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for Gerald J and 35 A or anyone about generator

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flashback

08-03-2007 10:29:30




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OK. I now have a Farmall A and it has magneto ignition. Separate from that there is a starter 6V and a 12 volt battery which works very good. Now I want to add a generator(6v) and a regulator to the starting system and also wire up some 12 volt lights. QUESTION-=--- what voltage voltage regulator ( 6 or 12). and how to wire it up right Somewhere I seem to remember something about a 4 position light switch and its involvement.

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John T

08-03-2007 12:41:33




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 Re: for Gerald J and 35 A or anyone about generator in reply to flashback, 08-03-2007 10:29:30  
Flash, I didnt understand if theres like NO generator at all currently or if you have a 6 volt genny on it that you wanna use to charge that 12 volt battery????? ????

Fer sure you gotta have a 12 volt VR regardless to charge that 12 volt battery. Like my friend Gerald noted its marginally possible to charge a 12 volt battery using a 6 volt genny with a 12 volt VR but thats NOT the best or engineering correct method nor will it set the world on fire with any high charge rate.

If you go the generator route versus an alternator Id EITHER just get a Delco 12 volt genny (they look same and same size as a 6) or you could take an old 6 volt to a genny shop n have it rebuilt up to a 12 volt.

Im NOT an altewrnator fan on old tractors TRUE they charge MUCH BETTER but they look like crap on an antique tractor in my opinion lol

The old style LHBD 4 position light switch can still be used for bright or dim lights control but the Low and High charge positions arent wired in or used of you use a full fledged 3 or 4 terminal Voltage Regulator. If you use a 3 terminal (BAT ARM FLD) VR, BAT on VR wires up to the Load (NOT battery/starter) side of ammeter,,,,, ,ARM wires to gennys Arm post,,,,, ,FLD wires to gennys Filed post. Polarize the genny before you start her up.

John T

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Gerald J.

08-03-2007 13:31:59




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 Re: for Gerald J and 35 A or anyone about generator in reply to John T, 08-03-2007 12:41:33  
The alternator on the old engine sure isn't original looking and they look worse when held on with baling wire..

Gerald J.



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Gerald J.

08-03-2007 11:50:32




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 Re: for Gerald J and 35 A or anyone about generator in reply to flashback, 08-03-2007 10:29:30  
Your 6 volt generator will need a 12 volt regulator and lots of RPM to charge the 12 volt battery. It has to turn somewhere between 1.5 times and twice as fast to make 12 volts as it takes to get 6 volts. But if you can arrange that (like with a smaller diameter pulley) that can work. 12 volt generators in packages that look like 6 volt generators do exist. Machinery didn't change to alternators the instant they went to 12 volts.

If you don't want it to be original, its hard to beat an alternator, because the alternater (once its started charging if 1 wire) will charge at much lower engine speeds and because the alternator diodes make a perfect cutout it never discharges the battery with reverse current when running slow.

I also know that with a GOOD regulator, that a generator will do an adequate job and be original. My MF-135 had a new regulator on it when I bought it 20 years ago, but it didn't charge right. I tweaked the voltage adjustment and its been working fine ever since. One time I thought the battery was going bad, but it was the starter brushes that went open after I'd moved that battery to my '65 F350 and ran it there several years. This year I ran a 10 amp electric sprayer pump several hours a day several times and the generator kept up. And that sprayer pump was running continuously reecirculating to stir the spray mix when it wasn't actually spraying and I used it to inhale parts of the spray mix too.

Several say its worth the added wires to hook up a 1 wire alternator with 3 wires, then it doesn't need goosing to start charging. I have a 1 wire alternator on my JD 4020 and I with the smallest available alternator pulley it takes about 1600 engine RPM to start charging, then it charges down to 450 RPM or slower. I also have an ammeter added so I can tell what it is really doing.

One alternator discussion with picture is at:
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old

08-03-2007 11:40:46




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 Re: for Gerald J and 35 A or anyone about generator in reply to flashback, 08-03-2007 10:29:30  
Well to start with you need to either go 100% 6 volt or 100% 12 volt. You can not use 12 volt lights with a 6 volt battery or a 6 volt genny and have a 12 volt battery you have to have every thing one or the other not a little of both because a little of both will not work. Easies way is to use a Delco 10si alternator which is 3 wire works better then a 1 wire type and also is a lot cheaper. A 3 wire can be had for less then $40 but a 1 wire is around $70. 3 wire is also less likey to give you battery drain problems and high RPM start up problems

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old art

08-03-2007 10:50:48




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 Re: for Gerald J and 35 A or anyone about generator in reply to flashback, 08-03-2007 10:29:30  
you want a charging system for your 12Vbattery and lights. your 6V starter is ok on 12V. so i would go for an alternator 1 Wire system the regulator is built into it. it is easy to install. a delco alternator works the best.
i cant rember the number but there is awireing diagram here in the archives some one will help with that. here soon



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