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havvey

09-21-2007 04:35:03




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What is the big difference? We have niether near me. They (amish) are moving into this state. Also the different orders ( old etc)???




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J.C.in AZ.

09-21-2007 21:06:37




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 Re: o/t Amish and menonittes?? in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 04:35:03  
If you want a study in extreme contradiction look at the "Hutterites" who live mostly in the Dakotas. Not quite Mennonite,far from Amish but extremely Communistic,sort of along the lines of the Amana Ia. forbears before assimilation into modern society.These Hutterite Societys are very wealthy but the Members are very poor as to possessions but they appear to like it that way. An extreme example would be to examine the Latter Day Saints of Colorado City here in Az. and in the Utah Town just across the State line. Warren Jeffs according to Accounts was/is running a Society of People who think and walk a line very opposite from any other Society including main stream LDS groups.

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Gene Dotson

09-21-2007 19:07:20




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 Re: o/t Amish and menonittes?? in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 04:35:03  
The difference is in their ancesteral heritage. The Amish descnded from imigrants from Germany and Switzerladn. Mennonite ancesteral heritage is from the Ukraine area of the Soviet Union.
Both were persecuted in their native lands, so migrated to North America.

As a side note, The mennonites brought wheat seed with them from the Ukraine and is the basis for the North American wheat industry... Gene

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RayP(MI)

09-21-2007 18:50:58




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 Re: o/t Amish and menonittes?? in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 04:35:03  
We have several different Amish communities in our area. Each one seems to have a different set of rules they live under, as to what is appropriate - lighting, and SMV symbols on carrages, for instance. Think the elders of each community make up their own rules. Typically here the Amish don't have motor vehicles, tractors, electricity, phones, etc. They do have powered machines, with gasoline motors, etc. Farm machinery, wells, workshops, all gasoline powered. Other day I saw Amish baling with a JD 14T baler, power provided by a motor on a wooden, steel wheeled cart attached to the front of baler tongue. Horses then pulled cart which pulled baler. Musta been quite a task to keep the baler on the windrow! Had a 17yr old student who worked for an Amish sawmill - he drove the cranes, trucks, forklifts,etc. Amish were allowed to lift with cranes, but not move them on the yard! Doesn't make much sense to me. Amish were pretty well stuck in the horse and buggy age. Although wife who is a nurse sometimes got Amish patients, especially obstetrics, so they're willing to embrace modern medicine. What contacts I have had with them have been very positive, although they stay pretty much to themselves, in social situations, like grocery stores. One of the all time funnies I saw was an Amishman examining an electric razor!
I have had a number of Mennonite students in my driver education classes. They were nice, polite, and very reserved. Their parents had cars, trucks - without radios, and they didn't have radio, tv in the home. Their tractors might be quite modern day, bur always on steel wheels. Farming practices were quite up-to-date. Men typically wore bibs and work shirts, women long dresses with starched gauze bonnets. Other than that, they were pretty modern folk. Again nice people.

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Bret4207

09-21-2007 15:55:02




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 Re: o/t Amish and menonittes?? in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 04:35:03  
Hey, believe it or not there just people. Some good, some bad, some lazy, some crooks. They aren't saints and they aren't worthless. I've got Amish friends I'd do anything for and know others I'd bust in the mouth if I had half a chance. There just people. Instead of acting like they're freakin' aliens from Zeron 6, why not start with treating them like anyone else you met and go from there. Thats worked for me with black, white, Latino, Mormon, Catholic, male and female. Seems a good place to start.

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J.C.in AZ.

09-21-2007 13:05:49




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 Re: o/t Amish and menonittes?? in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 04:35:03  
You could not ask for a better Role Model or a Neighbor than most of the "Anabaptist" Faith. They are Christians of the highest moral persuasion and generally have no Peers. If interested ,read,"Amish Society,by John A. Hostetler" or "Plain and Amish by Bernd G. Langin" or "A History of the Amish by Steven M. Nolt" all available at www.lehmanshardware.com



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KIP in MX

09-21-2007 11:00:45




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 Re: o/t Amish and menonittes?? in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 04:35:03  
There is a large Menonite farm community northeast of here in Hopelchén, Campeche. The men and boys all wear overalls and straw cowboy hats and the women and girls wear long dresses and bonnets. They have pickups with stake beds, but no cars.
In the 70´s, there were some Menonites that used to come from northern Mexico into New Mexico and buy old tractors and emplements from farmers and haul it all back on worn out trucks. We sold them our John Deere A and some old cultivators.

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iowa_tire_guy

09-21-2007 09:48:56




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 Re: o/t Amish and menonittes?? in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 04:35:03  
A friend who runs a tire store in a town that has many Amish was having an open house because of a remodeling he did. Advertised in the paper of what they were offering including a free lunch. Well about 200 Amish showed up in their buggies for the free lunch. Not much chance of selling them tires. I thought it was funny but haven't had a chance to tease him about it.



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philcaseinWPA

09-21-2007 09:39:06




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 Re: o/t Amish and menonittes?? in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 04:35:03  
I'd say from my experience Red Dave has summed it up best. My wife grew up in the county north of him and had both Amish and Menonite neighbors. In Western PA there are Amish communities also to our north. I had an Amish crew do work on my barn and wagon shed. Someone drove them to the job but they operated all the power tools you could imagine, even a skid steer and a lift all with about a 40' boom. They did good work. The only complaint I had was they did not clean up the job site as well as I would have liked. Maybe my fault because I didn't say anything about it. When they did the wagon shed the leader had a cell phone. He would use it to call the man who I made the check out to, an "Englishman". They were cheaper and worked harder than non Amish crews do. I had a neighborhood 16 year old pulling nails out of boards I was salvaging from the wagon shed. He said, "They never quit working." Yeah, watch and learn kid.

Phil

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02XLT4X4

09-21-2007 09:24:38




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 Re: o/t Amish and menonittes?? in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 04:35:03  
We went thru a Amish area on a vacation once, it was the only time I have seen a 4020 on steel.



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Walt Davies

09-21-2007 09:19:23




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 Re: o/t Amish and menonittes?? in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 04:35:03  
We have Mennonites around here in NW Oregon they pretty much stick to themselves Hard to spot the men except for the beard no mustache. the women all wear long dresses and the young girls wear Boon docker shoes. They all drive cars mostly SUVs and live just like us except for their clothing and the little white bonnets that all the women and girls wear.
Walt



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dlplost

09-21-2007 09:09:37




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 Re: o/t Amish and menonittes?? in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 04:35:03  
Similar experiences here in the Fingerlakes region of NY State. We seem to have Millions of Both here. Mostly keep to themselves, very well behaved children. The only thing I hate about them is they allways seem to have more money than me at the local auctions...If there is something they want, the only way youre going to get it is to pay twice what it's worth. Over all very good people, very hard workers. When the Kids were little we used to drive up and sit and watch them plow the fields with horses.

Last time I paid to have a tractor tire changed, It was a Menonite couple (man and woman both in thier 50's) that came with one of those old Goodyear trucks that has an engine Mounted air compressor and a hoist on the back.
I showed them where the tractor was, they went to work, never heard either of them say a word between them. they jacked it up, pumped out the calcl from the tire, took the tire off changed it, refilled it put it all back together. 45 minutes start to finish, never said a word.

I wouldn't have a problem if they wanted to live near me. Nearest are about 30 miles north of me.

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bill mar

09-21-2007 13:42:12




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 Re: o/t Amish and menonittes?? in reply to dlplost, 09-21-2007 09:09:37  
in regards to the auctions,I have never seen them pay more than item was worth.If they are bidding on an item they know what its worth and whether they can make some money on it or not.



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Spook

09-21-2007 08:37:10




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 Re: o/t Amish and menonittes?? in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 04:35:03  
I was at a consignment sale a few years ago, when I saw an amish guy pull out a cellphone. I was curious, so I walked over and introduced myself. Turned out he was a Mennonite, had married into it. He was there buying equipment for the some amish clents. He had a shopping list, plus he bought things he knew they would buy, if he found one. He bought 3 JD 2 row planters, a fanning mill, and some cultivator parts. He was from Hillsdale, Michigan. He also ran a business transporting amish to job sites and such. Interesting guy.

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Wilsonfire

09-21-2007 08:08:15




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 Re: o/t Amish and menonittes?? in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 04:35:03  
Mostly Mennonite a few Amish here in Central Oklahoma. They will share a car or truck because of distance travel. Normal looking except you see the odd looking Cowboy hat from quite a distance. Their tractors are always GIANT John Deere and state of the art, complete with A/C on top.



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krm

09-21-2007 07:52:08




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 Re: o/t Amish and menonittes?? in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 04:35:03  
We have a Amish and Mennonite Community about 30 miles from us and about a year and a half ago they were struck badly by a tornado,there was no outcry for outside help such as the New Orleans hurricane.Within two weeks most of the houses and barns were rebuilt and there was little evidence of the tornado.Other Amish and Mennoites
groups from Indiana and others states were bussed in to help in the recovery.Wouldn't it be nice if others could learn from their misfortune and learn to help each other.

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snappie

09-21-2007 07:08:35




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 Re: o/t Amish and menonittes?? in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 04:35:03  
I've lived and worked around both. here is some interesting things I have seen.
my wife and I while shopping in alti's, mennonites buying those pillsbury type bisquets that you hit on the counter and the container breaks open, canned soup, cupcakes, beef jerky. my wife always says "what would their mother say"
I,ve seen them hunting, carrying very expensive guns and wearing floresent orange.
they usually shoot everything that moves, the game dept. looks the other way.
at a local u-pick strawberry farm the owner says that when they come to pick, he has to close for a few days because they pick everything that has even a little bit of red.
a horse and buggy towing a bass boat.
their kids in the yard jumping on a trampoline.

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John T

09-21-2007 06:29:28




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 Re: o/t Amish and menonittes?? in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 04:35:03  
I grew up near a bunch of them (Amish n Mennonites) and the main difference was whichever Bishop/Church they followed. Generally the Amish were stricter n old fashioned while the Mennonites were a bit more modern.

I can tell ya one thing that impressed me the most, as compared to many kids runnin n yellin n screamin n throwing hissy fits in the stores or whining n complaining I DONT RECALL EVERRRRR RRRR SEEING AN AMISH KID CRYING OR COMPLAINING depsite riding to town in hot summers or cold winters.

A fun thign to observe in my older years when Sunday driving in their community is to observe the courting n sparking of their teens. The young boys with their buggies all gussied up with lights n yes even stereos driving down the dirt roads and enticing the barefoot girls to take a ride lol

Yall ever seen an Amish kid cry n whine n throw a hissy fit????? ? I cant recall it

John T

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Pair-a-dice farm

09-21-2007 06:41:26




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 Re: o/t Amish and menonittes?? in reply to John T, 09-21-2007 06:29:28  
I was in the bank the other day when a young mennonite family came in with 2 young children.
I have'nt seen kids that well behaved in years. I wouldn't want to take on their way of life but I have a lot of respect for them.



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Red Dave

09-21-2007 06:14:28




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 Re: o/t Amish and menonittes?? in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 04:35:03  
The Amish are basically Mennonites that broke away to practice a more fundamentalist version of their religion. There are many differences, but also many similarities between the two sects.

All Mennonites are not the same, nor are all Amish. There are at least 6 or 8 different varieties of Mennonites, each with their own interpretation of how things should be done. Some are nearly indistinguishable from the Amish, unless you know what to look for, and some that are difficult to tell from any other Christian faith. It all depends on which Bishop or Community they follow.

The Amish vary in their practices too, but all are fairly strict and fundamentalist in nature.

To tell the difference, you have to know the differences in the style of buggies they drive, the hats they wear, the kind of dresses the women wear etc. Around here, many people from other places mistake Old Order Mennonites for Amish and vice-versa. I've lived among them all my life, so I know the difference, but it is not like they wear a sign on their back.

Do not make the common mistake of thinking that the Amish and Mennonites are poor, unsophisticated, backwards and downtrodden just because they ride around in a horse and buggy. They are as clever as anybody and are sharp businessmen, they just have a different way of doing things.

There is no better sport to an Amishman than to get the better end of a deal with an "English".

Red Dave, Lancaster County PA.

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Formerly PaMike

09-21-2007 09:31:04




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 Re: o/t Amish and menonittes?? in reply to Red Dave, 09-21-2007 06:14:28  
I second what he says. I am also from Lancaster County and have come to almost like dealing with them as much as the "english" people. When I sell something farm related I always put "will deliver" in the ad. That hits the amish crowd. Its easier to sell the item, and I get paid to bring it to them instead of sitting around the farm waiting for someone to come and take a look at something.



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Leroy

09-21-2007 05:52:07




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 Re: o/t Amish and menonittes?? in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 04:35:03  
Some Amish are allowed depending on the sect to have electricity in the barn but not in the house, others cannot have it at all. They are allowed to use it at any time as long as they do NOT own the electric system or the power tools. The Amish carpenters you either furnish the power tools or the driver they hire to haul them to the construction site will own the tools. Telephones they are just not allowed to own one. In some areas the phone companys would mount a pay phone on a pole on the road right of way next to their drive for them to use. Tires some will not allow rubber at all and others no air supported tires. Some will only use steel tired open buggies while others will use a solid rubber tire closed buggy. Some are not allowed to have spark ignition engines while others are. Very nice people and try to get along with everybody. Spent a year hauling a crew to job sites and still remain in touch with them and have bought machinery for them site unseen several times. The group I am familar with have not yet gone to brakes on their open steel wheel buggies, flat land, but they do use the SMV emblins and other reflective tape plus a red flashing light to rear on both sides of buggy and they do have licence plates on all their buggy's. These are from the Berne, Ind area. Over here in Ohio around Holms county in the hills most buggies do have brakes. And they are more modern in the farm equipment they use.

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Brokenwrench

09-21-2007 05:35:31




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 Re: o/t Amish and menonittes?? in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 04:35:03  
Like others have said, it depends. We have a fairly large group of amish about 40 miles north of us. Some years ago I used to help out a friend on weekends and haul milk. This group of amish don`t have electricity in their barns or houses, but do have deep wells to use for the farm. Hard part was that they wouldn`t put an outlet anywhere so you could plug in the pump on the truck. We had to carry a gas pup engine to run the pump. You`d pick it up on one end of the route and drop it off at the last amish farm. Bad part was if you got messed up as to what end of the route the engine was on, you`d kill about an hour starting at the other end and back tracking back..
About six years ago menonittes started buying dairy farms just north of us, within a short time they owned 10-12 good sized farms. Alot of their equipment they trucked up from indiana, the rest they bought here. They are very modern, cell phones, late model equipment and vehicles. Most live too far out of town, but a few have shown interest in joining the local fire dept and ambulance. Biggest thing with them is they seem to be very group oriented. I own a repair shop and did two jobs within a short time for one guy. Seemed like after that, they figured out we were trustworthy, now we work for them all the time. They all drive black vehicles, with the radio antennas removed. Most have a tape or cd player in them though..
One cool thing about them is in the summer the teens will come to town and play softball or tennis. Looks neat to see 20 or better teenage kids, girls in dresses, boys all dressed alot alike playing softball. Reminds me of little house on the prairie.

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Dale S

09-21-2007 05:16:24




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 Re: o/t Amish and menonittes?? in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 04:35:03  
I"ve seen Mennonites with a Case 970 and a Gleaner combine on steel wheels in Indiana.We have some Amish near us in Wisconsin.The sect that lives nearby ususally use and drive skid steers on their farms.We had a few of them move in and out after a couple years.There is a National Amish newspaper called The Budget.It"s an interesting paper to read..It has little stories about various things that have happened in the Amish Community all over the US

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rrlund

09-21-2007 04:53:21




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 Re: o/t Amish and menonittes?? in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 04:35:03  
The Amish follow the teachings of Jacob Aman,the menonites,the teachings of Meno Simon. How modern they are depends entirely on each communities Bishop.



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BLinWMI

09-21-2007 08:40:43




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 Re: o/t Amish and menonittes?? in reply to rrlund, 09-21-2007 04:53:21  
I was waiting to see if anyone knew anything about the two groups background. My first dairy was in Montague and had a Amish group build a silo for me, I got to be pretty good friends with them and several years later, moved my dairy to Fremont, just 2 blocks from the Amish friends. The patriarch, Ezra and several of the boys, and I are still good friends. I used to take my 70 over to their farm and help out occasionally. I had even built enough trust with them to be invited to a church service, which they have only every other week. I never did go, I would have loved to but when the have an english in one of their meetings, they do not hold service in Penn Dutch. I did not want to goof up the whole mood of thier worship by my being there. Growing up in West Michigan in the farm community, I have worked with 2 different Amish church groups, as well as several Dunkard Brethren and German Baptist families. Each faith is similiar in small ways and each is based either from Jacob Amon or Menno Smith writings.

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rrlund

09-21-2007 15:32:15




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 Re: o/t Amish and menonittes?? in reply to BLinWMI, 09-21-2007 08:40:43  
There are two different communities of Amish up around Vestaburg. One can use chain saws,gas powered air compressors and air tools,the others can't. Same with the Menonites around Carson City and Sheridan. One group drives cars,works off the farm at other employment have milk routes,cattle hauling business's etc,the other ones use steel wheeled tractors,horse and buggys but use electricity and phones.

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cj3b_jeep

09-21-2007 04:48:07




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 Re: o/t Amish and menonittes?? in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 04:35:03  
Look it up on Wikipedia. The main difference is that most of the Amish don't believe in modern convenience like electric, telephones, cars, etc. While Mennonites embrace these technologies. Funny thing is I've seen the Amish use all of the above, as well as those powered tractor things they pul behind horses. I saw one not too long ago running roundbailer behind horses.



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Dave 2N

09-21-2007 05:45:22




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 Re: o/t Amish and menonittes?? in reply to cj3b_jeep, 09-21-2007 04:48:07  
The Amish have no problem embracing the use of non-Amish neighbors' phones.



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Eric SEI

09-21-2007 19:12:05




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 Re: o/t Amish and menonittes?? in reply to Dave 2N, 09-21-2007 05:45:22  
I have heard of that causing friction with the neighbors. Up in Rush County all the Amish have natural gas for lighting. I stopped at one of their stores to try and buy lamp oil, they didn't even know who had any.



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Mike M

09-21-2007 04:43:52




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 Re: o/t Amish and menonittes?? in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 04:35:03  
I have them both around here in Ohio. There are alot of different "orders" or levels it seems. But the Amish still use horses and the Menonittes have regular tractors and cars and trucks but most of them are painted black, cars mainly.They both stick mostly to there own and run their own schools.

Some of the Amish do have tractors, seldom on rubber tires,tracks or steels wheels,but no cars,lots of Honda engines running stuff.

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IaGary

09-21-2007 04:43:28




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 This is a question for Gene Bender in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 04:35:03  
He lives pretty close to Amish country.


Gary



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gene bender

09-22-2007 04:31:20




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 Re: This is a question for Gene Bender in reply to IaGary, 09-21-2007 04:43:28  
Yes these posts are fun as different groups in some places do have silly sets of rules. I graduated from IOWA MENNONITE HIGH SCHOOL in 53. Back then tv bad,ball games bad,no musical instuments allowed on and on. Now they go to state tournaments and win their class. Have a first class music dept even wear jewelry very interesting this last yr even have a FFA chapter when 50pluss yrs we were turned down. Progress even in the OLD ORDER sects.

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IaGary

09-21-2007 04:43:23




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 This is a question for Gene Bender in reply to havvey, 09-21-2007 04:35:03  
He lives pretty close to Amish country.


Gary



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phil lowe

09-21-2007 09:05:29




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 Re: This is a question for Gene Bender in reply to IaGary, 09-21-2007 04:43:23  
No word of a lie ,I was Kayaking North of ottawa last month and saw a couple boatloads of Amish folks WHITWATER RAFTING...
Wearing very concervative clothing,but out there givin er!! like the rest of us ..I thought it was very cool..
seems like round these parts every male Amish is named Henry ,what's up with that ?



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mjbrown

09-21-2007 09:54:45




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 Re: This is a question for Gene Bender in reply to phil lowe, 09-21-2007 09:05:29  
I've seen them skiing. The girls still have the calico dresses on over top of ski clothes having a ball just like everyone else.



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mowr

09-21-2007 18:10:13




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 water skiing? in reply to mjbrown, 09-21-2007 09:54:45  
Water skiing? Just a thought.



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