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What made them sell?

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flying belgian

07-19-2007 18:44:51




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How come JD and IHC were so popular in there early days? Were they a better machine or was there marketing just that much better?




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Brad Wright of Missouri

07-20-2007 14:27:30




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 Re: What made them sell? in reply to flying belgian, 07-19-2007 18:44:51  
Well i believe that in the 60's and 70's Allis Chalmers was a big competitor. Then they were bought out. My personal opinion is that before the new generation john deere tractors the older john deeres werent outstanding tractors. I would pick an older allis over the older john deeres any day. but thats my opinion.



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dej(jed)

07-20-2007 10:04:03




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 Re: What made them sell? in reply to flying belgian, 07-19-2007 18:44:51  
Oliver was the Cadillac? I can remeber when Oliver hit the market and they were always broke down.Well now that is just like Cadillac the more I think about it.



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rrlund

07-20-2007 11:28:21




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 Re: What made them sell? in reply to dej(jed), 07-20-2007 10:04:03  
And just as expensive to fix in their day too.



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rrlund

07-20-2007 06:54:05




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 Re: What made them sell? in reply to flying belgian, 07-19-2007 18:44:51  
Just a matter of dealerships and service. They had the most. That was the reason Allis Chalmers bought out Rumly was to get their dealership network and the reason Case bought IH. Oliver was the Cadilac no doubt,but if you had to drive three towns over when there was a JD and IH dealer both in your town,it was hard to justify having the best.



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georgeky

07-20-2007 07:21:29




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 Re: What made them sell? in reply to rrlund, 07-20-2007 06:54:05  
Case didn't buy anything. Tenneco bought case and seen that they couldn't save it by itself and then bought IH and merged the two together hoping to save somthing. Of course now they are out of the picture.



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MarkB_MI

07-20-2007 03:24:49




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 Re: What made them sell? in reply to flying belgian, 07-19-2007 18:44:51  
What do you mean by the "early days"? Both John Deere and IHC were well-established companies before 1890. John Deere invented a steel plow that could till the midwestern prairies in 1837, while Cyrus McCormick started the company that became International Harvester when he invented his "Reaper" in 1831. (IHC was actually formed in 1902 when McCormick Harvester merged with several other companies.)

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Traditional Farmer

07-19-2007 22:36:25




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 Re: What made them sell? in reply to flying belgian, 07-19-2007 18:44:51  
They were cheaper than everything else.



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Bob Kerr

07-19-2007 19:09:34




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 Re: What made them sell? in reply to flying belgian, 07-19-2007 18:44:51  
Price had a lot to do with it, but reliability was a big factor also. Better include parts availability in there. Rumley at one time had dealerships all over the US and world for that matter back in the early days but they were priced higher. They may have had more dealers than IH and JD combined around 1900-1910. One bad thing they didn't do was keep up with the times and also they grew too fast.

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old

07-19-2007 18:53:51




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 Re: What made them sell? in reply to flying belgian, 07-19-2007 18:44:51  
A lot of it was they had dealers in just about any small town so it was easy to find a dealer and or parts.



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Carl NY

07-19-2007 19:06:33




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 Re: What made them sell? in reply to old, 07-19-2007 18:53:51  
Old you are absolutely correct. Here in NY every little town seem to have dealerships. Nothing like the elaborate stores Deere requires their dealers to have today. Life was much simpler.



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