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voltage regulator VS cut out in 6 V system

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07-30-2007 19:55:33




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What are the differences between a voltage regulator and a cut out, and their applications in old tractors.???




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35 A

07-30-2007 20:54:57




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 Re: voltage regulator VS cut out in 6 V system in reply to flashback, 07-30-2007 19:55:33  
You can use 12 volts on a 6 volt starter, just don't grind on it for long periods. I had an Oliver 88 that was 6 volt but changed to 12. Put brushes in it once in 18 years



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Gerald J.

07-30-2007 20:33:10




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 Re: voltage regulator VS cut out in 6 V system in reply to flashback, 07-30-2007 19:55:33  
A cutout is a part of a regulator. The cutout disconnects the generator when its not producing enough voltage to charge the battery. Those I've been around actually let the idling generator discharge the battery some.

A generator used with a cutout alone usually has three brushes and the third brush serves to set the generator's charging current which it holds independent of the battery's need for charging and the needs of other loads. In the 30s, cars used three brush generators and smart drivers turned on the headlights after they had driven far enough to have charged the battery. In this scheme the generator will overcharge the battery if that subterfuge is not done. An overcharged battery looses lots of water and if that is not regularly replenished the battery dies an early death.

A voltage regulator holds the generator to 7.1 volts (ideally) which is the precise voltage that the battery chemistry works best with. That will charge the battery as fast as possible, but will not over charge it. The battery current decreases with time of charging. The generator current varies to supply only the needs and the battery can last years instead of months. This is also more energy efficient because the generator puts out only the power needed, not all it can all the time.

In AC tractors the light switch also varied the generator charging current, when wired right, and using a three brush generator with a cutout.

Gerald J.

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35 A

07-30-2007 20:33:09




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 Re: voltage regulator VS cut out in 6 V system in reply to flashback, 07-30-2007 19:55:33  
The cut out acts as a switch allowing the gen. to charge the battery, but does not control the amount of charge going to the bat. The older gen. usually had an adjustment screw on the end plate and or movable 3rd brush to control amperage flow to the bat. You could over charge the bat. if the charging rate was set too high and cause the bat. to "boil over" The voltage reg. system only allows the gen. to charge the bat. as needed. If the battery is low the reg. compensates by increasing the amp. flow to the bat. Hope this helps

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07-30-2007 20:43:20




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 Re: voltage regulator VS cut out in 6 V system in reply to 35 A, 07-30-2007 20:33:09  
Then if I use a voltage regulator just to charge the battery it is ok. My tractor is a magneto type but I have a starter that I start the tractor with. Now I just charge to battery every once in a while but if I add a generator with a voltage regulator that will be OK to charge the battery and run some lights if I decide to add them. Could I use a 12 volt batteery or must it be a 6 V. Thanks. You both helped a lot

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Gerald J.

07-31-2007 08:56:10




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 Re: voltage regulator VS cut out in 6 V system in reply to flashback, 07-30-2007 20:43:20  
If you have a 6 volt regulator, you need a 6 volt battery. Its possible to install a properly wired 12 volt regulator but you won't get battery charging at low engine speeds.

The 6 volt starter will generaly stand 12 volts, but with a magneto it can cause hard starts because sometimes the starter turns the engine too fast for the impulse start of the magneto to operate which means poor spark.

Gerald J.

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