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How far can I tilt before I tip?

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Kent in KC

08-02-2007 06:19:43




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Hey! A tractor post!

Mornin, fellas. I'm was once a country boy, returning now to the sunny side and using my old Ford 901 PowerMaster (with widetrack front end) to do, among other things, a lot of Bush Hogging. My pond's dam has a bank of about 45 degrees on the face and about 30 degrees on the back side. I don't have a sickle bar and the trees right at the foot of the back side (not to mention the water on the face side) prevent me from mowing vertically.

My question: When mowing a hillside horizontally, how can I know how far my old tractor can tilt before he tips? Even just a mild 20 degree lean feels kinda spooky.

Thanks.

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David Snipes

08-03-2007 12:09:42




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 Re: How far can I tilt before I tip? in reply to Kent in KC, 08-02-2007 06:19:43  
How about a tracked vehicle with a mower on it. Even then, I would not mow across the hill.



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Kent in KC

08-03-2007 09:47:52




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 Re: How far can I tilt before I tip? in reply to Kent in KC, 08-02-2007 06:19:43  
Thanks gentlemen. I'll take the advice and let er grow au naturel!



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Leland

08-02-2007 23:00:49




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 Re: How far can I tilt before I tip? in reply to Kent in KC, 08-02-2007 06:19:43  
You need lots of wheel weights on the high side and plenty to hold the front as well ,I have had the high side rear wheel spin and that told me it was time to turn down hill before getting squished



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supera3

08-02-2007 19:01:45




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 Re: How far can I tilt before I tip? in reply to Kent in KC, 08-02-2007 06:19:43  
A local mowing contractor lines up several tractors 5-6ft. mowers wheel to wheel bottom to top. Drive the same speed, the bottom tractor keeps the others up! Do I do it? Not anymore but it has worked.



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wayne2

08-02-2007 17:57:50




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 Re: How far can I tilt before I tip? in reply to Kent in KC, 08-02-2007 06:19:43  
Physic's say 38.3389 degrees-wreckers hit you in the wallet-been there done that!!!! Wayne



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Jimmy King

08-02-2007 16:15:45




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 Re: How far can I tilt before I tip? in reply to Kent in KC, 08-02-2007 06:19:43  
My thery is if you are unconfortable it is too steep.



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Triplerange

08-02-2007 13:23:21




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 Re: How far can I tilt before I tip? in reply to Kent in KC, 08-02-2007 06:19:43  
I agree with all the other guys and they didn't even mention the momentum of the tractor movement upon turning which creates a moment about the lower tire plus the bush hog bouncing around back behind with two blades spinning really fast. Forget mowing it!



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champspa

08-02-2007 13:18:21




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 Re: How far can I tilt before I tip? in reply to Kent in KC, 08-02-2007 06:19:43  
no one gets but so many chances before they catch up. straight up and down and that's still a big chance .



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Lou

08-02-2007 12:31:45




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 Re: How far can I tilt before I tip? in reply to Kent in KC, 08-02-2007 06:19:43  
We have 5 ponds and the dams all have holes caused by muskrats digging.When you drive into one of those holes you really dont know how far the tractor will tip. You take it from there.



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Mathias NY

08-02-2007 12:05:00




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 Re: How far can I tilt before I tip? in reply to Kent in KC, 08-02-2007 06:19:43  
I will preface my response by saying that if you think it is a bad idea, it probably is.

Generally the wider your tractor is, the more stable it is. The tractor will not tip until the center of gravity passes over the point where the tractor touches the ground. The center of gravity is the imaginary point around which the tractor will balance. The lower the center of gravity the more stable the tractor. This is why tractors that travel on hills are wide and low.

For a crude way to check, we can approximate the center of gravity to be the drivers seat. Picture a string hanging vertically down from the bottom of the drivers seat. As the tractor tips to the side, the bottom end of the string will swing toward a rear tire. When the string hits the tire the tractor can tip. This will might give you about 30 safe degrees...for a stationary tractor. If the tractor is moving you have to consider things like rocks, holes, soft spots, etc. that can cause sudden shifts of weight. Driving with a front end loader raised or having one rear tire with liquid ballast will also work against you.

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Bill46

08-02-2007 10:24:44




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 Re: How far can I tilt before I tip? in reply to Kent in KC, 08-02-2007 06:19:43  
Kent...thats why they make weedeaters. Stay off it.
Build a fence and get some goats if nothing else.
I lost a brother when he was doing the same thing as your post.
Don't even drive it across the top. One slip and you are in the pond with the tractor on top of you.



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old

08-02-2007 09:22:58




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 Re: How far can I tilt before I tip? in reply to Kent in KC, 08-02-2007 06:19:43  
Stay off that dam. If you don't believe me send me an e-mail and I'll sned you a picture of an 8N and what happens on a hill side. This hill was less then 30 degrees and the only thing that saved the guys life was the tree he slide into and that stopped the tractor from rolling over on him. He still busted up his left knee but thats was better then being dead

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Delta Bob

08-02-2007 09:17:06




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 Re: How far can I tilt before I tip? in reply to Kent in KC, 08-02-2007 06:19:43  
Add a rops and seat belt to your tractor. A little water in the tires will lower the center of gravity of the tractor when running at low speeds.This may help.



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Dick L

08-02-2007 08:53:18




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 Re: How far can I tilt before I tip? in reply to Kent in KC, 08-02-2007 06:19:43  
I worked for the Ohio turn pike years ago and mowed road side banks along the turn pike. Tractor seemed to slide sideways rather than tip for the most part. Took a while to get the butterflies out of the gut. Back bladed the banks with a pay loader with a wide bucket where if you picked up the bucket the tires would lift on the high side. I never tipped anything over but it did happen from time to time out there. 1956 was when I started and back then you did what they ask you to do or they would get someone that would. Safety program was have a plan when to jump and which way if it were necessary.

Best to learn to work banks with someone around that already knows what they are doing. Learning by yourself can end with bad results.

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Paul Kingsbury

08-02-2007 08:51:50




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 Re: How far can I tilt before I tip? in reply to Kent in KC, 08-02-2007 06:19:43  
Hi Kent

All the guys are right about if it feels spooky it is. No one can give you an accurate angle before it tips. I can give you this bit of help. Put duals on it will help BIG time and may save you from tipping over; with that said, you can still tip over anything! The next way to keep it from tipping is to mow at an angle; you can back down or go forward. Driving a dunebuggy has taught me to turn into the roll, the bad thing for you is you might get wet, but this is WAY better than rolling!
Good luck, Paul

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Chris in MD

08-02-2007 08:46:57




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 Re: How far can I tilt before I tip? in reply to Kent in KC, 08-02-2007 06:19:43  
Listen, some stupid weeds around a pond aren't worth your life. That is like saying 'how low can you go' when doing the limbo... you find out when you fall backwards...JUST like you can roll the tractor.



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buickanddeere

08-02-2007 08:37:14




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 Re: How far can I tilt before I tip? in reply to Kent in KC, 08-02-2007 06:19:43  
Might be ok on the dam until the tractor finds a soft spot and sinks the low wheel = squash.



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VADAVE

08-02-2007 08:36:42




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 Re: How far can I tilt before I tip? in reply to Kent in KC, 08-02-2007 06:19:43  
If it feels spooky to you it is already to far over.
I've seen guys go on slopes I was uncomfortable with--so I say if it is uncomfortable or spooky just don't go there.



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cj3b_jeep

08-02-2007 07:39:38




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 Re: How far can I tilt before I tip? in reply to Kent in KC, 08-02-2007 06:19:43  
Not only the rollover is a hazzard, but trying to keep it straight on a hilside like that would be a bear.



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RustyFarmall

08-02-2007 07:08:35




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 Re: How far can I tilt before I tip? in reply to Kent in KC, 08-02-2007 06:19:43  
Stay off of that dam!! Get a good stand of grass growing on it, use some 2,4D to control the unwanted weeds, and just let it go natural.



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W4

08-02-2007 07:05:46




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 Re: How far can I tilt before I tip? in reply to Kent in KC, 08-02-2007 06:19:43  
Roundup??



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K-Mo

08-02-2007 06:55:48




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 Re: How far can I tilt before I tip? in reply to Kent in KC, 08-02-2007 06:19:43  
Not necessarily applicable to your tractor, but I often see 15 degrees in many manuals. A low profile tractor, wheels set wide and wheels weights would give you a lower center of gravity. Roll over protection would be a good measure of safety.

It scares me to see them mow along the Interstate.

As Ken says, if you bounce into a hole on the low side or a bump in the high the rules change real fast.

K-Mo

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Allan In NE

08-02-2007 06:52:44




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 Re: How far can I tilt before I tip? in reply to Kent in KC, 08-02-2007 06:19:43  
Once it tips, it's too late.

Stay off that damned dam. :>)

Allan



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bjb in Ne

08-02-2007 06:49:54




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 Re: How far can I tilt before I tip? in reply to Kent in KC, 08-02-2007 06:19:43  
The safest thing to do would to see if you can have the dam regraded to have less slope. Otherwise look into an aftermarket ROPS.

Another thing you could do is see if you could buy or build a long articulating arm so you stay on top and the mower rides on the slope.

Rolling over on a tractor is probably the most dangerous thing that can happen to an operator.



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Ken Macfarlane

08-02-2007 06:31:31




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 Re: How far can I tilt before I tip? in reply to Kent in KC, 08-02-2007 06:19:43  
Not far if you are driving. A small bump can toss you over when at an angle.



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