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Lanse

08-23-2007 16:44:51




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Well, turns out I dont know it all ;D

anyway, if you get a tractor with a stuck engine, can you free-up the engine and not have to tear it up and rebuild it? I'd think not, but thats why I'm asking.




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billyar

08-24-2007 08:18:09




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 Re: stupid question in reply to Lanse, 08-23-2007 16:44:51  
If it is a valve inhead engine it can done with air pressure on 2 cylinders.



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buickanddeere

08-24-2007 07:40:52




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 Re: stupid question in reply to Lanse, 08-23-2007 16:44:51  
The engine was running fine, the machine parked in a shed and now the starter won't turn it? Machine sitting outside, maybe full or water/rust/mouse nests and machine found sitting condition unknown? Gaskets are cheap. Pulling the head & oilpan isn't so bad. New valve guides, new valve seats, new valve seals & checking the valve spring pressure is not expensive. Odds are the engines due for at least that much anyways. A seized engine could be stuck valves.Turn it hard enough and you will bu$t part$.

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old

08-23-2007 19:17:31




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 Re: stupid question in reply to Lanse, 08-23-2007 16:44:51  
Yep can be dome BTDT a good number of times and out of 20 plus I have only had 2 that I couldn't get unstuck and I run the ones I still have on and off a lot with no problem. Just depends on why the locked up and how long etc.



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noncompos

08-23-2007 18:02:33




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 Re: stupid question in reply to Lanse, 08-23-2007 16:44:51  
Unsticking and running an engine with just the basic's (changing oil 2-3 times quickly to filter out any rust etc, checking all other fluids-if it's been down long enough to stick other fluids may no longer lubricate, etc)and so on is always a gamble; you may win or you may lose. But if it's hard or expensive to get parts for, or you have more time than money, a little (or a lot) of labor may well save you a premature overhaul, or engine change, if it decides to thrash itself apart quickly. You might also check with other owners of the same model to see if they tend to stick, and unstick, easily, as kyh says. Good luck.

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Clint Youse MO

08-23-2007 17:29:01




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 Re: stupid question in reply to Lanse, 08-23-2007 16:44:51  
yeah you can unstick them and they will run but depending on how stuck they are and what is wrong still may need a rebuild we had on got it unstuck ran good but wouldnot pull the shirt off your back the rings had come loose from the sleeves but stuck to the pistons and gave less than desirable compression.



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Doug N

08-24-2007 01:18:09




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 Re: stupid question in reply to Clint Youse MO, 08-23-2007 17:29:01  
Clint, That's when you hook it to the plow or disc or something, and give a GOOD workout for a few hours. This will loosen up any of the stuck rings and bring compression back up. Doug N



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kyhayman

08-23-2007 17:27:29




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 Re: stupid question in reply to Lanse, 08-23-2007 16:44:51  
Depends on how bad stuck. We had a 4000 Ford that the engine would stick every time the wind blew (and blew dads coffee can off the exhaust). Just pulled it and dumped the clutch every spring, always broke loose and worked fine for the season. This went on until he sold it. Then there are the 460D IH sleeves and pistons I've got in the shop. Got a standing offer among the local 'brew club' that hangs out there to the man who can unstick them gets $100 for each one he can break loose without breaking anything, but if he breaks anything on it he owes me $100. So far I've made $500 and got 1 left ;-)

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Randy S

08-23-2007 16:56:21




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 Re: stupid question in reply to Lanse, 08-23-2007 16:44:51  
If your lucky you might get it unstuck with out tearing it down. BUT im not sure id want to run it with out cleaning out and at least checking for rust and foreign matter in the cylinders, might do more damage. At some point your gonna want to rebuild it anyway.

Just my opinion.



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ldj

08-23-2007 17:19:27




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 Re: stupid question in reply to Randy S, 08-23-2007 16:56:21  
I have unstuck several tractors and antique engines and ever old cars and they run good. Now mind you I never run them all day long working hard for years. I have run them many hours over several years and never had one blow up.
L.D.



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