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Part 2: The nerve of people

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Formerly PaMike

09-09-2007 13:39:00




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For those of you who read my first post about someone stealing pears off our fruit trees the thefts continue. Was at church today and the neighber next to our home farm came up to me and told me about half an hour after I left the farm yesterday a white SUV drove out our farm lane. He then came back in the farm lane, backed up to my 10 cord firewood pile. My neighbor was on his shed roof so he couldnt get down in time to get a plate. I went out to investigate today. They opened the gate at the road, drove back into the woods to the next gate. Opened that, and left it open. Thankfully I found it before that cattle got out. They then turned around came back in and loaded up the wood. The killer is the wood is 40 feet from the road, and right by the house and barn. All this in plain daylight. The cops said they will step up patrols....

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Dave from MN

09-10-2007 06:25:20




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 Re: Part 2: The nerve of people in reply to Formerly PaMike, 09-09-2007 13:39:00  
hey, give them a break, why shouldnt you donate some campfire wood for them to bring up to their $400,000 lake home. After all they have a $45,000 SUV to pay for, 1 kid that is going to a $100,000 a year college, not to mention the boat, ATV, and thier mortgage for their $680,000 house payments to make. They cant afford to BUY some firewood, dont be so stingy, after all I am sure they figured out that YOU get all $16.99/lb for the steaks they just bought at the store, not to mention the $4.50 you get for every gallon of milk they buy. FYI, being sarcastic here, been a little dusgusted lately with the "high society " folks" attitudes about farmers.

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JDB

09-10-2007 06:13:43




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 Re: Part 2: The nerve of people in reply to Formerly PaMike, 09-09-2007 13:39:00  
A harrow section turned upside down is rough on tires



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Rick in IA.

09-10-2007 05:28:48




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 Re: Part 2: The nerve of people in reply to Formerly PaMike, 09-09-2007 13:39:00  
Mike,

I think I'd lock the gate.

Rick



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ExCop

09-10-2007 05:25:12




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 Re: Part 2: The nerve of people in reply to Formerly PaMike, 09-09-2007 13:39:00  
Yep-the scumbags got all the rights, you got squat. And there's a line of lawyers waiting to sue you for infringing on those rights; after all, you must have something to get, or the scumbags wouldn't be after you to begin with.

Just keep electing lawyers to make more laws; it'll get better!



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Leland

09-10-2007 05:18:41




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 Re: Part 2: The nerve of people in reply to Formerly PaMike, 09-09-2007 13:39:00  
around here big ticket items like zero turn mowers disapeer fast ,one dealer lost 9 in 2 seprate raids exactly 30 days apart .



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TyTX

09-09-2007 21:19:57




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 Re: Part 2: The nerve of people in reply to Formerly PaMike, 09-09-2007 13:39:00  
Ya might try drilling a hole in one or two pieces of firewood and filling it with a 1/4 stick of dynamite. Or maybe just some sulfur or black powder or perhaps a mix of iron oxide (rusted steel wool) and powdered aluminum. Plug the hole with a wood plug and wait for the morning paper to cover a story of someone's wood stove blowing up.

I heard of a farmer who had repeated fuel thefts from his harvesting equipment left in the field overnight. He sugared each tank and drained the fuel in the morning before re-filling to start work.

Within a few nights he saw an abandoned car on the roadside and he never had that problem again.

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Don-Wi

09-09-2007 23:19:47




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 Re: Part 2: The nerve of people in reply to TyTX, 09-09-2007 21:19:57  
I think about 3-4 gallons of water would be a better way on that one. Sugar wouldn't be completely eliminated fomr the system, but water is something you measure exactly how much goes in and you can make sure that much comes out.

Plus a little bit of HEAT or other gas dryers would take care of the rest, as well as the sediment bowl/fuel filter.

Or better yet, shut off the tank before starting to add the water so you know it didn't get past the tank.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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Mike (WA)

09-09-2007 21:17:46




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 Re: Part 2: The nerve of people in reply to Formerly PaMike, 09-09-2007 13:39:00  
An older gentleman with remote farm property was experiencing numerous thefts from his property in our county. He went out and stayed on the property, and sure enough, the perp showed up that night for another raid. The owner's "warning shot" got him right in the (meth) head, he's deader'n a mackeral. Owner charged with manslaughter. Owner's attorney asked prosecutor about a plea bargain, but prosecutor said "We're going to take this to a jury", and wouldn't offer a plea. Jury acquitted him in 15 minutes. After the trial, prosecutor said, with a big smile, "Well, justice was served by a jury of his peers. You just never know how a jury is going to react to these things"- and winked as he left. One of the jurors was interviewed, and he said, "We were pretty sure the owner was just trying to fire a warning shot over his head. We just couldn't send him to prison for being a poor shot."

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tractormiallis

09-09-2007 19:34:37




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 Re: Part 2: The nerve of people in reply to Formerly PaMike, 09-09-2007 13:39:00  
Hey, if they enter your home or if they come at you threatening from outside, I see nothing wrong with shooting them to kill them. Better dead than alive. That way they cant sue you for injury.



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Howard H.

09-09-2007 19:24:14




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 Re: Part 2: The nerve of people in reply to Formerly PaMike, 09-09-2007 13:39:00  

I know it's a pain - and this wouldn't be for everyone - but camera surveillance systems have sure come down in price.

We've put several 8 camera systems in at the university in student housing - the cameras are tied back to a central recorder which stores about a 7 day loop for each camera on a hard drive - not video tape.

It works great and is a lot easier to go back through for specific times. You can also get cameras that use infra-red to record in the dark and also that are motion activated to record only when necessary.

These systems cost us about $2000 for 8 cameras and the DVR recorder...

Another cheaper option - if you have high-speed internet - is a little D-link camera (there are others out there) that connects to the internet via wireless. Mount the camera and then it is possible to access it directly across the Internet (depending on what kind of router and connection you have) from anywhere - just by using Internet Explorer and browsing to that address. Seems like those ran about $300 for the camera.

Howard

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RobMD

09-09-2007 19:18:10




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 Sound familiar? in reply to Formerly PaMike, 09-09-2007 13:39:00  
A gentleman put a nice sofa outside along the road in hopes that someone would take it for free.

A few days went by, and the gentleman's "free sofa" sign did not tempt anyone.

So the gentleman replaced the "free sofa" sign with one that said "For sale: sofa, $35"

The very next day, someone stole the sofa.



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Davis In SC

09-09-2007 18:50:54




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 Re: Part 2: The nerve of people in reply to Formerly PaMike, 09-09-2007 13:39:00  
Property rights are gone.. Folks think they can take anything that they want. We have had 3 trailers stolen from our shop, and just last week, crooks tried to break the locks and steal another one. What really infuriates me are the people that say "If you leave it at your shop, you deserve to get it stolen" ... That is actually a common opinion, from people that own little or nothing, they side with the criminals.. Crime is getting out hand, here.. The jails are so full, that only the violent ones ever serve a day.

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Spook

09-09-2007 19:32:00




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 Re: Part 2: The nerve of people in reply to Davis In SC, 09-09-2007 18:50:54  
We have the same problems here. I think it is because we are becoming a nation of haves and have nots. People who have nothing to lose will do almost anything for almost nothing. We are becoming more like a 3rd world nation.



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Bison

09-09-2007 18:37:06




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 Re: Part 2: The nerve of people in reply to Formerly PaMike, 09-09-2007 13:39:00  
So it seems this way.
The law and the cops are there to protect the criminals from the public, NOT the other way around.

My brother got burglarized,a$$ thief gained acces to open sec story open bedroom window with ladder taken from shed. insurance would not pay for stolen items cause my brother had facilitated acces,[ open window and ladder] you go figger.



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24D

09-09-2007 18:24:03




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 Re: Part 2: The nerve of people in reply to Formerly PaMike, 09-09-2007 13:39:00  
The best property protection is a good dog outside and one inside, either way it gives you a chance to load the rifle. We have had our fair share of young drivers tearing up our field, driveway and breaking windows, but they cant seen to find a way in through a 140 lbs. dog that barks alot.



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aaachris

09-10-2007 12:30:19




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 Re: Part 2: The nerve of people in reply to 24D, 09-09-2007 18:24:03  
Yup... big dogs! I have 5 rotties and everyone around knows they are there. It would be a shame for te stranger that walks into MY shop!



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Walt Davies

09-09-2007 15:43:21




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 Re: Part 2: The nerve of people in reply to Formerly PaMike, 09-09-2007 13:39:00  
I think I would run for Sheriff on a Law & Order platform. shouldn't be hard to get the old sheriff out if things are that bad.
Just glad I live out west where things are a lot different out here. We shoot first an ask questions later. Sure keep the bad guys on their toes.

Walt



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roger roland

09-09-2007 14:46:11




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 Re: Part 2: The nerve of people in reply to Formerly PaMike, 09-09-2007 13:39:00  
I know how u feel on that i used to have a small auto shop & had a door & a transfer case stolen right off a pickup i just painted to sell....then a week later they walked off with all my tools when i was gone for weekend so im sure it was someone who knew me & knew i was gonna be gone, bet same for U someone knows when your home & not...



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rustyj

09-09-2007 14:14:56




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 Re: Part 2: The nerve of people in reply to Formerly PaMike, 09-09-2007 13:39:00  
A good way to discourage that is to nail some old steel garden rakes, with the tines turned up, to some flat planks, then hide the planks in the lanes in the woods, or pastures. You might even make a nice pile of freshly cut and split logs on the far side of the rake boards! Just don't forget where you put them! A circle of boards about 20 feet out would just about fit the bill! Here in the suburbs, we have a problem with young bucks driving thru peoples nicely manicured lawns, and leaving nasty tire tracks through them. One trip thru the upturned garden rakes seems to discourage that trick, because word travels fast!

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jason, NW Ontario

09-09-2007 21:00:43




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 Re: Part 2: The nerve of people in reply to rustyj, 09-09-2007 14:14:56  
I agree with rustyj. All we had stolen was a 32 ft extension ladder, but it stung just the same. I used it twice - once to get on the barn roof, once to get back down... I put down a homemade spike belt. Neighbours told me that they heard a vehicle having a really hard time driving away from our place a week later. You could see the mess on the dirt road from their flat tires. Haven't had a problem since, even though we don't live at that property.
jay

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Lanse

09-09-2007 17:13:12




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 Re: Part 2: The nerve of people in reply to rustyj, 09-09-2007 14:14:56  
put up a sign that says" warniing severe tire damage" right next to a fake home alarm sign. Some idiot will notice the fake sign and decide the other one if fake too... WRONG!!!!



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Ray

09-09-2007 16:20:42




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 Re: Part 2: The nerve of people in reply to rustyj, 09-09-2007 14:14:56  
Some teenagers were driving in peoples yards in the neighborhood a few weeks ago.They drove around my sisters house, the car died in her front yard.The driver got out, took a hammer to the battery connections,got the car started and drove off.She got the tag number,but the sheriff said he couldn"t do anything because he had to witness it himself,otherwise it was her word against his.



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rrlund

09-09-2007 14:23:46




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 Re: Part 2: The nerve of people in reply to rustyj, 09-09-2007 14:14:56  
Yea,booby trap the place and you'll likely get sued!



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roger roland

09-09-2007 14:50:23




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 my stuff not other peoples to take in reply to rrlund, 09-09-2007 14:23:46  
Id rather take the chance to boobie trap & get in trouble than have others drive on my yard & rip me off i think thats a very good idea i will do it myself



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rrlund

09-09-2007 15:04:36




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 Re: my stuff not other peoples to take in reply to roger roland, 09-09-2007 14:50:23  
A fella here cought two teenagers doing donuts in a hay field. Confronted them and they rolled the window up. He punched the window out with his fist to take ahold of them,got in BIG trouble. Another guy caught two kids screwing around,shot a round in to the rear quarter pannel,went to jail. They let him go home days to milk cows,then back to the slammer. Ended up loosing the farm due to neglect from the whole incident. I really don't know what a person is supposed to do. Somebody started my wifes truck right in the garage one night and she scared him off before he could back it out. I told the cop the law ends at the edge of the road. From now on I'll take care of myself and shoot to kill. Cocky a$$,said,"go ahead,and I'll have you in jail for murder". Go figure. Guess it'll have to be like it is with a neighbors dog,shoot,shovel and shut up.

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roger roland

09-09-2007 16:01:25




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 Re: my stuff not other peoples to take in reply to rrlund, 09-09-2007 15:04:36  
it is legal to shoot someone breaking into your home... so if he not inside your home use your head shoot him..... drag him into your home, & put a crow bar in his dead hand, he cant tell the cops u shot him outside while he was robing u hes dead ( dead men tell no lies )



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