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The mortgage crisis and your farm?

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havvey

09-16-2007 15:00:11




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What do you all think will happen to the current mortgage problem (its all over the news)? I suspect it will affect the small and hobby farms. I also recon if it gets bad enough the feds will pass a bunch of new laws or do a bale out, my opinion.




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Spook

09-17-2007 04:26:13




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 Re: The mortgage crisis and your farm? in reply to havvey, 09-16-2007 15:00:11  
The way I see it, the bail out will be for Wall Street, not the guys losing the family home.



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barnrat

09-16-2007 18:32:10




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 Re: The mortgage crisis and your farm? in reply to havvey, 09-16-2007 15:00:11  
I bought my dairy farm 5 years ago when I was 26. The mortgage was by todays media standards "shaky" but I always made my payments. I had marginal credit and just barely enough to money to make the down payment. I am very thankful that the bank worked with me, and took the risk.



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georgeky

09-16-2007 20:01:45




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 Re: The mortgage crisis and your farm? in reply to barnrat, 09-16-2007 18:32:10  
You borrowed for something that has potential to pay out. Lots of folks have borrowed on nothing but a house and 4 cars, a boat, 2 jet skis and 4 atv's. These things will never make a nickle. In 94 I bought a new Ford 7610 tractor. I went to the bank and ask about borrowing money for it, and my banker told me that they really didn't like to make farm loans anymore. I never ask another question and left. On my way out of his office he told me if I needed a new boat, home equity loan or motor home to give him a call. I closed my accounts there and went down the street to the other bank I used and no problems. It was owned by local folks instead of an out of town holding company. You were lucky that your bank even talked to you about a dairy. My credit has always been good, so all this confused me.

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rodgernbama

09-16-2007 17:37:35




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 Re: The mortgage crisis and your farm? in reply to havvey, 09-16-2007 15:00:11  
As usual the people who got a conventional mortgage and made a down pymt. on their home will probally wind up paying because the forclosed homes will be sold at a cheaper price and in turn will lower my houses value. All because lenders made stupid loans to people with marginal credit. I don't think us taxpayers should bail out these lenders.



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Tradititonal Farmer

09-16-2007 17:29:45




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 Re: The mortgage crisis and your farm? in reply to havvey, 09-16-2007 15:00:11  
The 'bailouts' are the Fed creating 'money' out of thin air called Increasing the money supply when they do that it devalues all the money that is already in circulation.So we will all pay for the stupidity of a few as usual.Putting your money into tangable asset that hold their value no matter what happens is the answer in my opinion



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mjbrown

09-16-2007 17:19:22




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 Re: The mortgage crisis and your farm? in reply to havvey, 09-16-2007 15:00:11  
Mine is paid for too. I'm no economist so I may not fully understand the nuances involved. Didn't this come about because lenders made large adjustable rate mortgages that the borrowers could barely pay then raised the rates to a level they couldn't pay? If I get it right the lenders have shot themselves in the foot. Wouldn't it be smarter to lower the rates a bit and stop the defaults?



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paul

09-16-2007 19:42:13




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 Re: The mortgage crisis and your farm? in reply to mjbrown, 09-16-2007 17:19:22  
The housing boom, ecconomy going good, so sup-prime became all the rage. Cheap adjustable rate morgage became real popular because the ecconomy was going so well that the adjustable became dirt cheap. Ecconomy doing well, so can always pay off a morgage, get as big as you can possibly afford, maybe a little bigger even, no prob.

The moragages were all bundled together & resold as big blocks to other firms.

Now the ecconomy is pretty good, not great, so rates go up, a few less raises, & it all goes to heck. Folks can't pay thier bills, the rates go up a notch, and everyone needs to sell.

Drives the market down, so they owe more than it is worth because they only owned it 2 years.

So, the govt will need to come in & bail out the morgage holders & those that can't pay their bills.

The ecconomy is now worse because of all the mess, so those big firms that invested wisely & carefully & those of us who pay our bills & don't go in too deep will suffer from those effects - and no govt help from us - actually we are the govt help paying that bill.

Like always. Same song, every 20 years or so.

To the original question, at this point it should not affect farm types so much. It is mostly all very similar tract housing, which coulds all be bundled together as same type of loan. Be glad if you have a farm & not that type of housing & loan. The farm stuff should only get dragged down a little, not so bad.

Not much adjustable loans on farm land - different catigory, could not be bundled into the big loan sales between big firms. Everyone got too complacient with those, let it build up into the problem it is. Everyone could see it coming, but no one could get off the wheel - have to play it out to the end & then take the govt handouts. How business is done.

--->Paul

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Davis In SC

09-16-2007 18:42:54




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 Re: The mortgage crisis and your farm? in reply to mjbrown, 09-16-2007 17:19:22  
I have an idea that some insiders will have an angle to make big $$$ on these foreclosures. That happened during the depression, the money and assets did not just disappear into thin air.

One of those lenders went under, here, a few years ago. I would love to know where the borrowers now send their payments to now..



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Eric SEI

09-16-2007 18:37:49




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 Re: The mortgage crisis and your farm? in reply to mjbrown, 09-16-2007 17:19:22  
Almost all mortgages there days (including ARMs) are grouped together and sold to the financial community as securitized instruments. What this means is that whoever made the original loan does nothing but collect the payment and pass it along. They made their profit when they sold thr mortgages, they have nothing at risk now.

Some financial wizards have chopped the instruments up and then recombined them so many times ( making a profit each time) that it is like trying to find a particular pig in a truck load of sausage. Nobody really knows which mortgage belongs to which instrument. And the owners are all over the world.

Consequently, negotiations to lower interest rates amd avoiding foreclosure will be impossible in many cases.

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rrlund

09-16-2007 16:51:48




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 Re: The mortgage crisis and your farm? in reply to havvey, 09-16-2007 15:00:11  
Mine's been paid for for 20 years. Recon the only ones in trouble (except those unfortunate enough to live in Michigan) are the ones that paid more than they could afford in the first place and had to use shady lenders or "creative financing" to buy. For the most part,this whole thing is just the news medias "crisis of the week" anyway.



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georgeky

09-16-2007 16:31:43




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 Re: The mortgage crisis and your farm? in reply to havvey, 09-16-2007 15:00:11  
I don't see why tax money should be used to bail out these folks. If I fall behind on my mortgage, who will bail me out? They shouldn't have been loaning money to high risk borrowers to start with. If I make a bad decision I have to live with it.



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Pete in colorado

09-16-2007 15:29:54




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 Re: The mortgage crisis and your farm? in reply to havvey, 09-16-2007 15:00:11  
Countrywide the largest mortgage lender needed a
11 billon dollar infusion to stay afloat. I worry
more for our credit unions that are in worse trouble which are backed by the individual share
holder and his deposits.
Pete in colorado



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Big Mike

09-16-2007 15:25:36




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 Re: The mortgage crisis and your farm? in reply to havvey, 09-16-2007 15:00:11  
I think the "Bailouts" have already begun...



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