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Stumpalump

08-29-2007 11:43:58




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Two collered black labs pushed down my fence and got to my kids pet rabbit. The rabbit was in a secure cage so they just pulled it to death. I walked out as they were after the other rabbit and I could have legaly and justifiably shot them both for killing our animal. I have never seen the dogs before but they looked well kept except for running loose. I said "bad dog" and they knew what that meant so they left. I called the county and they basically told me I could have killed them. That would be killing sombody elses pet and I couldn't do that. Dogs will be dogs. What would you have done? Poor bunny. What a way to go.

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Goose

08-30-2007 10:34:50




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to Stumpalump, 08-29-2007 11:43:58  
Two stray dogs showed up here about a month ago and created total chaos. The tried to get into my house by jumping against the door, etc. They soon migrated to a farmhouse I rent out and were creating havoc there. They had a three year old boy treed on a picnic table, were snapping at a ten year old girl's arm and leg, etc.

I told the kid's mother to take the kids for a drive for a little while. When she left, I put that malarky to a screeching halt in a hurry.

I discussed it with the County Sheriff a few days later, and he said if I could nail a couple of stray dogs with a 9mm automatic he should make me a Reserve Deputy.

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gatorhide

08-29-2007 20:34:00




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to Stumpalump, 08-29-2007 11:43:58  

Well I've noticed that most dog shooters are quick on the keyboard to brag about the shooting of a dog or dogs, sometimes even shooting their own dog/dogs, as well as shooting a known neighbors dog/dogs. Certainly any stray dog/dogs will stand no chance against these dog gun slingers. I can understand that a dog's owner is to corral his own dogs, however, sometimes a dog can and will escape, it's what they do. If given the same oppurtunity to shoot any stay livestock, should I myself exact this same measure of justice/revenge upon your own stay livestock that may have wandered upon my own property ?
After all, livestock will get out when given any oppurtunity to do so, just like a dog will. That's why you yourself have built fences to keep them corraled correct ? Would you dog shooters squell like a pig/hog yourself if some of your livestock should come up missing one day?
If you checked with your neighbors/friends about your missing livestock, they might have learned something here lying about their own chosen actions, the three S,S,S, that oh so many cowards like to brag about and refer to as the only solution. Intersting look into the often open spoken sickness of the human mind I guess.....
Unfortunetly this same type of mindset/personality is all too often, what happens to the missing persons from all across this country as well. Are any reigning dog shooters involved with this ??? I don't know, perhaps some are. A sad situation and scary indeed..... ..., they walk among us normal people. third party image

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Tradititonal Farmer

08-30-2007 03:52:52




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to gatorhide, 08-29-2007 20:34:00  
Apparently you have never had hundreds of dollars worth of livestock killed and maimed by
stray dogs.I have and the law gives me the right to shoot any dog(s) harasing or killing my livestock.



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Billy NY

08-29-2007 22:01:18




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to gatorhide, 08-29-2007 20:34:00  
This is kind of starting and or stirring a hornets nest in the wrong direction, and each to their own on that, debate, argue what have you, not my intent to inflame this into something it's not.

I share my experiences to make a point based on facts I have seen first hand.

These domestic dogs in my sitution long ago were outright gone off the deep end becasue the owners let it happen and they had been allowed to get a firm hold for quite awhile, reproducing etc., It was a severe case of animal abuse, and obviously no 2 situations will be the same. The main point here was that they have the potential and can become a real problem in a short period of time if nothing is done about it. Three SSS's - well if your hiding something illegal that's what you do, I lived right next to a state police barracks then and they knew the deal and heard the shots, there was nothing to hide here, most of them also lived in rural areas and would have done the same without hesitation, to boot all of them back then served this country honorably, so if there was a problem, they'd have intervened.

I don't think there is any practical discussion of it any further, I realize now that I probably should have passed up this thread, but it really irks me to see the results of what has happened with no recourse to correct the situation, be it lethal or some lesser means when it comes to dogs that attack unprovoked.

I think it's common knowledge all animals will defy fences and means to keep them confined, the problem is when a particular species such as a dog reverts to their wild instincts, and hunts for food in packs when their owners do not provide for them, whereas this can easily become an inherent danger to non aggressive penned up livestock and human beings in the right situation. Their behaviour can stem from a variety of things, no food, abuse, the need to run or whatever. The worst is when an owner abuses or just harbors mean dogs, and they get free as happens with one particular breed we see on the news all so often. I lived the problem, and I unfortunately had no choice but to deal with it harshly, with the justification to rid our place of an obvious hazard caused by abusive neighbors who had over 2 dozen dogs + the wild ones in the back in abandoned buildings. It can happen, and the results can be very ugly, the horse was lame after that and had to be eventually put down after 2 years of daily treatment, the girl suffered terrible injuries, because some miserable old lady was inbreeding some of the nastiest german shepherds I've ever seen, they got out and guess what happened.

By the same token if a kid teases or taunts a dog, fools with one when it's hot or is eating, then gets bit, no, you don't shoot the dog. Dog comes out of my neighbors yard all the time, hair raised, snarling, I show no fear and yell at him, no, you don't shoot the dog then either, he's protecting the place, but the owner still has a responsibility to maintain control of the dog.


Missing persons ? We are talking about dogs here, specifically ones that potentially attack other animals and or people, and the recourse one has to mitigate the hazard.

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JOE MOORE

08-31-2007 18:02:03




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to Billy NY, 08-29-2007 22:01:18  
I shoot neighbors dogs with a slingshot those steel pellets are heavy and I am good..or BB gun...other varmints get the bullet...the neighbors animals soon learn..



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JOE MOORE

08-31-2007 18:01:57




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to Billy NY, 08-29-2007 22:01:18  
I shoot neighbors dogs with a slingshot those steel pellets are heavy and I am good..or BB gun...other varmints get the bullet...the neighbors animals soon learn..



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buickanddeere

08-30-2007 06:58:07




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to Billy NY, 08-29-2007 22:01:18  
Well said.



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buickanddeere

08-29-2007 20:26:10




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to Stumpalump, 08-29-2007 11:43:58  
SSS. That sweet wee bunny wasn't the 1st animal they killed. Chasing a animal in the woods is one thing. Cornering it in a cage is something else.



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Mark Anderson

08-29-2007 19:54:25




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to Stumpalump, 08-29-2007 11:43:58  
Looks like it's open season on livestock running loose .When dogs are visious yes they have to go, but have seen enough horses, cows,ect. running loose that I think it's best to give the owners at least one chance. Call the proper auth. thats what you pay taxes for and let them take care of the problem.



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Clint Youse MO

08-29-2007 19:47:22




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to Stumpalump, 08-29-2007 11:43:58  
Three S rule on the dog dont worry though they will be back looking for blood again on the cattle in the state of MO if they are a nuisance and have been reported more than once load them up haul to sale barn sell in neighbors name and take a healthy trucking fee out seen this done one time and new fences got built might want to check local laws for your area.



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SDE

08-29-2007 19:15:32




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to Stumpalump, 08-29-2007 11:43:58  
I shot a dog that had chased a deer pass my tree stand. I felt bad about it later and still regret it. The beagle was chasing it and this dog was just along for the ride.

Do onto others as you would want them to do onto you.

Steve



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The Dukester

08-29-2007 19:24:47




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to SDE, 08-29-2007 19:15:32  
I shot a dog that came to our house to visit and probably breed one of our dogs that was in heat. Wife was moaning about it and I got tired of hearing it, so Pow...bye, bye dog. I buried it pronto after I found a tag on it and found out it belonged to a neighbor about 2 miles away. Bad Thing...I'll never do something like that again....



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old

02-07-2010 17:53:08




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Well not sure since I got the female dog when I got my wife it was her dog. She was short and had long hair like the Aus has but other then that I don't no. Oh and here is my Co-pilots son. He is a spooky pup since he was born on Halloween. His mother was a full pit and his dad you have seen. He is so mean he will lick you to death LOL. Oh be careful looking at the picture you might go blind from seeing the ugly one. ME

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Crem

01-07-2011 17:39:04




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 Re: OT How did you choose your career? in reply to bkpigs, 01-07-2011 11:59:03  
I grew up on a farm and after high school I worked in a neighboring apple orchard for two years. It was fun in the summer but crawling up in a tree in the winter when it was 10 degrees out changed my mind. I quit and went to vocational school for auto mechanics and found a job at a small shop. That turned out to be a dirty, pressure to get jobs out without any help awakening. The local large factory had some job openings. I put in an application and about a week later I called them back and they told me to come over. I started in the punch press dept which was hard work and monotonous. I worked the night shifts and went back to school in Industrial electronics. After completing two years of school with very little sleep the company was just starting maintenance apprenticeship programs. I got into the Mechanical program and after 5 years of that I applied for the Electrical maintenance. That is where I ended up and am now retired after 39 years at that company. I didn't have any real plan but just kept trying to improve whatever I could. I have some tractors and implements that I play with and that is what draws me to this and the Tool Talk site.

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Larry D.

08-29-2007 18:00:51




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to Stumpalump, 08-29-2007 11:43:58  
I had the same thing happen a couple yrs ago, it was about Midnite, This Dog Pack ran through the Yard Pulled Our pet rabbits Leg off and It Bled to Death,,, I'd Have Loved for this to happen in the Day Time...mass dead Dogs! for sure..But thats just my take on that situation Larry KF4LKU



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John A.

08-29-2007 17:42:11




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to Stumpalump, 08-29-2007 11:43:58  
Stump,,,,S.,S.,S.,
Shoot!
Shovel!
Shut-The-Thunder-UP!
That is the Law West of the Sabine, and South of the Red River.
John A.



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the Unforgiven

08-29-2007 16:25:51




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to Stumpalump, 08-29-2007 11:43:58  
Don't know if you should have shot them or not, I would have dropped them.



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Greg_Ky

08-29-2007 15:15:36




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to Stumpalump, 08-29-2007 11:43:58  
I would not of hesitated for one second to destroy the dogs.BTDT.



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Billy NY

08-29-2007 14:04:53




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to Stumpalump, 08-29-2007 11:43:58  
No question or hesitation, I would have shot them both. I'd have no reservations about it when it comes to fenced in livestock, even if it were a darned mouse, I've done it before when I was a kid, we had problems with em here and our livetstock, love dogs, but by the same token, when they go bad, they got to go, no questions asked when something like that occurs, and it's usually not very often. In my opinion it has a lot to do with the owner of the dogs, how a person can harbor an aggressive or mean dog, for anything other than K-9 duty or situations where they are needed for security or other trained purposes, makes no sense. What if that was an eldery person or a child, I know a girl that was mauled as a child, I've been bitten several times which required lots of stitches and medical attention, it hurts and is very frightening for a child, agressive dogs have to go period. I had to get over my fear of them, and now, I have no fear, will use my bare hands, stick rocks if caught by surprise. I had to put up with a neighbors mean dogs, a pair of em, would come after me everytime I left the house when in highschool, I had to carry a folding knife and I'd have slit and stuck em both had either gotten close enough, one was a big ole shepherd, they attacked a lady with a baby carriage, I called the appropriate authorities, they came, dogs were too aggressive, he shot both adults and each puppy right in front of the family, left one pup, said if it turns out like the rest he will come back and do the same. This guy was taking no crap and that was the end of that problem, yep I was the bad guy, they don't correct themselves, they only get worse, he did the right thing, they'd have torn that infant apart like your rabbit.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not the trigger happy idiot who shoots dogs running loose, might have escaped, got out, I'll give em that, and you're right about being someone's pet, but there is a line, the slightest hint of aggression requires action, around here it's lethal, have to remember they are carnivores and once they turn, no going back.

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Al -VA

08-29-2007 14:51:00




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to Billy NY, 08-29-2007 14:04:53  
What would you expect if your prized livestock happened to get loose?



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Billy NY

08-29-2007 20:10:26




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to Al -VA, 08-29-2007 14:51:00  
Something you have to deal with, even with the best fence maintenance and using care to avoid those situations, with the intent to mind your own business, it happens, horses and other livestock don't behave like a agressive dogs that pair or pack up if they get out, you have to be responsible for that, when I was a kid I had to deal with it quite a bit, it's no fun, and I was not a big fan of those horses for a variety of reasons, but I was entrusted to take care of them, something I was born into, not something I chose to do. If someone takes offense and shoots a loose horse, cow, bull, pig, sheep, what have you, well it's their conscience they have to live with.

I've seen plenty of friendly stray's, they get fed and taken care of until someone can claim em, you do what a good neighbor should, but when you got someone nearby with abandoned farm buildings and 2 dozen or even just a pair of dogs running, it's a problem. Even just a few or the odd situation as described here, it ain't right that someone elses problem becomes yours when they attack something of yours unprovoked, like savage carnivores that are hunting for a meal to survive. Yeah dogs will be dogs and that is fine, I'm talking about when they cross the line.

Say you invest in a horse, train with the best rider, feed, vet bills, all the rest, + all the hard work, whatever, you compete as a hobby, or as a pro, and while your horse is stabled on your property, someones problem dogs are on the loose and corner the horse into a fence while in the pasture, causing very serious injury to your horse. We're talking a chunk of flesh a 4" x 12" flap hanging. You bought the land, you pay the taxes, you work to provide for your family and your farm endeavors whatever they may be, and it's ok that you lose a substantial investment because some idiot harbors dogs that are agressive, dangerous and are on the loose without any care as to what damage they do. This happened here and I shot every last one of those wild ones, some on their property when the pack decided I was next, or should I have let em maul me, then let a judge decide, that is if I survived.

Someone surprises and attacks you, do you A.) defend yourself in self preservation? B.) Take the beating and take the chance that you will not be killed, seriously injured and hope the legal system works ? I took choice A.) once, the assailant ended up on a stretcher almost dead, and I had my day in court, the guy was a known violent criminal with a long violent rap sheet and would have killed me if I did not defend myself. It still cost me $600.00 for counsel and the ridiculus charges were dropped and I was uninjured. I had no idea what I was dealing with at the time, asssailant was a lune fueled by drugs, quite strong and hard to combat due to the drugs, same is true when dogs go bad, you can't take that chance.

People just don't realize, that dogs can and will get out of hand very quickly and when they multiply unchecked, you get what we had here 35 years ago, a large pack of dangerous dogs that were hungry, vicious and there was no animal control person to call nor anyone that would do something, heck the road there was not even paved then, telephone poles still had glass insulators, party line service, it's funny now they want to put a walmart there.

I did not even ask permission to use a firearm back then, I taught myself to shoot for the most part with some safety guidance from adults when I could get them to spend a few minutes with me at this very young age, and I did what needed to be done because of what I saw going on. I used to get into trouble because I was not afraid to figure things out on my own, running the tractor was one and firearms was the other. My father worked a lot back then as did most parents, kids had to fend for themselves and learn on their own if they were to become useful around the farms. Kind of odd but true. I've seen this problem in many different settings, most in rural areas, our town was still quite rural back then. Each time the dogs become more agressive and a bigger problem, you can't afford to take chances with them, you should see the scars on the girl I know that was mauled, she covered her face, but it aint no joke, they packed up and got her, she was lucky someone got to her in time.

It literally took years to rid this area of them. Years ago it was fine for kids to roam on farmland, and what I saw in those abandoned barns, dead dogs, some with collars, others cannibalizing them, snarling teeth, I had no idea the danger I put myself in that day, and was lucky not to have alerted the pack which was not that far away, down by the decrepid and derelict run down farm that was still inhabited by some real strange people, it was frightening to ride by the place in the back of a pick up truck. We used to use that road to get to the back of our place. I was fortunate to have my german short haired pointer with me that day, for some reason they wanted nothing to do with him and I that day, and I carefully backed away, and never went back unarmed. Our placed bordered theirs, you could not even go out on your own property without the threat of this pack. Don't think for one minute dogs won't revert to their wild ways given a chance, give em an inch, they'll take a mile, and it's people that cause this problem, not the dogs. I'd do the same again if I had to, thankfully those days are long over, but not forgotten.

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Big Hunter

08-29-2007 14:04:51




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to Stumpalump, 08-29-2007 11:43:58  
I have a male lab that runs some. He goes to a horse farm about a mile away swims in their pool and retrieves the guys golf balls as he is praticing and just hangs out. The first time my dog ran away we didn't know where he went, 3 days later the lady at this horse farm called and told us he was there. I went to pick him up and she said to me..."He's been here for 3 days he's such a nice dog and our dog was having so much fun playing with him. He runs over there about once a week, been doing that for aboutgeesh 6 months. GOOD GRIEF

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Big Hunter

08-29-2007 14:15:29




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to Big Hunter, 08-29-2007 14:04:51  
Yeah if any dog was hurting or scareing one of our animals I would shoot it with a pellet gun. It's enough to burn him but not kill



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Lanse

08-29-2007 13:58:22




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to Stumpalump, 08-29-2007 11:43:58  
Bang.

Is my theory. I'm in PETA but anything comes and messes with my animals does'nt get away with it. The Sheep can (and have) defended themselves against people / teenagers (another story) but the chickens cant, and so any dog that comes on here gets nailed with a pellet gun. If it does any damage, I call the neighbor (always out shooting) and he takes care of it. I'm not worried about tresspassers, the sheep will fight them off if they mess with them, and I have 3 real mean roosters in with my chickens.

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JD9295

08-29-2007 14:31:11




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to Lanse, 08-29-2007 13:58:22  
now how can you sit here and tell us your in PETA and then say you would shoot the dog for doing what is natural lanse?
Seems you need to decide which side of the rail your gonna lean on when you grow up, cant be both



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Lanse

08-29-2007 15:30:04




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to JD9295, 08-29-2007 14:31:11  
Not many people in my town know I'm in PETA, or a vegitarian. Trust me, you'de never guess.

How can I shoot a dog for doing what it natrally does? Well, I can not shoot 1 dog and loose 5 sheep, or I can shoot fast, and bury deep, keep the beloved sheep and ferdilise their pasture.

I'm active for factory farmed chickens, and sheep, as well as pigs, and dairy cows, its a real good way to get me fired up.

I hate horses, and cats. But my animals can defend themselves from humans, and my own dog, but anything elce that goes in gets carried out.

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rustin

08-29-2007 22:13:36




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to Lanse, 08-29-2007 15:30:04  
What an idiot! BUT then again, this don't surprise me coming from someone that is PETA affiliated!



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Paul Shuler

08-29-2007 15:20:39




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to JD9295, 08-29-2007 14:31:11  
Doesnt PETA mean people eating tasty animals. Sign me up.
Paul



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Stumpalump

08-29-2007 15:18:58




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to JD9295, 08-29-2007 14:31:11  
PETA People Eating Tasty Animals. Right?



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havvey

08-29-2007 13:47:32




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to Stumpalump, 08-29-2007 11:43:58  
A more moden approch would be to find the dogs owner and seek financial damage. My neighbor did just that. The owner does not let her horses and dogs run free anymore she had to pay big bucks in restitution. Same for trespassers/mudrunners he don't have many visitors these days!!



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Tradititonal Farmer

08-29-2007 13:35:37




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to Stumpalump, 08-29-2007 11:43:58  
Black Labs are some of the worst on livestock I'd of shot them in a second.I keep a Mini 14 with me all the time for such things



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dhermesc

08-29-2007 13:14:25




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to Stumpalump, 08-29-2007 11:43:58  
"...I could have killed them. That would be killing sombody elses pet and I couldn't do that. Dogs will be dogs"

Wasn't the bunny a pet too? Didn't seem to slow the dogs down.

I've asked my neighbors to take pop shots at my dog if they see him roaming - I've also asked that they miss. My dog is smart enough to know when he's off the reservation and he only does it when he thinks no one is around. Takes him about three months to "forget" being shot at before he starts wondering around again.

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mike in new mexico

08-29-2007 12:56:01




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to Stumpalump, 08-29-2007 11:43:58  
I would killed them both because now they will be back !



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old

08-29-2007 12:40:57




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to Stumpalump, 08-29-2007 11:43:58  
In a case like that I like to pepper them with a shot gun. I use a very small shot type BB and wait till they are out of kill range but close enough to get the feel of the BBs. Or use a Kids BB gun to do the same thing again will not kill unless you get a lucky shot but sure does teach them a lession

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Bus Driver

08-29-2007 15:07:59




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to old, 08-29-2007 12:40:57  
Once I did as old suggests. Blinded the dog in one eye. Really caught the devil about that. Now Shoot, Shovel, Shutup.



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Clint Youse MO

08-29-2007 12:32:35




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to Stumpalump, 08-29-2007 11:43:58  
I ussually dont shoot if just running loose because my dog does most of the time and all the nieghbors around here have an understanding if it is a pest destroy it nothing said it just doesnot come home for supper We got a new neighbor came in from ST Louis bought the worst farm in three counties for what you could buy 2 good ones for but he wanted hunting ground He waved me down one day just to talk and noticed I had a rifle laying in the seat (had been shooting coons out of feed shed) asked me what it was for told him pest and varmints he asked what kinda pest I told him dogs that chase cattle usually he thought that was cruel I told him I dont bother them unless they bother mine or the nieghbors cows this is our way of life and we gotta protect our stock he seen the point then.

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KIP in MX

08-29-2007 12:28:20




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to Stumpalump, 08-29-2007 11:43:58  
On owners property, they are dogs. As soon as they stray, they are domestic coyotes, and coyote season is always open. Who knows what they killed after they left your place. IŽll give a neighbor one notice about his dog running, but dogs IŽve never seen before are SOL and SSS.



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rrlund

08-29-2007 12:22:14




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to Stumpalump, 08-29-2007 11:43:58  
I don't know what to think on this one. Been on both sides. Have had dogs that ran from time to time that weren't bad dogs,never did any harm that I know of. Wouldn't have blamed anybody for shooting them if they had just cause. On the other hand,had a pit bull come around one time,tormenting cattle. Figured I'd better call the dog warden. Told him he had 15 minutes to come take care of him or I'd shoot to kill.He told me I'd better not or I could be arrested. I told him he'd better either be recording the call or taking notes,because I had warned him and if I went to court,he was going with me because I'd called and warned him. Well,when he got here,he pulled out a .22 and took a few shots at the mean lookin critter. I never took a shot at it,but it never came back.

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Walt Davies

08-29-2007 12:21:19




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to Stumpalump, 08-29-2007 11:43:58  
Its always best to let the proper authorities deal with these kind of things so as to keep from getting into a big fight with the neighbors that you need to live next to. Most times if the sheriff shows up at their door they take it a little more seriously and you don't have to go to court for shooting their dogs.
You could be right but then it might cost you a lot to prove that you are right.
Walt

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georgeky

08-29-2007 14:41:00




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to Walt Davies, 08-29-2007 12:21:19  
Walt, calling the law on neighbors causes more hard feelings than there dogs disappearing will ever cause. You don't have to tell them you shot their dog.



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Mike (WA)

08-29-2007 12:19:06




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to Stumpalump, 08-29-2007 11:43:58  
Sad to hear about your rabbit- I'm a little soft-hearted about somebody else's pet, too, but would sure try to find their owner and tell him that they had already used up their "freebie". I'm reminded of when we bought half of an old fellow's farm in the '70's. He continued to live and run cattle on the other half. He said, "My dogs are used to coming out here on this property, and I figure they won't understand the change in ownership. If they give your cattle any trouble, just shoot 'em. If you don't have a rifle, come borrow mine. I won't put up with an animal that bothers stock, and you shouldn't, either." They never gave me a problem, and I'm pretty sure they ran off a coyote from my herd one night.

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georgeky

08-29-2007 12:14:56




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to Stumpalump, 08-29-2007 11:43:58  
I give most dogs one mistake. Then I unload on them. I have even shot my own dogs for chasing neighbors cattle. I usually shoot them the first time with a shotgun at a distance that will only make them sore for a while. That uaually works. If not I let one of the rifles handle it after that. I do not tolerate any pit bulls, or any dog that shows any sign of being vicious. I think you done right in this case, but if it happens again I would cure the problem with the old Marlin.

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RodInNS

08-29-2007 12:13:05




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to Stumpalump, 08-29-2007 11:43:58  
I probably would have shot the rabbit.... long ago... but, back to the question... I'd shoot the dogs too. If the owners let them roam that much, they probably won't miss them anyway, and you do have the right to protect your property from them, or at least we do here.

Rod



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midwest redneck

08-29-2007 12:11:59




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to Stumpalump, 08-29-2007 11:43:58  
I would have shot them, plain and simple. Any dog on your land that is destroying land or livestock can legally be shot. I have seen on the news that killing a dog is a misdemoner (spelling error) I heard that after seeing Michael Vicks apology. I have a neighbor about 1/4 mile away that used to let his doberman run loose, I sent the guy a real $hitt? letter a few years ago saying that his dog is open season if I see it on my property again. (I dont put up with that *rap) I have a 6 year old boy. He now keeps his dog in a fenced in yard.

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08-29-2007 12:06:43




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to Stumpalump, 08-29-2007 11:43:58  
There was a neighbor of mine coon hunting on land he was allowed to hunt on and a resident who lived in the area let his two pit bulls out unattended.These two pits intercepted the Walker hound while he was tracking a coon and absolutly tore him apart.Ended up these two pits just ran away cause they never came home again.



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rhouston

08-29-2007 11:55:01




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to Stumpalump, 08-29-2007 11:43:58  
In the country it is accepted that if my dog eats your animals on your property you have the right to shoot them. If they were mine and you had shot them I would be sad, but would consider it my fault for not restraining the dogs. That is how I was brought up. Unfortunatley that is not how some people will see it. The law was on your side.



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Patrick Martin

08-30-2007 12:33:08




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to rhouston, 08-29-2007 11:55:01  

rhouston said: (quoted from post at 11:55:01 08/29/07) In the country it is accepted that if my dog eats your animals on your property you have the right to shoot them. If they were mine and you had shot them I would be sad, but would consider it my fault for not restraining the dogs. That is how I was brought up. Unfortunatley that is not how some people will see it. The law was on your side.


Same here I agree!

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Steven f/AZ

08-29-2007 11:50:57




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to Stumpalump, 08-29-2007 11:43:58  
On Dad"s farm we usually call the neighbors the first time their dogs show up and cause trouble. We also let them know that next time their dog won"t be coming home. When they come back they suffer from a case of lead poisoning.



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mark

08-29-2007 17:51:47




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to Steven f/AZ, 08-29-2007 11:50:57  
I don't run any cattle...but my neighbors do and one of them hasn't learned the fine art of fence buildin'.

More than once, I've looked out and seen half a dozen head standing in the garden helping themselves.

I guess it's OK to kill cattle too, ain't it? Of course, they're just being cattle..but they'd gone bad and went through the fence and destroyed my property. I suppose the next time it happens (and it will), instead of calling and being neighborly, I'll just grab a deer rifle and lay them low. Then, I'll take the FEL and haul them off...or hang'em and butcher'em. Don't know what I'd do with 3,000 pounds of fresh beef, make a lot of hamburgers I reckon.

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Hey old....

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That I-6 wouldn't be near Amoret, Mo would it. Seems like a yellow one like it 'sold' on ebay in Feb '06. Here's the link. Wish it was closer.



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08-29-2007 19:46:30




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to Steven f/AZ, 08-29-2007 18:44:47  
Steven,

Use your brain and think for a minute. Regardless of the brute..they have a tendency to do what comes natural...whether it's a dog killing a rabbit or a cow going through a fence.

To make a difference because of the critter committing the offense is what divides folks. Suddenly the farmer thinks HIS critter is excepted, while dog's deserve the instant death penalty. That's bullshit.

Regardless of the animal...if it's yours, you need to keep it on your place. But to drag out the artillery and start laying waste to folks animals whether it's a dog or a cow is a bit extreme.

I call my neighbor and tell him his cattle are out. I'm not about to kill them because they don't know any better. Neither does the dog down the road know anything but his instincts. But I'll tell you this...whatever measure is meted unto me, I will return the favor. If a man calls and says your dog is making trouble...I'll do my best to keep it home and by the same token, I'll tell him his cattle are out on my place. If he shoots my dog, I'll eat his cows.

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Steven f/AZ

08-29-2007 20:06:21




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to mark, 08-29-2007 19:46:30  
Good point, but you haven"t changed my mind.



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onefarmer

08-30-2007 05:47:04




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to Steven f/AZ, 08-29-2007 20:06:21  
While animals will be animals and the owner is responsible for damages. A cow will damage property that is repairable. A dog killing a caged rabbit is differant. How can you repair a dead rabbit. Might be a rabbit today, a cat tomorrow, and your kid the next day. Cow just wants to get out and eat the "greener grass" on the other side. If the dog was just a visitor thats fine, chase him home. But when he starts killing, it's time for dead dog.

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08-30-2007 11:26:47




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to onefarmer, 08-30-2007 05:47:04  
onefarmer,

Well..rabbits are mighty hard to replace..and expensive too...especially heartbreaking is when you get so attached to ol' Bug's. Nothing like raising up and training a pet rabbit to bring in the newspaper, play catch, retrieve ducks, guard the house, tree squirrels, dig out groundhogs and herd cows. I've changed my mind..it's an eye for an eye and a dog for a rabbit.

Kill'em all. Kill anything and everything that comes on your place that walks on four legs and most of what is on two legs. Because no doubt...they're up to no good just for being there. Go ahead..you're within your rights, kill it.

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onefarmer

08-31-2007 13:36:46




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to mark, 08-30-2007 11:26:47  
Well if my dog came onto your place and killed your rabbit, cat, dog or whatever I would expect you to shoot it. I wouldn"t like it but I would certainly understand. Any dog willing to break into a cage to kill, will kill or possibly attack anything else. And I will stop them.

My neighbor and close friend came over with his dog which instantly killed one of my cats. I went to get my gun. Luckily he took the dog straight home. I told him if he ever brought that dog over again I"d shoot it on sight. He didn"t and we were and still are friends

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BigMarv1085

08-30-2007 14:11:08




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to mark, 08-30-2007 11:26:47  
Call Michael Vick



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08-30-2007 14:15:22




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 Re: Should I have shot them? in reply to BigMarv1085, 08-30-2007 14:11:08  
Got his number?



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