polite, and very reserved. Their parents had cars, trucks - without radios, and they didn't have radio, tv in the home. Their tractors might be quite modern day, bur always on steel wheels. Farming practices were quite up-to-date. Men typically wore bibs and work shirts, women long dresses with starched gauze bonnets. Other than that, they were pretty modern folk. Again nice people.

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kyplowboy

09-21-2007 20:03:00




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 Re: The amish wagons your area in reply to RayP(MI), 09-21-2007 18:47:49  
The Menonites that came in here with the chickens have very modern trucks and tractors. They have some of the nicest trucks in the county. Every thing on them is black but all the crome they have drippen off them. Some of thier new tractors are pretty nice.

Dave



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rrlund

09-21-2007 19:40:41




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 Re: The amish wagons your area in reply to RayP(MI), 09-21-2007 18:47:49  
I've heard it said by them Ray,"we don't want to be unhandy,we just don't want to be slaves to technology". Not all that bad a philosophy if you ask me.



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RayP(MI)

09-21-2007 18:52:27




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 Re: The amish wagons your area in reply to RayP(MI), 09-21-2007 18:47:49  
Sorry, replied to wrong posting! See Amish-Mennonite ? below



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35A

09-21-2007 18:46:42




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 Re: The amish wagons your area in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 10:20:41  
The Amish that I know in and around Berlin Ohio are good folks. What would happen to the economy in that area in they lived like the "English"? No tourists, no junk shops, No cute little junk shop owners driving around in their Lexas with a cell phone in their ear. If it was'nt for the Amish, There would be nothing there but a farm economy, and we all know what thats like. I wish more people were like the Amish, would'nt need so many cops.

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El Toro

09-21-2007 17:05:57




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 Re: The amish wagons your area in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 10:20:41  
Here are pictures of them baling hay and cutting corn for silo filling. Hal

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J.C.in AZ.

09-22-2007 16:14:51




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 Re: The amish wagons your area in reply to El Toro, 09-21-2007 17:05:57  
Nothing new about the baling of hay, it is done like this around Arcola ILL a lot,but, that Corn Binder is very unique I think.It looks very efficent and practible,but what isn't in the Plain Peoples lives? In the area of Kentucky I come from the "Beachy Amish" have moved in and are a great addition to the economy and the lifestyles of the people who live there.In fact when ever I go "Home" one of the first non-family people I visit is an Beachy Amish Dairy Farmer. As I once was a Dairy Farmer and the fact he bought my Grand Parents Farm when they passed ,we have a lot in common. My Faith is of one that Adult Baptism is practiced as is the Amish and we have some "Spirited " converstions.Besides I love to try my hand at Milking some Cows again.

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El Toro

09-23-2007 04:13:35




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 Re: The amish wagons your area in reply to J.C.in AZ., 09-22-2007 16:14:51  
The Amish have been in Lancaster PA county for years and have beautiful farms throughout that area. They are buying farms here in MD since most of the land is taken in Lancaster county.

They had to changed some of their dairy habits since they could no longer use springs for cooling
milk and had to install milk coolers if they wanted to ship milk. They now use a generator to
cool their milk and for their milkers. No electric in the house.

My wife advertised a pressure canner in the local paper and an Amish lady called and said she wanted
the canner if she could get someone to bring her down here. I told her we could deliver it so she gave the directions. They had a young boy with a team of three horses pulling a big rotary mower with a Wisconsin engine mowing off corn stalks.

She was making bread and insisted on giving her some. Here's a web site with music we grew up with. Hal

http://home.att.net/~hideaway_today/t054/hymns.htm

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Glenn FitzGerald

09-21-2007 17:02:11




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 Re: The amish wagons your area in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 10:20:41  
I have known Amish folks in three different communities in two different states. They can move next door to me anytime. GOOD FOLKS.

Glenn



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rrlund

09-21-2007 15:54:31




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 Re: The amish wagons your area in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 10:20:41  
I know two local guys that have been broadsided by them. One pulled up to a stop sign in the dark,didn't see the tiny little light on the buggy and pulled out. WHAM,got the buggy fills right through the side of his truck. Another guy was at the elevator,an old order Menonite came in pulling one buggy behind another. The horse was a little spooky and whipped the rear buggy around right in to the side of Leo's sons new Chevy 3/4 ton.

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johndeereman

09-21-2007 14:24:01




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 Re: The amish wagons your area in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 10:20:41  
around here (northeast pennsylvania) they are good about the lights and such i think pa passed a law requireing them to have lights they are a little crazy though last winter i followed buggie tracks down the main road at 11pm in a blinding snow storm the buggie was all over the road accident waiting to happen. the dairy farmes have more manure on the road than the amish they fill the spreader chuck full then wonder why it runs over going up a hill. if you got any old equipment around they will give you a good price. i sold 1 two sets of three foot drags that i was given, for 50 bucks he thought it was a steal

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mjbrown

09-21-2007 13:38:24




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 Re: The amish wagons your area in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 10:20:41  
One thing you have to remember regardng the Amish and horse drawn wagons is they are... horse drawn. I come up behind an Amishman drive four horses hooked to a manure spreader. He was approaching a driveway to a farm. The horses knew this was the place to turn and the man had to work to hold them back to keep them from just turning in so he could check for traffic. I have horses and half expected they would do that so I had stayed well back and stopped. Driving horses isn't like driving a car. You don't just push pedals and they do just what they're told.

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RobMD

09-21-2007 12:29:53




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 Re: The amish wagons your area in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 10:20:41  
Big trouble?

Sir, only if you drive like an idiot- like the majority of people who complain about the Amish!!



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Larry806

09-21-2007 12:05:20




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 Re: The amish wagons your area in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 10:20:41  
You will find ALL the laws are on their side ! In my area of Ohio they don't have any SMV's at all .The most they will use is 1 very dim lantern and that is only on buggies not wagons . Every time one of them is hit it is always the " English " fault . A couple weeks ago 1 was hit at night over a hill with out lights of any kind . The car driver was charged with assault with motor vehicle .



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Mike M

09-21-2007 12:45:01




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 Re: The amish wagons your area in reply to Larry806, 09-21-2007 12:05:20  
Larry; I bet your not too far from me ? I'm in the Wooster, Ashland area of Ohio.

I want everyone here posting to come on over for a drive at night or dusk or dawn. I think they will get an awakening ? or maybe even a BIG susprize in their grille !

Don't even get me started on the myth of being good builders.



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Larry806

09-21-2007 13:50:25




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 Re: The amish wagons your area in reply to Mike M, 09-21-2007 12:45:01  
Mike I'm west of you about 70 miles .



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Larry806

09-21-2007 13:50:25




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 Re: The amish wagons your area in reply to Mike M, 09-21-2007 12:45:01  
Mike I'm west of you about 70 miles .



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Walt Davies

09-21-2007 11:19:58




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 Re: The amish wagons your area in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 10:20:41  
All of the ones that I have seen have light for night driving and a big Triangle SMV sign on the back. If you miss theses then how many tractors do you run over in a week.



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Mike M

09-21-2007 11:14:02




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 Re: The amish wagons your area in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 10:20:41  
The Amish are about exempt on about everything because of religon. Just slow down and pay attention,same as in known high deer population areas.



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Salt and Light

09-21-2007 12:29:04




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 Re: The amish wagons your area in reply to Mike M, 09-21-2007 11:14:02  
Mike M said: “The Amish are about exempt on about everything because of religon.”

Mike,

Can you provide an example of a law in which the Amish are exempt because of religion?



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Larry806

09-21-2007 13:48:13




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 Re: The amish wagons your area in reply to Salt and Light, 09-21-2007 12:29:04  
SMV's , reflective tape , littering ( road apples ) , Yes horse manure has caused some wrecks in this area . I haven been given a ticket for getting mud on the road .
How about hunter orange ? That case was about the 2 brothers across the road from me . They were caught hunting with out permission , no license and no orange . On another neighbors farm .They pleaded no contest to hunting with out permission and no license and were found guilty & paid their fines . They appealed the hunter orange to federal court . All of a sudden it became about the poor Amish hunting on their own land for food .
Last year they found 3 Amish running a slaughter house for deer 1 was caught 3 times in 3 months !! All got a hundred dollar fine .
What would have happened to a " English man " . I"ll tell you because that happened too he lost his house , his pickup and his wife's car because his name was on the title .
I will tell you one thing just about everyone that stands up for them doesn't have to live in the same area with them .

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Tom in TN

09-21-2007 12:39:46




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 Re: The amish wagons your area in reply to Salt and Light, 09-21-2007 12:29:04  
Salt,

I'm not Mike, but a couple of examples of exemptions that Amish observe are:

1. They, as are anyone else who claims religious objection, are exempt from Social Security taxes, but they also can't claim Social Security benefits.

2. Their children are exempt from school truancy laws, thus allowing them to quit their formal education after eight years of school rather than the usual 16 years of age.

Others?

Tom in TN

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Larry806

09-21-2007 13:56:55




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 Re: The amish wagons your area in reply to Tom in TN, 09-21-2007 12:39:46  
" are exempt from Social Security taxes " They say they won't have a number of any kind assigned to them . I'll bet you won't find one honest enough to tell you what his 401 number is ? That is a number assigned to every Amish to except them from SS .



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Gerry....WI

09-21-2007 15:41:47




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 Re: The amish wagons your area in reply to Larry806, 09-21-2007 13:56:55  
The reason they are exempt from paying Social Security is due to their belief in not accepting charity especially from the government. Won't accept welfare, medical payment help,free low income dental or medical aid, disaster aid. Not even financial assistance for their schools. Yet they pay property taxes.

They believe their Amish community should take care of each other. What a concept.

Can you imagine the number of government workers who would be out of work if the border crossers believe the same thing.

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Larry806

09-21-2007 21:23:18




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 Re: The amish wagons your area in reply to Gerry....WI, 09-21-2007 15:41:47  
Maybe in your world but not here . Amish neighbor's wife just had twins early . Mom was in hospital over a week , baby's were in almost a month and he was complaining about the bill being almost 5000 yes 5000 . Another Amish man fell through a roof and broke both ankles after 3 operations his doctor bill was for his wife to make 3 quilts . Now just who do you suppose paid the rest of those bills ?
The Amish here take State school money and every few years the district has changed and they need a new school . Of course they are built on skids and when the state gives them money for a new one , the old one gets moved to become a " grandpa home ' .

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Salt and Light

09-21-2007 13:26:01




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 Re: The amish wagons your area in reply to Tom in TN, 09-21-2007 12:39:46  
Hmmm…this is troubling. I wasn’t aware of these or other “special provisions” in the law. Thanks for the information, I’m going to research it.



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Mike M

09-21-2007 12:36:57




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 Re: The amish wagons your area in reply to Salt and Light, 09-21-2007 12:29:04  
They are exempt from using standard SMV signs for their slow moving vehicles and also reflective tape.Way too many of them choose to do this in my area.

They also have exemptions on septic system requirements when they build.

The smart ones know the dangers of running around on the roads without anything and they run reflective tape,SMV,and flashing lights mounted up high.



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ed19

09-21-2007 10:39:41




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 Re: The amish wagons your area in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 10:20:41  
Sounds like a case of paranoia! what happens when farmers drive their tractors? Easy you just pay attention and go slow. roads aren't a license to speed



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