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How to live off 30 acres ?

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arod

08-09-2007 11:55:04




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Basically asking what crops can support a fella on 30 acres? Livestock suggestions also welcome. Hell, any suggestions on how to live off 30 acres would be appreciated.




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msb

08-09-2007 21:34:00




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to arod, 08-09-2007 11:55:04  
Lots of ways including raising weeds for seed.( I would be good at that)Researchers buy specific weed seeds for herbicide trials. Spices(pepper,nutmeg, etc.) is another option. Herbs, milk goats, goat cheese, milkweed pods,Elk, ----the list goes on and on. Just don't try it with large acreage crops like corn, soybeans and wheat.



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davpal

08-09-2007 21:19:59




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to arod, 08-09-2007 11:55:04  
Hey, I have a great idea. Sell the 30 acres to Toyota or Honda or Nissan and let them build an auto plant there and employ you at the plant for $20 dollars an hour. Now you can make your living!



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GeneMO

08-09-2007 20:35:58




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to arod, 08-09-2007 11:55:04  
Wife with masters in education. That pays the bills and health ins., and your kids get to attend that school districts school, without tuition, even if you are out of district.

Then if you have at least a BS degree and a full time job, that helps.

Finally, a family member dies and leaves you the 30 acres free and clear.

That ought to about do it.


Gene

PS. and dont say that I dont know what I am talking about. BTDT

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NEsota

08-09-2007 19:14:32




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to arod, 08-09-2007 11:55:04  
If the acres are within 20-25 miles of real good population, try pick-your-own strawberries.



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MF Poor

08-09-2007 19:08:03




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to arod, 08-09-2007 11:55:04  
30 building lots and a real estate agent.



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flying belgian

08-09-2007 19:19:10




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to MF Poor, 08-09-2007 19:08:03  
I agree then live off the interest.



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Traditional Farmer

08-09-2007 18:39:22




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to arod, 08-09-2007 11:55:04  
If you live near a large population center organic vegetables can bring in some big bucks.I know of a greenhouse business near me that has 5 green houses on about 2 acres that the couple make a good living off of.They grow mostly flowers year round.Lots of work doing either one.



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kyplowboy

08-09-2007 17:52:14




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to arod, 08-09-2007 11:55:04  
If you live near a chiken complex you can make a great living off 6 to 8 brioler houses. Every one who lives with in a mile of you will not like it but you can make a living. As every one else said you did not say where you live or what you need to live on. You could make a nice living off 30 acres of tobacco, you just would need a new 30 acres every two or three years!



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georgeky

08-09-2007 18:00:03




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to kyplowboy, 08-09-2007 17:52:14  
That is not completley true. It does help. We have a small bottom(3 acres) on a farm that has been in the family for more than 100 years and it was in tobacco 74 years straight. It has now been sown down, but still raised a decent crop almost every year. As long as it doesn't wash too bad it will make do if it is good soil to start with. More ground has been worn out around here with corn than tobacco ever did.

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kyplowboy

08-09-2007 18:11:44




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to georgeky, 08-09-2007 18:00:03  
The only place I have seen tobacco last more than 3 years, a guy up the road rised it on an old hog lot for about ten years. Worked out for him. With spartin and command I start to see a down turn on mine after 3 years with dark tobacco. I try not to go back with tobacco more than 2 years and have hay/pasture for at least 6. While it was not an option years ago, with the burly types they have now you have got some shank resistance. The seed people have not been able to breed a dark that will hold up to shank. If my living depended on a dark crop, I would not sleep good knowing that I had tobacco in the same spot more than 3 years. Seen too many people get burnt, may take 5 to 7 years to bite hard. People will have a few plants die this year and not even cut into them to see whats going on and next year get a lot of rain and half thier plants are dead. How's the crop your way George? Here is mostly good, just need'n a rain pretty bad.

Dave

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georgeky

08-09-2007 20:43:36




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to kyplowboy, 08-09-2007 18:11:44  
There are a few low places around that scalded down after the heavy rain and hot weather a couple weeks ago. For the most part it looks to be a bumper crop. Mine is quite good. All tobacco here is burley. I also only raise it two years and then sow it down and come back in 3 to 5 years. I use to have trouble with Black shank when I raised straight KY 10. I have raised Tenn 86 for the last 10 or 12 years and it holds up better against BS and blue mold. Aphids also seem to bother it less. Not too bad for suckers either, and weighs good. I think this will be my last crop, but I say that every year about this time. Just can't help myself when plowing time comes. I am on the Clark and Montgomery county line between Winchester and Mt Sterling. Where are you and how is the crop there.

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kyplowboy

08-09-2007 21:06:50




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to georgeky, 08-09-2007 20:43:36  
Webster County, bout between Henderson and Madisonville. Most looks real good here too. Not as much burly round here after the buy out. My grandmother is 75 and she tells me ever year that she is not going to fool with it any more. My grandfather had a crop out when they got married in 48, so she has had a crop for 59 years. All she does is ride the setter, drive the truck when we load it out the field, and pull leaf in the winter. Her and granddad always had an acre so I give her the first 2000 lbs. About time to start turning ground in the spring she will ask me where her's is going to be!! Done that the last 6 years. Hope she keeps it up, I think it is good for her to have somthing to look forward too.

Dave

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wayne2

08-10-2007 09:44:27




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to kyplowboy, 08-09-2007 21:06:50  
You take care of that sweetheart, Love to taste her biskets and gravy!!! Wayne



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kyplowboy

08-10-2007 17:53:12




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to wayne2, 08-10-2007 09:44:27  
I try too, would never be able to find some one to move in next door to me that would feed me better!!!

Dave



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georgeky

08-09-2007 21:34:20




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to kyplowboy, 08-09-2007 21:06:50  
There is a picture of part of my crop in tractor photo's under 1974 Farmall 666. I took it last week after topping some of it.



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kyplowboy

08-09-2007 22:22:33




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to georgeky, 08-09-2007 21:34:20  
Looks good. I know what you mean. If I hit the power ball next week, I would have a crop next year. Just would be a little smaller and the tractor I spray with would be a little nicer!! :) Do not know what is more of a habit, grow'n it or chew'n it.

Dave



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georgeky

08-09-2007 22:37:25




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to kyplowboy, 08-09-2007 22:22:33  
Don't know I don't chew any much. Every now and then I will chew a little right out of the barn. I sure have and still do smoke my part of it though. Somebody has to. That pice ther is over my head in most places and I am 6 foot. The piece in the background is about ready to cut, but I am trying to wait until the first of September at least. Some of these folks that get in a big hurry to set it are in the barn now in all this 100 degree heat. It is hard on the crew and it will rot in the barn with all this heat and humidity. Most of these Mexicans don't know hoot about hanging it properly and don't care.

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georgeky

08-09-2007 21:32:08




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to kyplowboy, 08-09-2007 21:06:50  
Some folks don't understand how tobacco gets in your blood. It is a family thing and I am glad to hear your grandma is still at it. There is an old man right down the road from me that I worked for when I was a kid. He is 93 and can't hardly get around anymore, but he sits on his porch all fall and strips tobacco. His boys carry it to him and pack it away as he works with a big chew in his cheek. I lost my grandpa 3 years ago in a house fire, but he always came around and helped what he could.

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john d

08-09-2007 16:39:58




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to arod, 08-09-2007 11:55:04  
Location, soil type, climate, and the topography of your 30 acres has a lot to do with this. If you're very close to a large population center, you can make $$ with a U-pick veggie farm that also features a corn maze for city folks to walk through. A pumpkin patch and fall hayride party opportunities can bring in some $$.



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John S-B

08-09-2007 16:37:20




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to arod, 08-09-2007 11:55:04  
There's a really good book by Booker T. Whatley called "How to make $100,000 farming 25 acres". It discusses specialty crops, organically raised livestock and such and how to diversify so you have income from different crops throughout the year. It also talks about equipment. Of course it isn't a guarantee, but it should give you a lot of ideas. Amazon.com probably has a copy.



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The real Hal/WA

08-09-2007 14:55:03




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to arod, 08-09-2007 11:55:04  
I have a cousin who lives in Western Montana who makes his living growing hydroponic tomatoes in his greenhouses. I don't think he has more than about 5 acres total, but has been growing the tomatoes for more than 20 years. He is retired from the military, and his wife works as some kind of secretary somewhere, but they seem to do OK with the tomato farming bringing most of their income. But they sure aren't getting rich though.

My cousin works many hours a day during the season, which is from about February until mid-November. He heats the greenhouses with a wood fired boiler when they need to be heated, and has to use lots of lights in the Fall when the days get short. He does almost all of the packing, but I don't think he transports it any more. Most of his accounts are supermarket chains and he has said he can sell every tomato he can produce. They are super high quality, and sell for high prices.

It took my cousin some time and a bunch of money to build up his greenhouse business and make a success of it. He always worries about disease and has to use chemicals to prevent insect and disease infestation. Every so often, he gets visited by law enforcement, since people think he is growing marijuana. He lets the cops look around, but only asks that they be tobacco-free, since some diseases that can cause trouble for tomatoes are or can be carried by tobacco.

I don't know if growing tomatoes would work as well elsewhere, but my cousin found this niche market for the extremely high quality product and has done well enough with it to keep doing it all these years. But the keys are finding a product in fairly short supply and in high demand, and that will sell at a fairly high price. And of course BE LEGAL! Good luck.

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Krumholz

08-09-2007 16:52:31




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to The real Hal/WA, 08-09-2007 14:55:03  
Hydroponics is a great way to grow veggies. The Hay made from (I believe this is the name) sawgrass is in great demand. I makes about 1300 gals of ethanol per acre. Several cuttings per year . I have a friend that is keeping a dozen or so alpacas and sells the wool. Goats are a good investment. If you are really interested in accomplishing a living from 30 acres I believe there are many diverse ways of doing it.

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The Government

08-09-2007 13:56:39




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to arod, 08-09-2007 11:55:04  
You have to tax your neighbors because you cant live on your own. Then raise their taxes every year so that you can get a raise.

So. You have to run for mayor.



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Akmedson

08-09-2007 17:12:58




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to The Government, 08-09-2007 13:56:39  
Say nothing about raising contraband!!!



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james in mo

08-09-2007 13:53:55




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to arod, 08-09-2007 11:55:04  
hawdy im 15 so I don’t have to pay much for my living(YET!!!!! ) but I run a small pastured poultry business and it generates enough income for me. If I were to expand and sell to gourmet chefs then I could probably support a wife (not too many kids though). The truth is these chefs and people who have money to do so want home grown all natural products. I live I Masura and the land is OK here (could use some rain). But truck farming is defiantly a possibility that I would look into.

James

P.S. Google JOEL SALITIAN this is the model I follow and it seams to work. oh yeah i live on 20 acres.

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Lanse

08-09-2007 13:30:28




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to arod, 08-09-2007 11:55:04  
You oughta check out

" How To Make
$100,000 farming 25 acres"

by Booker T. Whatley

Someone lent me a copy.



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Jimmy King

08-09-2007 21:14:04




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to Lanse, 08-09-2007 13:30:28  
That guy makes his living selling books.



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Jimmy King

08-09-2007 21:13:54




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That guy makes his living selling books.



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Dave from MN

08-09-2007 13:25:13




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to arod, 08-09-2007 11:55:04  
Well, in my opinion it depends on what liabilities(debt) you have to pay on. What your life style is like now , and what your willing to do with out. If your taxes are low copared to what alot f us pay, it helps. I just made $700 on just over a 1/2 acre of sweet corn in the last 2 weeks. For my wife that is a trip to the mall, for me, its 2 months groceries, for some people that will pay all there bills for 3 months. I cant see you maiking a living by todays standards on 30 acres, but if you conserve and do with out like the guys in there 70's or older did, you could if you get creative. I only own 40 acres , and we do quite well, BUT we have 15,000 chicken breeder barn on it. Do a search for "making $50,000 on 5 acres" or something like that. There info out there.

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jdemaris

08-09-2007 13:09:01




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to arod, 08-09-2007 11:55:04  
There a few people that seem to have done it in my area of central New York state - but it cannot be depended on long-term. This area was all dairy farms 20 years ago - but just about all have failed and/or sold out and are gone. Good land that cost $400 an acre not too long ago is now $2000 - $5000 per acre - even for large parcels. Taxes can easily be $3000 - $10,000 per year. So, if you have a mortgage, and also figure in taxes - and maybe want health insurance, electricity, food, etc. - you've got to make quite a bit just to break even. I don't count people who are part-time farming with alternative incomes and also wives with good paying jobs and health insurance. But, I know a few ex-dairy farmers that have found a market for niche-type specialty crops - one is growing Peruvian Peanut potatoes and gets a very high price supplying New York City restaraunts. Another sells certified organic vegetables and beef. And another sells specialty maple sugar products. They all market their stuff 200 miles away in New York City - since nobody around here would pay the silly prices for the stuff. But, this sort of thing comes and goes all the time - and it certainly cannot be counted on. I also can't swear how well any of them are actually doing - just taking their words for it (I haven't seen their tax returns or wallets).

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Dick L

08-09-2007 13:01:12




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to arod, 08-09-2007 11:55:04  
One of the higher paying legal crops is flowers. Fresh and dried. I have heard quoted over 50 grand an acre. Very labor intensive. A lot of hands and knee work.



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Allan In NE

08-09-2007 12:56:55




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to arod, 08-09-2007 11:55:04  
30 Acres?

Dunno, open a cat house and use 29 acres for parking? :>)

Allan



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Larry806

08-09-2007 14:45:09




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to Allan In NE, 08-09-2007 12:56:55  
Allan I do like your thinking !
Friend said he was going to open one but he'd have to run it by hand till he could afford to hire help ><~



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GeneMO

08-09-2007 20:44:11




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to Larry806, 08-09-2007 14:45:09  
My brother tried growing "wacky tabacky" Thank goodness he put it over on the neighbors woods lot so they didn't try to confiscate the family farm. Cost him his wife and kids and a long time of child support. he was only using up about .1 acre though. Man you could make a killin on 30.


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John (MO)

08-09-2007 14:37:53




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to Allan In NE, 08-09-2007 12:56:55  
Exotic shorthairs or Japanese bobtails?



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Akmedson

08-09-2007 19:52:32




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to John (MO), 08-09-2007 14:37:53  
OH, How I do Love America!!!!!



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georgeky

08-09-2007 13:04:20




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to Allan In NE, 08-09-2007 12:56:55  
Allan, you are on to someting now.



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Red Dave

08-09-2007 12:49:46




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to arod, 08-09-2007 11:55:04  
I don't know where you are, but in my neck of the woods, 30 acres isn't enough to make a living on by farming. Unless you're growing wacky weed as a cash crop.

The property taxes alone would bleed you dry.

It's a shame, but that's the truth of it.



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Clint Youse MO

08-09-2007 12:40:18




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to arod, 08-09-2007 11:55:04  
I live on 40 acres quite nicely but I also have it full of hog buildings and the rest pasture a few cows on and my wife works in town she does not have to but it does help



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Coloken

08-09-2007 12:26:21




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to arod, 08-09-2007 11:55:04  
It sure would be nice if people told where they were. Here, 30 acres will not support one cow for a year. Course an oil well on that 30 acres would be nice. In New Jersey, 30 acres of truck farm and a road side stand might do pretty darn good.



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Mike M

08-09-2007 12:37:41




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to Coloken, 08-09-2007 12:26:21  
Where exactly is "Here" ? I'm guessing not to far from "There" LOL Mike from O-hi-O



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Coloken

08-09-2007 17:54:57




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to Mike M, 08-09-2007 12:37:41  
Now I wonder where "here" is for COLOradoKEN. Long way from any where.



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old

08-09-2007 12:23:44




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to arod, 08-09-2007 11:55:04  
I don't think a person could plant any legal crop and make a living on 30 acres of land. Now if you want to just live and do away with the power company etc. yes it can be done but it would be very hard work and you would need a horse or mule etc. to do it. I do know of one crop you could plant and if you didn't get caught you would be set for life but the chances of not being found out is less then 0.00001%

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georgeky

08-09-2007 12:18:00




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to arod, 08-09-2007 11:55:04  
You would have to raise a specialty crop of some kind that is in high demand. You may also plant it in veggies, buy a milk cow,some chickens and a sow and boar. Then you could eat year round and sell some of your produce to buy things you don't have. Lots of folks use to live this way, but you won't have any money to go to town with. If you were in a tobacco growing region and have tools and barns to house it in for curing you could make a decent living on 25 acres of tobacco and have room for a garden, house and a few out buildings.

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John (MO)

08-09-2007 12:11:19




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to arod, 08-09-2007 11:55:04  
It would all depend on where the 30 acres are.

If you can sell it for $3 million, then do so, invest the money and live off the interest.

If you can grow garlic and have a good market for it, then do so and I think you'll have a good income.

You could plant a big garden and can and freeze your produce, raise a few chickens, hogs and fat cattle. You'll eat pretty well but you won`t have much of any money to spend.

You could maybe put it in CRP and pocket around $2 thousand dollars before taxes

Or you could grow 30 acres of corn, wheat, beans or hay, but you are just as apt to lose money as you are to make money.

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hay

08-09-2007 12:03:02




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to arod, 08-09-2007 11:55:04  
it would be hard to make 30 acres pay all year. horse hay is always in demand and spring vegetable crops like pick your own operations, specialized custom calf raising/butchering, maybe some sort of home based business like custom tractor work, welding, mechanic services, cut and sell firewood, christmas trees, build fences...etc. it's just getting harder and harder to make ends meet with taxes and insurance and modern lifestyles.

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suptscottyb

08-09-2007 20:39:52




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 Re: How to live off 30 acres ? in reply to hay, 08-09-2007 12:03:02  
WOW! well he did get you all thinkin'... I think that it would be near impossible unless some specialty nich was found and the "living" was quite modest. Here - which is "socal" the wheat farmers stuggled for ever untill they found what grows best out here -tract houses! They are selling out for big money at an alarming rate. Of course with two inches of rain this year you can't grow anything you don't water. Normally 17 inches.

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