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Can this shaft be welded part 2

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John S-B

09-05-2007 19:42:34




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Well I took the shaft into the shop today and they said as worn as it was there would be a chance of runout from the heat of welding. They said they could make me a new one with a keyway in both ends for around $50. I said SOLD! The shaft is about 5' long and 1 1/4" in dia., with the price of steel and what shipping would cost, I figured it would be a good deal.




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dej(jed)

09-06-2007 05:05:56




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 Re: Can this shaft be welded part 2 in reply to John S-B, 09-05-2007 19:42:34  
If you don't use a metal with the required hardness value , you will be disappointed.
Metal comes in all hardness ranges. I have had some shafts for various applications made, only to have them twist or snap off. Good luck though!



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Don-Wi

09-06-2007 09:33:19




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 Re: Can this shaft be welded part 2 in reply to dej(jed), 09-06-2007 05:05:56  
Most shafts, on most farm equipment, are just a 1018 cold rolled steel, nothing fancy. If it needed to be stronger, the maker would ussually just go up one size until it did what it was required to do. Hardened shafts cost money, so most companies will go with bigger vs. hardened.

Hardened sprockets, however, are a bit more common because they are a main wear point on most machines.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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John S-B

09-06-2007 05:42:36




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 Re: Can this shaft be welded part 2 in reply to dej(jed), 09-06-2007 05:05:56  
This shaft drives the header on a windrower, sickle cutter, reel and rollers. It's belt driven, so the belts will slip before it twists or breaks the shaft.



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Don-Wi

09-06-2007 00:04:19




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 Re: Can this shaft be welded part 2 in reply to John S-B, 09-05-2007 19:42:34  
I take it the original shaft only has a regular keyway on each end then? If that's the case, yes there is no way welding would be better than a new one.

$50 sounds about right. The material would be maybe $10 (1 1/4 is a common size shaft)
Time to cut (2) 1/4" keyways, even 4" long on each end, 15 minutes cut time.

Can't charge for the set-up time, and in reality it'll probably take about 1 hr to do it, but I used to work at a shop like that. They delt with the small guy every day. While they didn't bring in the big dollar jobs that way, that was their customer base.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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John S-B

09-06-2007 05:47:27




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 Re: Can this shaft be welded part 2 in reply to Don-Wi, 09-06-2007 00:04:19  
A couple of weeks ago I took in a collar that I had to cut to get off. (tried EVERYTHING) I had them weld the cut and they charged me $2.00. Felt like I should'a gave them 5 just cause they did it right then, no waiting.



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Mike (WA)

09-06-2007 09:57:21




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 Re: Can this shaft be welded part 2 in reply to John S-B, 09-06-2007 05:47:27  
I feel like I'm undercharged for most machine work. Don't recall that I've ever been shocked by how big the bill is, like I regularly am with parts and mechanical work.



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Don-Wi

09-06-2007 09:07:24




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 Re: Can this shaft be welded part 2 in reply to John S-B, 09-06-2007 05:47:27  
Where are you at? Sounds like you found a heckuva good shop to deal with.

Donovan from Wisconsin



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John S-B

09-06-2007 09:12:29




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 Re: Can this shaft be welded part 2 in reply to Don-Wi, 09-06-2007 09:07:24  
Central Oh., western Delaware Co.



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Kevin (FL)

09-05-2007 20:16:38




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 Re: Can this shaft be welded part 2 in reply to John S-B, 09-05-2007 19:42:34  
John,

Run, don't walk to that shop to get the job done. With those kind of prices they won't be in business long. I missed your part 1 post but I assume you've verified the material spec on the shaft for your application?



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John S-B

09-05-2007 20:27:01




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 Re: Can this shaft be welded part 2 in reply to Kevin (FL), 09-05-2007 20:16:38  
The shaft is already sitting there ready to be copied. They said it should be done by Friday. This shop also make a lot of industrial feed chutes and conveyers, so I think they should know what they're doing. And thanks to the guys who responded to part 1.



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