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OT-- Poor customer service...agree or not?

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NCWayne

07-11-2007 18:58:17




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Hey guys, after what happened last night I wanted to run this past ya'll and see if I'm the only one that thinks this was wrong. It's a long story but I'll try to hit the high points and keep it as short as possible--- I was trying to help out a female friend that is out of town taking care of some family business. She's been a friend for years and I helped raise her son and she's finally getting a court date with the worthless SOB that fathered her son to maybe get some child support after 11 years. Friend or not I didn't want to give her my card, you know women and money (and I know her LOL), but I still wanted to help her out. So when I knew where she was gonna stop for the night I called the hotel chains reservation number about an hour prior to her arrival, and using my credit card made a guaranteed reservation. I recieved a confirmation number, etc and was told that whether anyone showed up or not my card would be charged. When she got there about 11PM last night she was refused a room because she didn't have my card to physically hand to them. I got the impression all they wanted was the card wether I was there or not. That said if I could have found a fax machine at 11PM last night and faxed them a copy of the card, my ID, and signature they'd let her have the room no questions asked. I've used this chain many times before (wasn't gonna mention the name but the more I wrote and thought about the whole thing the madder I got, again, so what the heck, it was a Holiday Inn Express in Bessemer, Alabama. After this I think they deserve a little bad publicity) when out of town on business and have had a "Gold" Priority Club card for over 4 years. That being the case I was asked for and gave that info when I made the reservation also. In other words they would have had no problem verifying my club card info with my credit card info, etc. When the clerk couldn't seem to get past their "policy" I called the corprate customer service department and the lady there tried to get them to make good on the room, again with no success. In the end my friend, her 11 year son, and her mom, who are with her, had to ride around a strange town, after driving nearly 700 miles, at 11:30 at night, to find another place to stay. I called and talked to several layers of managment this morning and depending on who I talked to the response was that it was 'their policy' that the card had to be present, it was the 'banks policy', but in the end and it was all for "my security". Problem is the franshised chains like this let their individual franchises set their own policies and have no control over them in that respect. Personally I still don't like having to call anywhere and use a credit card but nowdays it's a fact of life. Too, and I don't know about ya'll, but having to copy my card and an authorization to use it, along with my ID, and then fax it to someone I don't know seems less secure to me than simply calling and giving the necessary info on the reservation line. The thought of the possibility of having a hard copy of that kind of info "floating around" is scary. True I know there is alot of personal info out there, more than we might imagine, but to actively contribute to it in the name of my security is ridiculous in my mind. The way I see it I made the purchase securely online or in my case actually called the toll free number. In doing so I gave a verbal authorization for the charges to my card. That's no different than any other card transaction, online or on the phone, that I make quite frequently at work buying thousands of dollars worth of parts and have never had a problem. In the end this situation all comes down to this. As long as no one shows up the authorization you give online is enough to prove to them your who you say you are, and it's your card so their gonna charge (have the RIGHT TO CHARGE in their terms) the room to you regardless ...However if someone shows up that isn't you, and doesn't have the card in hand they're screwed. Even though they have the confirmation number, you on their cell phone and you on a second the phone with customer service who is calling the clerk, IT MUST BE FRAUD OR ID THEFT so their gonna be denied a room.... even though your still gonna be charged for it because you had a reservation. I am happy to say after I raised enough he-- last night and this morning the motel in question "did me a favor" (the impression I got) and didn't charge my card. What really makes me mad is that at no time did they say we're sorry for the problem last night. The best I got was "we're sorry your upset about what happened" but "it's our policy and it's for your security". It;s sad to say, but to me this is nothing more than a case of about the worst customer service I've experienced in many years. Funny thing it was all done with my security in mind...LOL Now tell me guys, "policy" or no policy, does refusing a room to a woman, her son, and mom, at 11PM, under these conditions, hell under any conditions, sound right to you? Was this customer service or the worst lack customer service of you've ever heard of??? I'm curious as to what ya'll think.

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Brian in Ohio

07-12-2007 09:18:32




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 Re: OT-- Poor customer service...LONG REPLY in reply to NCWayne, 07-11-2007 18:58:17  
OK Guys, I'm gonna chime in here, only because I've been a hotel Front Desk Manager for over 8 years. (Different brand, but similar to the brand you were dealing with.) So, I'd like to think that I know what I'm talking about...

First of all, the clerk was wrong in NOT giving your friends the room. Unless she was completely sold out, with the exception of that room, she should have let your friends in, and agreed to settle everything with your credit card in the morning. Net result - you friends get a place to stay late at night, the hotel gets their money, life is good...

Second, I know WHY the clerk did what they did, and while that policy seems silly on the outside, when you look at it closer, it will make more sense. It's done PRIMARILY for security purposes, for both the hotel AND the CC holder. When you make a reservation over the telephone, especially through a 1-800 central reservations number, and you read them your CC number, you could be giving ANYONE'S number at that point, and the reservationist has no way of knowing. As long as the number comes up as a valid CC number in their computer system, they accept it and go on. They have NO IDEA who you are on the other end of the phone line, so for all intents and purposes, you could be Allen in Nebraska, who has stolen YOUR credit card, and is charging a room onto your card. Now, when the guest shows up at the desk, they are asked to present their CC, or pay with cash. If the guest wants to use the CC that was used to hold the reservation, it must be presented, that way the hotel can get an imprint, whether it be electronic by swiping it, or physical, by getting a carbon copy image, proving that the actaul CC was presented at check in, so that when the charges are put through later, and you try to dispute it for what ever reason, they have that record on file. Hotels can use a "3rd Party Authorization", which is what that particular clerk asked you for, a copy of your CC, Driver's License, and signature. Banks and CC companies will allow hotels to use 3rd Party Auths, in lieu of the actual CC, when a someone is wanting to do what you were doing last night.

Now, I realize that all of this makes no sense to you, and you think of it as poor customer service. While I agree that the hotel should had done a better job of offering an apology, hotels have to protect themselves AND you in cases like this. When you purchase tractor parts or anything through the internet, or via phone, there is a paper trail that goes along with it. The records of the order, shipment of the part, and the part itself. Ever notice how if you go out to dinner, and you want to use a CC, you can't just give them your number on a piece of paper? They actually require the card, because once you have eaten the meal and leave, there's no other record of you being there. This theory applies to hotels too. Once you leave, and if there was no valid CC transaction records, there would be no way of proving that you were there, you can dispute the charges, get refunded, and the hotel loses out on their money. Plus, having your credit card in their hand, along with your signature on the receipt, matching with the signature on the back of the card, means YOU are the person authorized to use the card. Security on YOUR BEHALF.

Not everything that hotel did was done RIGHT, and they should have been a little more flexible under the circumstances. But what that desk clerk did was, under normal circumstances, correct by hotel standards.

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NC Wayne

07-12-2007 15:16:53




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 Re: OT-- Poor customer service...LONG REPLY in reply to Brian in Ohio, 07-12-2007 09:18:32  
I understand what your saying and it's basically the same things they were telling me. Thing is even in the case of a stolen card they still have no way of knowing if I am the legal holder of the card because I could just as easily have sent them a copy of someone elses card and ID that matched. If I stold the wallet then I've got everything so what difference does that make. Too they have no idea what I or my signature really look like so where's the security in that. You talk about a paper trail. If they've got my authorization on the card (that their gonna use to make a charge to it regardless of wether I show up or not) the person checking in has the correct confirmation number, they get the ID and signature of the person checking in along with, their tag number, and whatever other information they want to get, they have plenty of a "paper trail" along with proof of service. If I were to decide to contest the charges the only thing keeping them from going against me or the person actually staying in the room would be them taking the time to do it. If they don't take that time that's their fault and by not prosecuting all they do is open the door to the next person that knows their gonna get a free ride. Now as far as buying something online it would actually be just as easy to contest the charges and say you never recieved the item as it would be in a case like this. In that instance the ONLY information they have would be your card info and a shipping address that may or may not the same as the billing address and it may not actually be yours. Heck I've bought parts over the phone with a card and had it delievered to a hotel's front desk when I've been out of town working. Still a delievery service can drop off a package to a business with no signature, so no proof you got the part, and on the other end all the've got, again, is your verbal authorization. In this case at the motel they've actually got information on the people staying there along with your info. I know it has probably happened, I've seen too much not to give it thought, but I just can't see someone going through some elaborite scam to get a motel room for one night. Maybe they want a suite for a week or something like that, that might be worth the scam but in a case like this it's simply ridiculous. Like you said their were probably other things that could have been done that weren't even offered. As far as them loosing money to scams, etc I got some of what was told to me indicated that they had had people contest charges, etc before but instead of pursuing the issue they just took the loss. Like any crime it might take a little bit of money in the beginning to prosecute the offenders but if everyone knows they can do something and get away scott free then their gonna loose alot more in the long run than it would take to prosecute the first few and make examples of them. But that's just my thinking on the situation... for what it was worth the other night.

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Mike (WA)

07-12-2007 08:37:19




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 Re: OT-- Poor customer service...agree or not? in reply to NCWayne, 07-11-2007 18:58:17  
Couple of problems with their "policy"- It should have been clear to them when you called, that the woman wouldn't have the card when she arrived, so they should have told you of the problem then, and either refused the reservation, or made an exception. Second, the idea that they would refuse her the room, but still charge your card, is ridiculous. Again, either give her the room and charge your card, or refuse it, but as far as I can see, refusing the room and then charging your card constitutes theft. If its a "security issue", then refuse the transaction; they're just trying to walk both sides of the street (get your money if the card is legit, but just to be on the safe side, don't deliver the goods in case its not).

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rrlund

07-12-2007 07:58:02




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 Re: OT-- Poor customer service...agree or not? in reply to NCWayne, 07-11-2007 18:58:17  
Sounds like a pain in the neck,but in this day and age of identity theft,to be honest,I'm kind of glad to hear that they won't just take somebodys word for it over the phone.I've had my card number stolen over the internet before,believe it or not by somebody tapping the records of my internet service provider. They had it on file to pay my monthly bill. I'm just glad nobody let the theif use my number over the phone.

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Walt Davies

07-12-2007 06:36:34




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 Re: OT-- Poor customer service...agree or not? in reply to NCWayne, 07-11-2007 18:58:17  
Bought an air compressor for my nephew a few year back from sears he lives in Sacto, ca and I live in Oregon. they wouldn't let him pick it up without my card. it seems to the way things are now with all the fraud out there.
Walt



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havvey

07-12-2007 05:59:53




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 Re: OT-- Poor customer service...agree or not? in reply to NCWayne, 07-11-2007 18:58:17  
I have been on the road and had some episodes at motels. Yes Customer service is horrible today anywhere. If its a policy you are not going to change it. Here is a few of my episodes 1. Motel does not accept cash!! 2. Our reservations were cancelled (large event) someone payed more for the room!! 3. Motel clerk does not speak english (common problem) I have a friend that books 2 or 3 motels on a trip and then cancels the unwanted ones when he gets to one, seems to work good.

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No Party.

07-12-2007 00:00:46




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 Re: OT-- Poor customer service...agree or not? in reply to NCWayne, 07-11-2007 18:58:17  
Sounds like you are getting your nose in some business you hadn't ought to be. I really liked the comment on the worthless Sob that fathered her kid. Is that what you tell the kid, that his dad is a worthless sob? Your just a friend waiting in the wings right? You should not be worrying about another man paying his child support. The holiday inn probably saved you from blowing $100 bucks of the money you are wasting trying to buy a girls affection sucker! You could probably tell us the rest of the story on what a good guy you are and what a loser she was with. Classic story that every future boyfriend wants everyone to believe. Let me guess, you work together and she thinks you are really nice and a good listner. Ha, give me a break. Men only have one motive and being a nice "friend" aint it! Call up Dr. Laura, she will tell you the same thing. If you think the people that read this board are a bunch of backwoods hicks that were born yesterday and are going to sympathize with you, guess what? Wrong.

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Don-Wi

07-12-2007 23:26:09




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 Re: OT-- Poor customer service...agree or not? in reply to No Party., 07-12-2007 00:00:46  
I'm with 135 on this one- Some people actually do go well out of their way to help someone out- even if it's a complete and total stranger.

Sure wouldn't wanna end up on your city block - your neighbors would probably mug me after my car got a flat from the nails they put in the road.

All those babbling idiots that call themselves a psychiatrist on TV are a friggin joke. Never even heard of dr. laura- I'm too busy working for a lving to watch any day-time TV.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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135 Fan

07-12-2007 08:29:38




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 Re: OT-- Poor customer service...agree or not? in reply to No Party., 07-12-2007 00:00:46  
Interesting theory you have. Your biggest problem is listening to anything Dr. Laura has to say. You've never heard of someone trying to help someone else out who's going through a rough time. I'll bet you don't even live in the country and if you do, you're a city slicker wanna be. Most country people are more than willing to help others out. Dave



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No Party

07-12-2007 08:56:48




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 Re: OT-- Poor customer service...agree or not? in reply to 135 Fan, 07-12-2007 08:29:38  
What part of the above message was unhelpful? Country people keep their nose out of other's business! If someone asks for advice/help you give them honest answers and advice, that is the country way. Don't sugar coat things it ain't right!



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colekicker

07-11-2007 21:16:25




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 Re: OT-- Poor customer service...agree or not? in reply to NCWayne, 07-11-2007 18:58:17  
NCWayne, I am Platinum Club member with Priority Club. If you booked the reservation through Priority Club, demand they compensate you with points. Don"t back down. They just now switched their platinum number back to the states. If you do book through priority club, you can have them note on the reservation if someone other than yourself is staying. I have done this with my mother-in-law before. You deserve to be compensated. If the room had been an advanced purchase, they would have already charged your card. It sounds like it just needs to go through everyone at PC so that you can be compensated for the idiots at the hotel.

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135 Fan

07-11-2007 20:26:42




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 Re: OT-- Poor customer service...agree or not? in reply to NCWayne, 07-11-2007 18:58:17  
I'm sure you told them who your friend was and that she was coming. They also could have called you to confirm. I agree that there is CC fraud but sometimes a little common sense can go a long way to make a situation better. If it was someone trying CC fraud, I don't think they would go to all the trouble to phone the corporate office. What if someone forgot their card or needed some extra money or their card got lost? There are exceptions to the rules and yours was one of them. I'd be upset too. Dave

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RodInNS

07-11-2007 19:41:36




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 Re: OT-- Poor customer service...agree or not? in reply to NCWayne, 07-11-2007 18:58:17  
So, they could charge it to the card if you didn't show up at all.... but your friend shows up and then they can't charge it. That kind of lays waste to the security policy. If she'd just walked out and said nothing, you would have paid.

To a point I can see where they want to be very careful about cards. There's no shortage of bogus numbers floating around out there, and fraud's of kinds you and I probably can't imagine....
but i agree with you. I buy parts all the time by the thousands of dollars. It all goes on the cards, dealing with people hundreds of miles away that I've never met, and probably never will meet.
Ya think they could ease up or use a little more discretion once and a while.

Rod

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George D.

07-11-2007 20:41:17




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 Re: Poor customer service in reply to RodInNS, 07-11-2007 19:41:36  
Wayne --

Make sure you follow all of this up with a letter sent to the hotel chain's corporate headquarters, and be sure to CC: (send a copy to) the offending location as well. It's easy for any business to ignore a complaint once you've hung up the phone, but a letter is a physical piece of paper that sits on the desk and reminds them to look into the matter.

You may not get any more satisfaction, but at least you will have made your voice heard.

Unfortunately, this is another case where life is made unnecessarily difficult because of stuff that the bad guys (crooks/cheats/terrorists, etc.) have done in the past.

Sorry to hear of the unfortunate experience, and hope your friend is having better luck in her travels.

-- Geo. D.

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onefarmer

07-11-2007 19:34:27




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 Re: OT-- Poor customer service...agree or not? in reply to NCWayne, 07-11-2007 18:58:17  
I have worked their side of the counter and as an employee who has seen it all tend to agree with them. It would smell like CC fraud to me. But would very quick to make sure you wasn't charged at all due to the possible fraud. Most places with a physical store front like a hotel do require a card be presented. While you had the best of intentions, what happened is a sign of the times.



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onefarmer

07-11-2007 19:50:07




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 Re: OT-- Poor customer service...agree or not? in reply to onefarmer, 07-11-2007 19:34:27  
Oh I will also say I was screwxd by H Inn of Jonesville, Ga back in the late 80's My family made a reservation with a late arrival past 11pm and when we got there they had our reservation but no room. They offered to give us a room at their other place in Atlanta, a better room at the same price. But after driving from Lansing Mi we certainly didn't want to go backwards 30 minuites. I asked why there was no room they said it was standard to overbook. Headquarters heard all about it the next morning, after we spent the night in the car. They made it right. Didn't take the sting off the night in the car though.

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Jiles

07-11-2007 19:27:04




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 Re: OT-- Poor customer service...agree or not? in reply to NCWayne, 07-11-2007 18:58:17  
You are definately not NEW to this site. I have seen your name many times. This makes a big difference, as for as I am concerned, relating to off topic discussions. I think you are right to be upset and wanting to vent. I am sick and tired of being treated like a criminal by places that know me or should. There is very little personal service in this world today and I try to find business that appreciate my business. Thanks for the advertisment and I will remember--They may treat me the same way.

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Sid

07-11-2007 19:21:07




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 Re: OT-- Poor customer service...agree or not? in reply to NCWayne, 07-11-2007 18:58:17  
"I'm curious as to what ya'll think" I think your whining is without merit.



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Kevin (FL)

07-11-2007 19:19:21




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 Re: OT-- Poor customer service...agree or not? in reply to NCWayne, 07-11-2007 18:58:17  
Wayne,

I've had more than my share of road trips and the hotels always needed to "swipe" my card upon arrival. That being said, somehow if I can't make it to the hotel on time they don't seem to have a problem charging my card in my absence. Can't explain it I guess...



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monkey

07-11-2007 19:09:27




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 Re: OT-- Poor customer service...agree or not? in reply to NCWayne, 07-11-2007 18:58:17  
i agree. now go complain eleswhere. this site is for farm related issues.



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dds-inc

07-11-2007 19:19:33




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 Re: OT-- Poor customer service...agree or not? in reply to monkey, 07-11-2007 19:09:27  
easy up, pardner. No need to get way out of hand.

As for NCWayne, I think what we should all agree on is that it is a part of LIFE to have these things happen to us. No matter how inconvenient things are, how stupid things are, just know that you could be DEAD or on the verge of dying... you just gotta get over it, mister. Dwellin' on stuff makes life harder.



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n8terry

07-11-2007 21:03:58




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 Re: OT-- Poor customer service...agree or not? in reply to dds-inc, 07-11-2007 19:19:33  
with all due respect, you should practice what you preach. The insults you directed to me in the past tell me that you flip flop on your advice. Everything was fine till you brought my wife into it. I don't expect an apology.



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dds-inc

07-11-2007 21:22:28




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 Re: OT-- Poor customer service...agree or not? in reply to n8terry, 07-11-2007 21:03:58  
What? I don't even know who and/or what you're talking about.



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