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Well, I can't believe I did this.............

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Luke S

07-16-2007 07:48:29




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I have been fighting finding help to bale my "idiot cubes" as Allan calls them(square bales). Last cutting my wagon riders told me they could work all day then when they show up they tell me they can only stay till four PM as they had to go to a four wheeler race. We did not start baling till noon as the hay was a little tough and I had a heck of a lot of hay down. So they rode till 4pm and left, I unhooked from the wagon and baled the rest on the ground and had my 7 year old cousin steer the tractor in low gear at idle and I picked bales off of the ground by myself.

So, I have been debating stack wagon vs. accumulator/grapple for quite sometime, but I am about as tight as bark on a tree when it comes to money. After the wife and I had much deliberation on the issue she finally convinced me to just go ahead and spend the $7,626 on a new Accumul8 and matching grapple from Agway. Supposed to be here in a couple weeks just in time for my third cutting of red clover. Anybody have any opinions on the Agway Acuumul8? To late now as I've all ready ordered it, but just wondering?

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Jimmy king

07-17-2007 21:35:12




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 Re: Well, I can't believe I did this............. in reply to Luke S, 07-16-2007 07:48:29  
We were talking at the coffee shop the other day you used to be able to drive up in front of the pool hall and hollar for hay haulers and they would knock each other down trying to be first, today they knock each other down trying to get out the back door.



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John S-B

07-16-2007 19:25:33




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 Re: Well, I can't believe I did this............. in reply to Luke S, 07-16-2007 07:48:29  
I just got a used EZ trail bale wagon, it has a chute that takes the bales from the back of the baler using the power from the plunger to push them up and into the basket. When the basket is full you just pull a lever and it dumps all the bales out on the ground. Works pretty good and I don't have to pay someone to ride the wagon. Biggest downside is you can't make sharp turns or the bale in between the chute and the baler gets mangled. Holds about a hundred bales.

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John (MO)

07-16-2007 11:07:34




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 Re: Well, I can't believe I did this............. in reply to Luke S, 07-16-2007 07:48:29  
Just the other day it was 97 in the shade and clouding up. I told my wife I sure wish I had a few hundred small bales tied up in the field. But I didn't, I'd already baled and wrapped all the hay, so I had a glass of tea instead.



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Dave from MN

07-16-2007 10:27:13




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 Re: Well, I can't believe I did this............. in reply to Luke S, 07-16-2007 07:48:29  
Hmm, I mention haying, or anything farming and I have bout 5-7 kids just jumping at the chance, most have relation on farms, but dont live on em themselves.Kids are a product of their parents, my freinds that sit at the lake or rv park all weekend long drinking, their kids dont want to do nothing, ever. My freinds that grew up country, their kids cant get enough of work, but they are a dying breed, thanks alot big development, good luck finding good workers in 10 years to build your houses.

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Keith Harpster

07-16-2007 09:49:47




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 Re: Well, I can't believe I did this............. in reply to Luke S, 07-16-2007 07:48:29  
The biggest down side I see would be flat stack vs. on edge. On edge storage is much better Take a look at www.kuhnsmfg.com great guys to deal with. They put up hay themselves, and build their own machine. An Accumulate drags them on the ground, not good. Just an opinion from someone who spent 3 years trying to decide what brand and type to purchase.



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Luke S

07-16-2007 10:04:42




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 Re: Well, I can't believe I did this............. in reply to Keith Harpster, 07-16-2007 09:49:47  
I looked at the Kuhn and it was my first choice, but it was just too much money. I am really working on a budget and the Kuhn would have blew the budget to heck. I figured the drag type would tear up the bales but I talked to some guys who had them and they said it really hasn't been an issue. We'll see?



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Larry NE IL

07-16-2007 13:42:38




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 Re: Well, I can't believe I did this............. in reply to Luke S, 07-16-2007 10:04:42  
I got the same one only it's green and had a different name. ILOVE IT!! Dragging don't hurt anything, unless you drag too far. If you need to move from one side of a field to another, drop the bales you have before moving or you'll rub through the strrings. I've changed to plaswtic twine for that reason.
When you load your wagon, start your two stacks ab out 1.0' apart. as you build the stacks keep edging them closer together so thay lean on each other, finish with bales cross wise the trailer then one stack length wise in the middle. Holds the load tight.
Always stack each layer cross wise to the previous one. You can't tie them together like when hand stacking.
When stacking in the barn, always place a dozen bales on edge before stacking with the grapple. The first course must b solid to support the rest of the load.
Good Luck, you and your back are going to love your decision!
Larry NE IL

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Luke S

07-16-2007 15:30:14




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 Re: Well, I can't believe I did this............. in reply to Larry NE IL, 07-16-2007 13:42:38  
Thanks for the info Larry! Back to your stacking technique? Are you saying you change the direction the bales are loaded every time you set another tier down? Guess I'd have to unhook my wagons from the tractor and each other and remove the backboard? I had the idea to make a front board like the back board that so that there was just enough room between them for two grapple widths, and then just set em on from the side of the wagons? I don't know?

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Bill in Colo

07-16-2007 09:21:42




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 Re: Well, I can't believe I did this............. in reply to Luke S, 07-16-2007 07:48:29  
Been there! Bought eight pack system from Farmhand in 1970.used it most of the 70's worked fine until I went past 10,000 bales.1980 parked it in the barn,bought a super 1049 used it 5 years until my back forced me to round bales four balers later still don't do small bales. Sold the eightpack in 1994 for about the new cost.
Suggestion for about the same money you can buy a used New Holland 120 bale wagon, and pickup a lot more hay in a day.

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Luke S

07-16-2007 09:49:24




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 Re: Well, I can't believe I did this............. in reply to Bill in Colo, 07-16-2007 09:21:42  
Bill, I looked at the farmhand and decided all of it's hydraulics and stuff were too complex, and pricy! I really considered going the NH stackwagon way but I don't have a big enough tractor to handle the big 100 bale wagons. I could only pull the 55-68 models and my fields are scattered all over so there would be a lot of road time, and I'd have to build a higher barn to dump. The agway system looks real simple as it just drags the bales along the ground, and no hydraulics. I figure I should be able to get 10-20 years out of the thing as I only bale 3,000-5,000 bales per year and I keep my equipment under the shed and serviced well. With this accumulator set-up I can hook two or three big haay wagons together and mover 200-300 bales at a time instead of 50-60 with the stack wagon. I really weighed every veriable before I pulled the trigger on this thing.

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Dr Philo

07-16-2007 08:25:46




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 Re: Well, I can't believe I did this............. in reply to Luke S, 07-16-2007 07:48:29  
Sounds like a case for Dr Philo...don't get mad as I haven't had coffee yet this morning an am a bit rank...so here's the deal.
You can't blame those high school boys for wanting to race their 4-wheelers...
If you would pay them a decent wage, they would probably have shown up the next morning for sure...problem solved...
Instead, you busted your butt to do it yourself, and then got frustrated and blew 8 grand on a machine you hadn't researched, and don't know if will work for your needs.
Them high school boys would have hauled your hay, washed your truck, and mowed your yard for way less than 8 G's...see the point?
No Offense...Dr. Philo

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Luke S

07-16-2007 08:40:38




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 Re: Well, I can't believe I did this............. in reply to Dr Philo, 07-16-2007 08:25:46  
Wow, that was an interesting repsonse. I guess $15 an hour is not good enough for high school kids? Waiting till the next morning was not an option, as it rained that night. I researched the machine A LOT, I just wondered if anybody here had one and how they were gettting along. High school kids are waaaaa aayyyyy yy too undependable to rely on as your main workforce when you are trying to put up several thousand a year good horse quality square bales.

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KJL

07-16-2007 12:35:11




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 Re: Well, I can't believe I did this............. in reply to Luke S, 07-16-2007 08:40:38  
where do you live? it must be in the wrong place. i know plenty of kids where i live who would do hay anytime you wanted for as long as you wanted for $15/hour. i remember doing it for $6/hour just a couple years ago.



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Dr Philo

07-16-2007 09:05:58




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 Re: Well, I can't believe I did this............. in reply to Luke S, 07-16-2007 08:40:38  
Had the coffee finally...sorry to have been honery...haha. $15/hr seems preety good to me as we used to think $7 was big money...guess it's easier to collect FEMA or welfare though...
Last year was too dry and nobody had hay, and this year is so wet very few have been able to get in to bale...best of luck on that machine!



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mjbrown

07-16-2007 08:21:18




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 Re: Well, I can't believe I did this............. in reply to Luke S, 07-16-2007 07:48:29  
I hear ya . I gave up on small squares because of the help issue and I didn't want to go so big I could justify a stackwagon.. The help would show up haveing just got out of bed, hadn't eaten anything yet so no get up and go. I ended up haveing to feed em hot dogs and coke so they would be any use at all. Then they wanted to be paid the end of each day.



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Luke S

07-16-2007 07:58:27




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 Re: Well, I can't believe I did this............. in reply to Luke S, 07-16-2007 07:48:29  
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JV3CII

07-16-2007 08:42:24




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 Re: Well, I can't believe I did this............. in reply to Luke S, 07-16-2007 07:58:27  
Yep, those things have been working well round here for years. They're about the fastest way of handling big quantities of small bales.
Don't bother with the stack lifters though, you'll spend more time repairing them than using them. A decent flat bale trailer is easier, cheaper and safer.
Cheers, JV.



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