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This isn't good, is it?

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Katharine

07-11-2007 18:03:25




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Hi Everybody,

We just bought this tractor, 75 Ford 3400, got it home (today), and am having trouble with it already. Test drove it and didn't have any of these problems...
A) Blowing oil from the driver's side head gasket all down the filter and out by where the stack comes out of the hood.
B) Power steering oil on a rapid drip from under the steering wheel on to the tractor body between your feet.
C) Tractor WON'T start immediately after being worked, unless jump started.
D) Blowing oil from a small diameter pipe directly underneath the tractor at the front end, right between where the two front wheels are. The sun has gone down and the lighting won't let me get any more decent pic's but I have a few, I can't figure out loading multiple pic's on here, so I I will have to do this with multiple posts.

Really seemed like a good tractor, but we got it home and the magic spell expired and it turned into a pumpkin! $3,100 included bush hog

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Used To Be Iowa Dave

07-12-2007 17:08:49




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 Re: This isn't good, is it? in reply to Katharine, 07-11-2007 18:03:25  
Hey Buddy, don't sweat it. I did the same thing for the same dollar amount on a similar sized Massey industrial a couple years back. Found enough evidence to convince me the seller engaged in active deception, but wth, life's short. Initially, I was frantic to fix it so as not to look the total fool to my wife (like she doesn't know already). God helped me fix that mistaken motivation by deploying my Guard unit right after I got it torn into a billion pieces. I literally said goodbye to my wife and kids with tears in my eyes, drove away from the house, stopped at the shed to take a last look at the carnage and thought, "It will never run again". Luckily we stayed stateside & I was able to get the engine transported to the base. Rebuilding it re-connected me with stuff I hadn't used since shop class, introduced me to this web page and all the fine humans that hang out here (and the entertaining few not-so-fine ones, bless their hearts), kept me connected to home and not connected to a lot of other temptations. Bad news? The other poster that said an overhaul will cost you what the tractor already did, is correct. Good news? It doesn't all have to come out of your pocket at once. Take the time to limp it along, note the issues, educate yourself as to what is really causing the symptoms, prioritize them, educate yourself on parts resources, budget the project, and move out. Buy the repair and parts manuals now, you won't regret it and it will help you with all the above steps. Bad news? The tractor won't have a market value of $7200 when you're done. Good news? The money will have purchased you more than a machine. Bad news? I'm deployed again and this time I don't have a tractor engine to work on, couldn't take it with me if I did, and won't have the time. Good news? I still have an awesome family at home and a sweet running tractor in the shed when I get back there. Good luck.

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Kansas Cockshutt

07-12-2007 16:17:58




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 Re: This isn't good, is it? in reply to Katharine, 07-11-2007 18:03:25  
Look on the bright side. At least it can do work for you right now, and you are not paying on a $15k machine. Anything can be fixed. The truth is you either make a big payment every month and have ALL your time to use your equipment or pay a fraction up front and have SOME time to work it and the REST of the time to repair it. If you don"t mind the nickel- dime routine and can spare a few hours you will do fine. Eventually you will have been through the whole tractor before you know it and will know exactly what you have. It may not seem that way now but if you keep your tractor that day will come when all it needs is a tube of grease and fuel. Don"t get discoraged. Welcome to the club! We have all been through it here, and we turned out fine... most of us at least :-)

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Billy NY

07-12-2007 05:30:41




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 Re: This isn't good, is it? in reply to Katharine, 07-11-2007 18:03:25  
I think that when dealing with older and or used tractors & equipment, it can be tough for a person to assess any particular one and determine what condition it is actually in, there will be things good and bad to find, then one must make a decision as to the value of that particular unit, based on what it is and what needs to be done to make it field ready etc. One like this, you would hope to have bought low, and I think you did ok there.

When I bought my 850 Ford, I violated a lot of rules, went to look at it at dusk, never looked at any others, it was very cold out, etc. etc. Now I paid about the same as you for it, included a SE-6 Rhino rotary cutter. This tractor was worn out, motor seemed to be running well, meaning no blow by or smoke etc., but the rest of the tractor was, hammered. Loader frame broken in 2 places, hard to start in the cold it's LPG (propane), starter drive was missing the flywheel, hard to engage, loader bucket well worn, rear tires nice 10 plies with lots of tread, both were sliced and or just look liked they were spun in the mud or in shale or something, they both failed, electrical wiring, was arcing out under the hood, muffler was bad, trans slips out of gear under heavy load and going down hill, front axle pivot pin was worn out, power steering not working, etc. etc. The list goes on, and had I really known, I would have not bought it. It had been for sale quite awhile too, but most were hesitant about the LPG set up, don't bother me at all, runs real clean actually. But I needed something, figuring I'd take a chance if it came back to bite me, so be it, I was making decent money and I'd recover, also though it a bit of a challenge too.

That said, I felt like you did at first, gee, what a P.O.S. but I took an interest into the old worn out beast, and it had been many years since I had been on one of these, + we had a Ford tractor dealership many years ago, had a lot of exposure and experience at a young age, I remember our lot full of the 65 & up models, specifically late 60's and early 70's models, just like yours. I always liked the early thousand series, and or the hundred series, we had a 64 4000 for years.

As time progressed, I fixed and repaired as much as I could, new tires, brakes, tune up, exhaust, rebuilt the vaporizor (lpg fuel system), repaired the loader frame, etc. etc. First time I took it to the field, fan belt broke, it overheated. I spent some time and a little money, not restored, just some of the things it needed, motor runs good, have a coolant leak still, can smell it when cutting high grass, still slips out of gear, hydraulics settle a bit, front pivot pin still worn out, might even need to split it at some point, clutch pedal binds on occasion. With the work I did to it, and the work it's done over the past 5 years, it does not owe me a dime. I did a landscaping job with it and it paid for itself, this year I used it on a jobsite, hoisted 3 vehicle lifts out of a building and sold same, it's actually made me some $$. I've done quite a bit of mowing and even some clearing that I'd have preferred to have done with a dozer, planted food plots etc. etc. That 3400 is a good model, learn about it, see what you can do as you can afford it and when down time will allow you to and after awhile, that tractor will be held in high regard. You could dump enough money into it to exceed it's current value, if you did a ground up restoration, but you could probably get away with a lot less, still have a field ready tractor, that has no payments, older, but well built, still has a good parts supply and following and so on. For the money you spent to get it + a few thousand more over time, in my opinion it's not the end of the world by any means, it is what you make of it, get the books for it, learn about it and take some time to learn how to repair it and or seek advice as you go along. After seeing what I consider a very worn out 850 can do and is still on the job today, these old tractors are certainly well worth repairing, even if over time, then you know what you have. If you have to run a tractor 8 hours a day and depend on it for a living, it's a different story, better to spend more up front for one in top condition or go for a new one, but for those part time chores during various seasons, weekend work etc., an older one needing some repairs can still perform, you just have to spend a little money and time to get it in the condition it needs to be in to stay reliable.

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Mark - IN.

07-12-2007 04:57:02




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 Re: This isn't good, is it? in reply to Katharine, 07-11-2007 18:03:25  
You bought an older used tractor, its bound to have some kinks that will need to be worked out. I"m sure that it"ll be a fine tractor afterwords. I"m not going to guess here based upon your descriptions what its going to need one way or the other, including any overhauls based upon what might just be seals or gaskets. Try the Ford board here as suggested, the folks over there will probably be able to key in on many or most of your problems.

My neighbor bought a golden jubilee from the guy that sold him his place, paid $5,500 for it. I shook my head, wasn"t worth it to me. It turned out to have major problems and wasn"t very usable. After two or three years of almost unusable, he sold it to some guy on ebay for $4,200. My initial guess is that you"ve done much better than he did. Check over at the Ford folks here.

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Wayne2

07-12-2007 04:40:45




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 Re: This isn't good, is it? in reply to Katharine, 07-11-2007 18:03:25  
Again it's just LIFE-can't(won't)tell bout things i did done!!!!! -you couldn't get a good hard working-brain dead man for that kind of money!!!!!



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mitch furness

07-12-2007 03:12:13




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 Re: This isn't good, is it? in reply to Katharine, 07-11-2007 18:03:25  
Hi Katherine. Dont panic about the leaks and smoke just yet. Work her for a while and get a feel for the problems then save up some $$$ and commit to a rebuild on the motor. Failing that you could resell her and buy something with more problems. How many hours a year will you be doing with it? No doubrt she has done a few, everything wears eventually even an old Ford!

Cheers

Mitch



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low budget

07-12-2007 02:22:36




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 Re: This isn't good, is it? in reply to Katharine, 07-11-2007 18:03:25  
So put a quart of oil in it now and then. Maybe replace the starter. Maybe figure on rings this winter. Hate to admit it but I've farmed with worse, although I didn't have as much invested in the tractor.



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JOE ZIP

07-11-2007 20:51:51




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 Re: This isn't good, is it? in reply to Katharine, 07-11-2007 18:03:25  
HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HEE! HEE! HEE! HEY! HEY! HEY! OH MY OH MY THIS IS TOO GOOD



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georgeky

07-11-2007 22:03:24




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 Re: This isn't good, is it? in reply to JOE ZIP, 07-11-2007 20:51:51  
I agree, What kind of post is this? Katherine has come here for some kind of good advice and doesn't need to be subjected to this nonsense. If you have nothing to contribute that will be helpful you should do your posting on the politics and tractor wars forum with those jackasses.



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Katharine

07-12-2007 07:38:14




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 Re: This isn't good, is it? in reply to georgeky, 07-11-2007 22:03:24  
Thank you for telling "Zippy" off. I got tangled up with him in another post and decided I was trying to have a battle of the wits with an un-armed person. So yes, I just ignore him now.

Thanks guys for not making me feel like I was a COMPLETE fool with this tractor. The person who sold it to us is really a good guy, a friend of the family and I hadn't wanted to create any hard feelings with them over this. He has volunteered to come over and change some gaskets for me also now, so I can't and WON'T complain anymore. We had a VERY limited budget with which to buy the biggest tractor in the best shape that we could afford after having already looked for a couple of months and rejecting some REAL P.O.S's I wanted to get mowing and plowing and this seemed the best of the bunch. Thanks again to the good guys out here who are TRULY helping.

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Bob in NC IA

07-11-2007 21:15:04




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 Re: This isn't good, is it? in reply to JOE ZIP, 07-11-2007 20:51:51  
What kind of a post is this? I hope you're smarter than your post makes you appear.



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John M

07-12-2007 03:50:25




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 Re: This isn't good, is it? in reply to Bob in NC IA, 07-11-2007 21:15:04  
Ignore him ,he thinks used oil doesnt cause cancer!



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Ultradog MN

07-11-2007 20:40:44




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 Re: This isn't good, is it? in reply to Katharine, 07-11-2007 18:03:25  
Those model Fords are very good, very dependable and versatile machines. A $15 seal in the steering column, some tinkering with the electrics, keep the oil full (oil is cheap) and I'd say you have a tractor that will still do some useful work for you.
Taken all together - the tractor plus the mower minus a few problems - for $3100 you did not get a bad deal.
Ask your questions on the Ford board.
Folks there will be glad to walk you through most problems you might have with it.
Good luck.

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James22

07-11-2007 19:09:26




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 Re: This isn't good, is it? in reply to Katharine, 07-11-2007 18:03:25  
Don't feel too bad, it really "looks" like a pretty good tractor. Don't know how they masked the problems, but if you started it and moved it around and didn't see anything wrong, then I could have done the same thing. It is an advantage to be able to load machine and make a few observations before plunking down the cash. Almost a necessity if the individual selling it is an unknown.



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dds-inc

07-11-2007 18:56:23




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 Re: This isn't good, is it? in reply to Katharine, 07-11-2007 18:03:25  
Needs a complete engine overhaul.

An oil change is NOT going to fix the least of this tractor's problems.



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onefarmer

07-11-2007 18:52:46




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 Re: This isn't good, is it? in reply to Katharine, 07-11-2007 18:03:25  
Learn how to post multiple pics...



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Jim K

07-11-2007 18:52:07




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 Re: This isn't good, is it? in reply to Katharine, 07-11-2007 18:03:25  
I bought the same tractor with all the same problems as yours, and it is a "68" Don't blow as much smoke, only starts when the temp is above 40deg. Although I bought it knowing it had all these problems. I paid $5000.00 for it but it has a well worn superior loader on it and i love it. I think now that I have to split it because of a stuck clutch, I'm probably going to restore it. Heck it's already paid for itself.
Rebuild the motor and fix all the leaks and you'll have a nice little tractor.
The smoke coming out the tube in the front is called a draft tube, it vents the crank case.
The smoke is blowby from having worn piston rings. Jim K
By the way nice tractor cept it's supposed to be yellow and blue.

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RodInNS

07-11-2007 18:48:52




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 Re: This isn't good, is it? in reply to Katharine, 07-11-2007 18:03:25  
The engine's worn out, the same as it was 2 weeks ago....
This is the same one I take it? I'd be prepared for a full overhaul which is likely to cost in the neighbourhood of what you've already spent.

Rod



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Katharine

07-11-2007 18:25:44




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 Re: This isn't good, is it? in reply to Katharine, 07-11-2007 18:03:25  
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Katharine

07-11-2007 18:26:23




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 Re: This isn't good, is it? in reply to Katharine, 07-11-2007 18:25:44  
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Katharine

07-11-2007 18:27:03




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 Re: This isn't good, is it? in reply to Katharine, 07-11-2007 18:26:23  
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HAPPY DEERE

07-11-2007 18:19:33




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 Re: This isn't good, is it? in reply to Katharine, 07-11-2007 18:03:25  
sounds like you got sharked



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Traditional Farmer

07-11-2007 18:12:20




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 Re: This isn't good, is it? in reply to Katharine, 07-11-2007 18:03:25  
looks like it might need a major overhaul



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wayne2

07-11-2007 18:38:04




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 Re: This isn't good, is it? in reply to Traditional Farmer, 07-11-2007 18:12:20  
You got the basic's-come winter give that strapper driving it a wrench and a spec book-It's just life talk about it in BED!!!! LOL WAYNE



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Katharine

07-11-2007 18:07:30




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Katharine

07-11-2007 18:05:38




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