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Question concerning a 856 international(Diesel)

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KBath

08-14-2007 02:20:41




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Hello everyone, I am new to the forum and I have a question and need some advice. I have a 1958 JD 730 diesel( 60hp) that is in excellent working condition. We are currently using it to round bale hay. I have found a 1970 IH 856(100hp) that is in pretty good condition. The gentle man that has the farmall is wanting to trade and give me $1500 more for my tractor. Is this a good deal and can anyone tell me some pros and cons about the farmall.
Thanks for the help!

KBath

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KBath

08-15-2007 00:57:09




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 Re: Question concerning a 856 international(Diesel) in reply to KBath, 08-14-2007 02:20:41  
Thanks everyone, I think I am going to keep the old poppin john and try to buy the 856 out right. That way I will have two good running tractors to work and that will pull my 616 cutter and hesston baler. Heck, I might even try to completely restore the old tractor, after all it is my first tractor!

Thanks again everyone.

Kris [/url]



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Rootsy

08-14-2007 08:34:34




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 Re: Question concerning a 856 international(Diesel) in reply to KBath, 08-14-2007 02:20:41  
Take the 856 if it is in decent condition... you'll be glad you did... If you need more power just turn her up (probably is already).
My neighbor farms about 1800 acres and milks 350 head... other than the big White for pushing silage he has 5 856's that do all of the mowing, raking, tillage, planting, feed grinding and silage work. has a 14 series for side dressing and other heavy chores...
as for the 560 being junk... My grandfather bought one brand new in 1963. It was traded for a repainted W6 back 6 or 7 years ago and a month or so ago we bought it back at auction.... had something like 13000 hours on it when we traded it off and spent most it's life as the main workhorse around the place. Other than a set of rings and the head being gone through a few times the engine has never been apart... Has had some rearend work done on it a few times throughout it's life but it spent a lot of time on a plow and topping / digging sugarbeets throughout it's lifetime.

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the tractor vet

08-14-2007 08:15:19




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 Re: Question concerning a 856 international(Diesel) in reply to KBath, 08-14-2007 02:20:41  
Well IMHO since i have run both in the fields see if ya can get him up 500 bucks more then make the deal . Then with the extra 2000 grand in your pocket go find a second Farmall of say like a 450-560 for a second tractor . Then ya can get to some real farmen. My one best friend was a JD man till he got into money problems and had to sell off all his newer JD equipment but was able ot keep his farm and ahd to start all over again . This is when i met him as he had bought and old raggedy S/M and ran it till there was nomore left in it and wanted me to rebuild it from the ground up , nw i have never turned down money but i am not going to stuff it to someone . I told him that i could make that old S/M like new BUT by the time we did the motor the transmission, brakes electrical system and had it painted i could sell him a decent 706 gasser for half of what he would have in the S/M , So i took his ratty old S/M in on trade allowen him 650 buck off 3450 for the 706 gasser with a wide ft. and three point and moved him up and all the time he kept sayen tha how much he liked Deeres . Over the years i have sold him just about every pice of equipment that he has and i am the one that keeps it all going . Well his oldest boy bought a 720 Deere diesel and we do use it every once in a while . With the price of fuel this spring he got the bright idea that this is what we were going to mow hay with . Well we tryed to mow hay with it BUT it lacked the hyd. presure to lift the haybine and it was clumsie to run , so now it is where it always is setting in the barn in the way and the chore work falls onto the old 706 and the heavier work falls onto my 806 and his 1066 . Like a guy told me years ago at the john Deere Expo and this came from a hardcore Deere lover it is a good thing that people started collecting the old two lungers as ya sure as he-ll can't farm with them , They are like tryen to walk with two left feet and tieing your shoes with two left hands. IF God had wanted man to run them old Deeres he would have given him two right hands and a left . Even Bugger King ya only need two hands . As for my buddy if ya asked him today if he would part with the 706 there ain't noway .If you make the swap if that 856 is even just decent and ya put some work into it maken it a GOOD tractor and maintain it it will give ya a lot of years .

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Dave from MN

08-14-2007 05:28:05




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 Re: Question concerning a 856 international(Diesel) in reply to KBath, 08-14-2007 02:20:41  
If you can swing it, DO NOT get rid of the 730D, you'll never be able to replace it for the same $ once it's gone, and you WILL want it back. The 856 is a great tractor. As others have said, it be night and day difference baling. Having both in the shed is the right way to do it. I've been looking for a decent 730D, and some day will have one, but as people have stated they are increasing in demand and selling price. 1206 Farmall is another one that is really being sought after. Actually all the 06 row crops are climbing in price. I know been looking for 3 years.

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dboll

08-14-2007 05:09:53




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 Re: Question concerning a 856 international(Diesel) in reply to KBath, 08-14-2007 02:20:41  
460-560 were bad tractors, they broke IH. The 856/730 deal sounds good, the 856 is a real work horse!



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ed1

08-16-2007 20:19:56




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 Re: Question concerning a 856 international(Diesel) in reply to dboll, 08-14-2007 05:09:53  
I beg to differ. The 560 did have a trans problem that was quickly corrected early on. Except for that they were a great tractor.

POOR MANAGEMENT did IH in. They had great products but starved the ag division. It was sad to see them get purchased with a deer killer already designed that Cash IH put out. Now they are selling FIAT crap painted red.

Sad state



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dhermesc

08-14-2007 05:44:51




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 Re: Question concerning a 856 international(Diesel) in reply to dboll, 08-14-2007 05:09:53  
"460-560 were bad tractors, they broke IH."

So our 560 with with over 15,000 is a bad tractor? What can we expect from a good tractor?

Just so you know the 460/560 was in production from 1958 to 1963 and only the first year or so of production of the 560 (the 460 didn't have any issues) had the rear end problems that IH corrected on every tractor. Blaming the financial failure of IH on warranty cost of the 560 would be like blaming GM's current financial woes on the 1960–63 Corvairs.

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J.C. IN AZ.

08-14-2007 13:10:29




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 Re: Question concerning a 856 international(Diesel) in reply to dhermesc, 08-14-2007 05:44:51  
"460-560"-Bad Tractors,they broke IH, I beg to differ with that statement.Granted they were not what IH needed to survive and it took a while for that "Tarnish of Reputation to go away" but a Rumor passed around when I was employed by IH was "For every Dollar of Profit Farm Equip.Div. and Truck Div. earned,Construction Equip. Div.lost". At that time in History 1960-1975 Construction Equip.Div. developed some of the best Equipment on the Market but the Market was the big problem. To many Companies vying for the same "Sale". Even today go on a Road Job and see how many Cat and Deere Machines there are and then see if maybe a Case/IH Machine is setting somewhere around the Job site,that is if you can find it for all the Kawasaki's,Komatsu's,Mitsubishi's Etc. sitting there also in backup while the Cat and Deere are busy doing what they were designed to do.

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mjbrown

08-14-2007 03:43:34




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 Re: Question concerning a 856 international(Diesel) in reply to KBath, 08-14-2007 02:20:41  
The 730 is sought by collectors. In mint condition it is worth close to10K. It sounds like yours runs fine but is in it's work clothes. If his 856 is as mechanically sound as your 730 and you don't care about collectability I'd say it's a good deal. The 856 will use more fuel but it is a big improvement in user friendliness and power.



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low budget

08-14-2007 03:39:10




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 Re: Question concerning a 856 international(Diesel) in reply to KBath, 08-14-2007 02:20:41  
Have to admit, those 2 cylinder JDs are going for alot more than they are worth for farming. A 730 diesel seems to be increasing in price rapidly. If you keep it you might sell it for enough to retire in a few years. Only reason I can think of to get rid of it now is if you cant stand running it.



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TGIN

08-14-2007 03:28:10




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 Re: Question concerning a 856 international(Diesel) in reply to KBath, 08-14-2007 02:20:41  
When you start bailing with that 856 you`ll think you steped out of the dark ages !! As Allan said the tractor is miles above that old JD and he wants to give YOU $1500 . Can you trust this guy ? Is he trying to dump a broke tractor on ya ? Check it out real good but apples to apples trade before he changes his mind .



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IaGary

08-14-2007 03:20:00




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 Re: Question concerning a 856 international(Diesel) in reply to KBath, 08-14-2007 02:20:41  
Pros and cons?

The 856 will have smoother hydraulics.

Foot clutch to freeup your hands to run the hydraulics, gear shift and so on when running the baler.

More gears to choose a speed to better feed the baler.

Only downside I can think of is, if your a JD man the 856 is red.

Gary



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Allan In NE

08-14-2007 02:54:23




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 Re: Question concerning a 856 international(Diesel) in reply to KBath, 08-14-2007 02:20:41  
That's a knife that cuts both directions and it depends on whether you are looking at the deal from a "collector" viewpoint or a "functionality" stand.

He wants your "green" tractor. Collectors like 'em because they think they are worth more. Go figure.

From a practical user standpoint tho, and if both tractors are in reasonably good shape, that 856 is twice the tractor that the John Deere ever was. IH never built a bad tractor and the 56 series were some of the best ever built.

There just is no comparison between the two tractors.

Bottom line tho, I think he's trying to snooker ya. Just for fun, hit him with a $5K difference and see if he flinches/blinks. :>)

Allan

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