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OT: I did my good deed for the day.

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Midwest redneck

07-12-2007 14:00:02




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Today, 7-12 I was walking out of a subway sub shop and a girl (about 25 years old) was just about to take off the radiator cap off her car, she just pulled up in the parking lot too. I said "DONT TAKE THAT CAP OFF" She says how come. I explained to her that hot radiator fluid will burn and she needs to wait a while for the car to cool off. She said that her boyfriend had to put water in the car this AM and he said that if the car gets too hot...over 220f on the indicator to put more water in, the car was reading 280f. The over fill tank was about 1/2 full.

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Katharine

07-13-2007 08:24:49




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 Re: OT: I did my good deed for the day. in reply to Midwest redneck, 07-12-2007 14:00:02  
Did any of you kind souls advise her to also get a pressure-relief cap on her radiator for the next time problems happen?



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Semper Fi Guy

07-13-2007 04:06:30




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 Re: OT: I did my good deed for the day. in reply to Midwest redneck, 07-12-2007 14:00:02  
Her problems would be taken care of if she replaces the boyfriend with a proper one.



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MarkB_MI

07-12-2007 18:59:45




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 Re: OT: I did my good deed for the day. in reply to Midwest redneck, 07-12-2007 14:00:02  
Yes, you did right. Most folks don't realize that when you take the pressure off the cooling system, the superheated water actually becomes hotter as it vaporizes. That's right, 250 degree steam is much hotter than 250 degree water, which is why steam burns are so serious.

Sounds like a blown head gasket, BTW.



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David Snipes

07-13-2007 07:44:13




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 Re: OT: I did my good deed for the day. in reply to MarkB_MI, 07-12-2007 18:59:45  
Heat is molecular motion. The heat is the greatest when the fluid is kept under pressure. As soon as the fluid expands, it begins losing heat. The steam burns probably seem worse because the steam can spread rapidly around a persons body and cause more damage that a splash of hot water.



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Farmall MD

07-13-2007 01:23:29




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 Re: OT: I did my good deed for the day. in reply to MarkB_MI, 07-12-2007 18:59:45  
"That's right, 250 degree steam is much hotter than 250 degree water,"

WHAT? 250 degress is 250 degrees. How can 250 degrees be much hotter that 250 degrees?



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MarkB_MI

07-14-2007 04:21:30




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 Re: OT: I did my good deed for the day. in reply to Farmall MD, 07-13-2007 01:23:29  
By "hotter", I mean that 250 degree steam contains more energy that 250 degree water. This energy is called the "heat of vaporization", or more correctly the "enthalpy of vaporization". The heat of vaporization is the energy that has to be added to a substance at its boiling temperature to change it from liquid state to vapor. For water, the heat of vaporization is around 965 Btu per pound.

When superheated water in a cooling system is depressurized, the water has to change state from liquid to water. It does this by rapidly absorbing heat from the surrounding material. When the resulting steam comes in contact with your skin, it changes state again back to water, releasing the energy it picked up when it turned to steam. This energy is what causes steam burns to be so severe.

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nballen

07-13-2007 07:45:27




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 Re: OT: I did my good deed for the day. in reply to Farmall MD, 07-13-2007 01:23:29  
Doug, right?

I'll try to explain this...bear with me a little.

When water is heated in an open system, such as a pot on the stove, the temperature rises up to around 212 deg F. At that point any additional energy input to the water converts water to steam (which takes ~5X the amount of energy required to raise the temperature of water from 32 deg F (but still liquid) to 212 deg F (but still liquid).

HOWEVER, because the engine cooling system is pressurized, the temperature of the liquid water can be increased above the natural boiling temperature. When the pressure is released, some of the energy of that pressure is used to convert the liquid water to steam. When the steam condenses on an object (such as that young lady's arm) the steam/water "gives back" that energy very rapidly! That 5X energy required to convert liquid to steam is what makes a steam burn so much worse than a liquid burn.

I think MarkB_MI is using temperature as a proxy for energy - since we can physically measure temperature, but can't quite come up with an "energy gage".

I'll be glad to go into more detail is you would like,...but I don't want to get too nerdy! (grin)

Nathaniel

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NC Wayne

07-12-2007 16:00:35




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 Re: OT: I did my good deed for the day. in reply to Midwest redneck, 07-12-2007 14:00:02  
Got a call from a friend recently to change a flat for his wife and her friend right close to my house. Beautiful women, shame they were both married. Bad thing is the first thing I did when I showed up was ask them for the owners manual so I could read the directions. Think how embarrasing that was for me to do since I'm a mechanic by trade, especially when I heard my buddies wife on the phone with him asking just who was this guy he sent to help them that had to ask for the directions. In my defense, changing the tire, no problem... figuring out on one of these newer SUV's where the tools were, then where the trick was to lower the winch holding up the spare, etc, that was another story. Thank goodness for the instructions. Prime example of the difference between a real mechanic and a want to be. A real mechanic has no problem saying I don't know and checking the manual. The want-to-be jumps in and screws everything up ... and then calls a real mechanic to fix his mess. LOL.

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John S-B

07-12-2007 15:57:14




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 Re: OT: I did my good deed for the day. in reply to Midwest redneck, 07-12-2007 14:00:02  
Not much of a boyfriend...280...That's gonna do a lot more than hurt.



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mjbrown

07-12-2007 14:46:18




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 Re: OT: I did my good deed for the day. in reply to Midwest redneck, 07-12-2007 14:00:02  
Did you get her phone number, Sir Lancelot?;-)



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midwest redneck

07-12-2007 15:14:23




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 Re: OT: I did my good deed for the day. in reply to mjbrown, 07-12-2007 14:46:18  
I am already married, but she did have nice *reasts.



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Farmall MD

07-12-2007 15:04:07




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 Re: OT: I did my good deed for the day. in reply to mjbrown, 07-12-2007 14:46:18  
Yeah, that's the first thing I thought of when I read the post. LOL



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Farmall MD

07-12-2007 14:36:52




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 Re: OT: I did my good deed for the day. in reply to Midwest redneck, 07-12-2007 14:00:02  
Man, you just saved her some pain. That hurts like h*ll. It most likely was around 230-250 deg when she shut it off, then it climbed to 280. Usually they'll clmb 20-30 degrees when you shut off an engine. Doug N



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