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Diesel batteries- two 6 volt vs. two 12 volt

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460 albert

08-10-2007 19:38:26




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Have noticed that most older diesel tractors use two six volt batteries in series, while most newer models use two 12's in paralell. What are the pro's and con's of each arrangement? In general, if a guy wants to get as much cranking speed as possible, and he's got a fresh starter and heaviest cables possible, which battery set-up is best? What would be best for extended periods of cranking in very cold temps?

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Gerald J.

08-11-2007 08:27:57




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 Re: Diesel batteries- two 6 volt vs. two 12 volt in reply to 460 albert, 08-10-2007 19:38:26  
There are few electrical winning arguments to make either a winner. Fact is, both work. Takes different wiring details.

As already pointed out, batteries in parallel need to be matched (same maker, part number, and age) else the weaker one will pull the better one down to match.

The consideration of the nearer one supplying more current can be solved by how they are connected. Just run the solenoid cable to battery A, then to battery B. Run the ground cable from ground to battery B, then to Battery A. That pretty much equalizes cable drops. Or run independent but equal length cables from the positives to the starter solenoid connection, ditto the ground cables to a common ground point.

Series connection of 6 volt works too. Lots of fairly heavy 6 volt are made for golf carts which makes them popular if big enough for cranking.

There can be some numbers applied. When paralleled, two 12 volt battery cranking or cold cranking amps add, though can be limited by the cables if the cables are not fat as your thumb.

With two 6 volts in series the volts add but the cranking amps, warm or cold, are no more than the weakest battery of the pair.

It is possible to find battery pairs for each connection that for a price give the greatest cranking amps and so the best starting and unless tractor vibration breaks plates off inside the batteries, the longest life. But then one has to compare the costs of changing cables if the configuration is going to be different from what you presently have. The cost of good battery cables is nearly always more than the differences in battery costs, but if you need new battery cables the economics have only a small difference.

Both solutions are good, we could argue for a week and there won't be a clear winner. Both work. If good heavy 6 volt batteries aren't handy, 12 volt heavy batteries probably are most universally available and lots of 12 volt diesel pickups use two batteries in parallel. But unless the good 6 volt batteries get hard (or expensive) to buy, changing won't pay for the cost of changing the cables.

Gerald J., electrical engineer.

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Allan In NE

08-11-2007 06:05:47




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 Re: Diesel batteries- two 6 volt vs. two 12 volt in reply to 460 albert, 08-10-2007 19:38:26  
Hi Albert,

I've got both types on various tractors. Can't tell 6 eggs worth of difference on any of 'em.

Allan



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n9lhm

08-11-2007 04:49:46




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 Re: Diesel batteries- two 6 volt vs. two 12 volt in reply to 460 albert, 08-10-2007 19:38:26  
The make-or-break of it is more a question of reliability when they are sitting over time. Two batteries in parallel will discharge from the one with slightly higher open-circuit voltage into the one with lower open-circuit voltage. In addition, a shorted cell in one will quickly drain the other for the same reason. But, if you know which one is bad, you can disconnect the bad one and run on the good one, since the voltage does not change.
With batteries in series, they cannot discharge into each other over time. If a cell shorts, you will still have almost as much capacity. You can"t disconnect one and run without it, though, as you will only have half the voltage. Personally, I prefer having two sixes in series. But there are good arguments either way, and the 12"s are more readily available.

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RAB

08-10-2007 23:36:23




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 Re: Diesel batteries- two 6 volt vs. two 12 volt in reply to 460 albert, 08-10-2007 19:38:26  
The cost difference is probably a factor. More 12 volt batteries come off the production line than 6 volters. Economy of scale. Cost over life of batteries is the all important thing. Problem of 'nearest load can easily be overcome - take the feed from exactly mid way between the batteries. I think it is probably more a function of heat than proximity, but will not argue with the poster as my 12 tractors don't have a battery between them.
Regards, RAB

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shinnery

08-10-2007 22:23:35




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 Re: Diesel batteries- two 6 volt vs. two 12 volt in reply to 460 albert, 08-10-2007 19:38:26  
The only con I know of is batteries hooked in parallel need to be a perfectly matched pair. And still the battery closest to the load, cable wise, will have the heavest load on it.

Go for the max CCA you can get.
Bryce



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Bob

08-10-2007 21:56:41




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 Re: Diesel batteries- two 6 volt vs. two 12 volt in reply to 460 albert, 08-10-2007 19:38:26  
I don't think there's any "generic" pros and cons" to either setup.

It would depend upon the cranking amp ratings of the specific batteries you have available for either setup.



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