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john in la

09-08-2007 14:36:29




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So have you ever wondered why we need a Dept of Transportation out there enforcing safety laws with trucks; big and small.

Found this post on the Taler Board (link below) that should explain it clearly.

Thanks to Hal/Ind for posting it.




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Bret4207

09-09-2007 16:53:20




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 Re: Why the DOT has rules in reply to john in la, 09-08-2007 14:36:29  
For Cliff and Jim- DOT Inspectors deal with COMMERCIAL VEHICLES. That rig is NOT a CMV. As for weighing an empty trailer, yup. Most likely the owner had the rig registered for less than the rig weighed EMPTY. Gonna put one over on "da man".

Now, would I let that nightmare go down the road? No way. But remember not all DOT inspectors are cops. And in some States their powers are limited. In my State most of our Inspectors are Troopers, so we do the whole cop thing too.

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john in la

09-09-2007 19:32:49




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 Re: Why the DOT has rules in reply to Bret4207, 09-09-2007 16:53:20  

Bret4207 said: (quoted from post at 16:53:20 09/09/07) DOT Inspectors deal with COMMERCIAL VEHICLES. That rig is NOT a CMV.


Bret;

That seems to be the problem most truck drivers have with the DOT.

I know you guys have a job to do just like I have one to do. I know we need the DOT to keep things safe out there on the road for all of us.

BUT I see vehicles every day that are over weight; unsafe; or being driven in a unsafe manner; and because they do not fall under the CMV rules nothing is done. Most troopers that are not trained in DOT rules do not know the law well enough to enforce it and the ones that are trained are after CMV's only.

Maybe one day after enough people are killed our goverment may take a stand and try to educate our public about trucks the way the railroad is doing about crossings. I bet we could ask 100 people from the general public about trucks; and 75% of them have no idea about how to act around trucks on the highway. I think I could back that up by quoting a recent survey/study that was done that shows most truck accidents are caused by the cars around him.

To me the guy hauling a yard of dirt on a single axle lawn mower trailer behind a S-10 pickup is more unsafe than a 80,000 lb load of dirt on a proper truck.

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Bret4207

09-10-2007 02:02:47




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 Re: Why the DOT has rules in reply to john in la, 09-09-2007 19:32:49  
John- As near as I can tell there are a lot of places where the DOT Inspectors aren't cops. We have a few here in NY. Of course a Trooper has to sit there with them while they do inspections as they can't take any enforcement action, so why have them? Got me.

Where I work we cover it all from domestics to murder to bald tires. It all depends on where you are. Used to be everyone up here complained about Candian trucks. These days I'll put 99% of the Ca. trucks up against US trucks and the Canuck will have less violations. Thats due to enforcement.

Other than having more cops out there writing more tickets, which is the only way I see to get compliance, I don't see an answer to stupidity, laziness, and plan old unsafe practices. Warnings just don't work. Of course now we'll see 347 guys post about the time THEY got a ticket and it was obvious the stupid cop was on the take, out to get them, didn't know his butt from a hole in the ground, etc., etc., ad nauseum. The same guys will throw a royal hissy fit when they see a violation on someone else's rig.

Oh well, such is life. As long as people keep breeding and getting their education from TV and movies I have job security.

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john in la

09-10-2007 06:07:56




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 Re: Why the DOT has rules in reply to Bret4207, 09-10-2007 02:02:47  
You have made some very good points..... ..

My state may have tried taken some steps in that direction but it still did not work.
We had a DOT cop that we call weight and standards. These are the same guys that run the scales. They were given extra power to where they can write a ticket to anyone for any violation much like a trooper. Problem is they use the power to write speeding tickets to trucks while the cars fly by.
We also took a section of our troopers and made them DOT cops but they consentrate on truck inspections only.

With that aside... I was talking about the education of the general public more than enforcment.
I could in any state in the US take a 17 year old person; have them get a car drivers licence; and with NO knowledge of how bigger rigs work; put him a loaded down U-Haul with a car hooked on the back; OR a 1 ton truck and a 35' 5th wheel RV behind it; and send him down the road.
Our drivers education system in the states is nul and void or of no use.

I think you can see what I mean by the questions and answers most put right here on this site about trucks.

Thanks for trying to keep our roads safe.
John

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Bret4207

09-10-2007 06:50:42




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 Re: Why the DOT has rules in reply to john in la, 09-10-2007 06:07:56  
You mean grampa grey hair with the 42' RV towing the Caddy? "What the heck was that thump Myrtle?" "I think that was that Dodge Neon you just sideswiped Henry" Or Joe 6 Pack with the 1 ton dually diesel and 5th wheel trailer loaded to the gills with propane, gas and ATVS? Oh yeah, and BEER, lotsa BEER. I can count the number of professinal truckers I've found booze on on one hand. I'm really getting to think we were safer when Dad hitched the pop up camper to the station wagon and drove 35 mph 'cuz he KNEW he was pushing things. As for Grampa and the RV- The AARP is the biggest lobbying organization in the States and there's no way any slimy politician worth his $400.00 haircut is gonna mess with them.

So you guys come up with some real answers that don't involve messing with AARP, the RV manufactuers, the "Sport Truck" industry, the trucking indusrty, the other various industies , support and lobbying groups and enthusiast groups that'll make everyone happy and I will personally run your campaign for President, Emperor, Dictator or whatever you want to be called and back you to the hilt. Until then I'll just keep kicking tires and checking log books and hope Granny doesn't run me over 'cuz she won't move off the white line!

Now where I'd put the Malox..... ..

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RodInNS

09-10-2007 08:03:05




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 Re: Why the DOT has rules in reply to Bret4207, 09-10-2007 06:50:42  
Yeah, that's grandpa, and just about every other soul on the road with those RV's. A buddy of mine runs a RV park and I spend some time there hanging around on odd days.... There's the guys that come in with the jetski hitched behind the 5th wheel trailer; the old guy in the 45' Prevost that can't see a darn thing around him but straight ahead (and that not too well); the yuppy with the ball hitch that can't back it up to save his life and then the old guy with the class C motorhome that can't use the mirrors to back into a lot. I get scared sitting there having a drink watching them...
Watch out on the road. It does irk me that we try to keep the truck up fairly well and the DOT comes after us anyway while these people go by, dangerous as they are, and never get bothered. It's not that I find the DOT to be bad here, but I hate watching those RV's going like that...

Rod

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Silver Pig

09-10-2007 03:02:46




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 Re: Why the DOT has rules in reply to Bret4207, 09-10-2007 02:02:47  
You have made many excellent points. The biggest and most positive 'sign' concerning job security is the recent lifting of the restrictions against Mexican trucks from our highways. Any agressive enforcement against these 'drivers' will no doubt lead to charges of harrasment and racial profiling. Once they find some judge to agree, then you will be prevented from even looking in their direction, much less stopping them for inspection.

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john *.?-!.* cub owner

09-09-2007 07:07:33




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 Re: Why the DOT has rules in reply to john in la, 09-08-2007 14:36:29  
That camper reminds me of a VW beetle I saw alongside the road on the way to college one morning in the late 60s. It had a large boat hitched to it. rig was about 2/3 way up a hill, with rear bumper on the ground and front wheels 3 feet in the air.



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RodInNS

09-08-2007 19:42:15




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 Re: Why the DOT has rules in reply to john in la, 09-08-2007 14:36:29  
Hmmmmm. Ya know, I just came from an auction today where I saw something just about as stupid. There was a trailer there that was made up from a 1 ton truck frame with a fairly large dump box on it. Now this was no average trailer. It was well built with a heavy front frame and a full fifth wheel plate and KING PIN set up to go behind a single axle shunt TRACTOR. That's all good. It looked weird, but fine. It sold, for what I didn't really pay any attention.... since it didn't really interest me. Anyway... the guy that bought it had a Chev dually with a factory box. The last I saw the thing, the Chevy was backed under the king pin, hitched, with the full frame of that trailer sitting INSIDE the truck box. He could go in one direction, and that was straight ahead. I don't know how far Homer got with it, but luckily there was a replacement truck box at the auction too...
I thought I saw it all, 'till I saw that.


Rod

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NC wayne

09-08-2007 17:46:20




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 Re: Why the DOT has rules in reply to john in la, 09-08-2007 14:36:29  
All fools ain't dead yet...their working on killing the rest of us....



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Cliff Neubauer

09-08-2007 17:00:31




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 Re: Why the DOT has rules in reply to john in la, 09-08-2007 14:36:29  
The sad thing is since it's an RV the DOT probably wouldn't bother the guy if he was pulling it down the highway. It seems like the DOT would rather bother a guy pulling an empty gooseneck trailer behind a full size truck than the guy pulling a 30' fifth wheel camper behind his S-10.



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Jim/Iowa

09-09-2007 09:53:28




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 Re: Why the DOT has rules in reply to Cliff Neubauer, 09-08-2007 17:00:31  
I once saw an IDOT/enforcemnt officer setting up to wiegh an EMPTY FLATBED SEMI! That's right, it was empty, but---the vehicle enforcement officer felt compelled to weigh it anyway. There is probably some legal requirement compelling him to act stupid in public. How else are we supposed to know that he is doing his job correctly---wasting government dollars!?



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maplehillfrm

09-08-2007 16:08:57




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 Re: Why the DOT has rules in reply to john in la, 09-08-2007 14:36:29  
I saw that a while ago I forget where it was,, on what site,, "supposedly" and HOPEFULLY!!!!! !!!!! !!!

the truck never actually goes very far, some sort of town law that you need to move your vehicles every so often. cant have anything sitting in one place for more than a few weeks or something,, so he beats the system by moving it from one end of the road in front of the yard to the other,, whether that is corrct or not I dont know,,


on the other hand,,, I wouldn't be surprised to see something like that going down the road,, and then have people say" this is the way to do this, always have done it like this,,, you just "..... ....",, people do play with OUR lives out there without even thinking twice about it,pat

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john in la

09-08-2007 16:58:15




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 Re: Why the DOT has rules in reply to maplehillfrm, 09-08-2007 16:08:57  
I kind of figured the guy was just moving the camper around his yard are something; because there is no way I can see any cop; from the smallest town local to the federal DOT; letting that thing go by him or her on the highway.

On the other hand..... As you said also.... I think the post shows what lengths some people will go to move things around.

I always see things on the side of the highway that have fallen because of not being tied down; Small trucks jacknifed because the trailer or load was to much for them; people killed because someone was trying to get from point A to point B in 15 mins when it is a 20 min trip; ect ect.

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rrlund

09-08-2007 15:42:26




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 Re: Why the DOT has rules in reply to john in la, 09-08-2007 14:36:29  
Reminds me of the time Dad and I hauled a 2 bottom Oliver plow home from Archbold in the back of a 58 Chevy station wagon. Did OK til we hit the rail road tracks out east of Charlotte Mi.



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georgeky

09-08-2007 15:26:44




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 Re: Why the DOT has rules in reply to john in la, 09-08-2007 14:36:29  
Saw that a couple weeks ago on another forum. Was wondering how it went with that guy. DOT would most certainly have a time with him.



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kurt:ky

09-08-2007 15:24:27




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 Re: Why the DOT has rules in reply to john in la, 09-08-2007 14:36:29  
That is why there is a DOT to prevent people from doing stupid things like this. You think that is bad, go see what some of the stupid country people do here with there big rigs.



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georgeky

09-08-2007 15:28:50




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 Re: Why the DOT has rules in reply to kurt:ky, 09-08-2007 15:24:27  
That sounds like you are implying that country people here are stupid.



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Wee Little Piglet

09-08-2007 20:14:02




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 Re: Why the DOT has rules in reply to georgeky, 09-08-2007 15:28:50  
If they are anything like the majority of those who post on here, why yes, they are STOOPID!
To all the yuppies, wanna-bee farmers, and small time gardeners, that post on here, READ and MEMORIZE the first sentence.



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Lanse

09-09-2007 09:41:59




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 Re: Why the DOT has rules in reply to Wee Little Piglet, 09-08-2007 20:14:02  
What is your problem. I'd call meself a small time gardener, because I dont know what a yuppie is :8 and forgot what you said third. Who says you have to be a farmer to like old tractors. A house and yard qualifies you to do what you will with it. I have a small vegtable operation (6 acres, 2 of em crop acres) and never said I was a farmer. There is a no-holes-barred bash board here for people like you.

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georgeky

09-08-2007 21:32:57




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 Re: Why the DOT has rules in reply to Wee Little Piglet, 09-08-2007 20:14:02  
You need a few lessons in manners and behaviour. Could use some work on your spelling as well. I guess if everyone were as smart as you, they wouldn't need to post here at all. You might want to check out the tractor wars forum. Sounds like you belong there.



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Woody Harrelson OR Woody

09-09-2007 09:22:10




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 Re: Why the DOT has rules in reply to John M, 09-09-2007 08:37:07  
Doing this from work, the European/Middle Eastern/African operations of the company I am presently consulting for are run from the UK.



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georgeky

09-09-2007 06:01:21




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 Re: Why the DOT has rules in reply to Wee Little Piglet, 09-09-2007 02:12:15  
I can already see that I have more sense in my little toe than you have all over you. Wise man or two told me that the only dumb question was one that wasn't ask. I didn't see anything on this site that says it is for farmaers only. It is for tractor enthusiast, whether they have a house and yard or 1000 acres. If you had any intelligence at all you would not be talking down to folks you don't know. Shows your lack of any character.

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Woody Harrelson OR Woody

09-09-2007 09:17:10




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 Re: Why the DOT has rules in reply to Doug N, 09-09-2007 03:52:24  
Good Question, I guess I just cannot resist p!ssing off the yuppies, wanna-bee farmers and small time gardeners, and I have to admit, just when I think that there can be nothing so stupid as a question someone comes up with, or the equally stupid reply, someone, someplace manages to reach a whole new level of stupidity.



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georgeky

09-09-2007 15:46:50




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 Re: Why the DOT has rules in reply to Woody Harrelson OR Woody, 09-09-2007 09:17:10  
I can assure you I am neither. I have farmed all my life full time with the exception of 6 years I served in the US Army. You need to take your smart a$$ and serve for a while. They will teach you manners and Espirit de corps. You are the one who started with stupid replies, and are showing your true colors.



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georgeky

09-09-2007 15:46:27




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 Re: Why the DOT has rules in reply to Woody Harrelson OR Woody, 09-09-2007 09:17:10  
I can assure you I am neither. I have farmed all my life full time with the exception of 6 years I served in the US Army. You need to take your smart a$$ and serve for a while. They will teach you manners and Espirit de corps. You are the one who started with stupid replies, and are showing your true colors.



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Doug N

09-08-2007 15:07:58




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 Re: Why the DOT has rules in reply to john in la, 09-08-2007 14:36:29  
That's unbelievable. That's the first I've seen that one. Amazing what people will try. Doug N



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Fawteen

09-08-2007 15:21:59




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 Re: Why the DOT has rules in reply to Doug N, 09-08-2007 15:07:58  
"Hold my beer and watch this..."



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Lanse

09-08-2007 16:04:36




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 Re: Why the DOT has rules in reply to Fawteen, 09-08-2007 15:21:59  
dont soill it either!!!



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Lanse

09-08-2007 16:25:08




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 Re: Why the DOT has rules in reply to Lanse, 09-08-2007 16:04:36  
sp-sp-spill.....it.....huhhuhhuh



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