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OT ?? FOR DAVID IN WALES

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mtgummibear

07-10-2007 06:24:37




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I don't wish to start a big political discussion on this board, but you strike me as a very intelligent and level-headed person so I would be interested in your opinion about the British Nationalized Health Care.

This question is inspired by the Michael Moore film "Sicko" which obviously is made to criticize U.S. healthcare and support the idea of a similar system in this country.

Of course on the other side we have our insurance companies and doctors trying to demonize the British and Canadian systems or anything similar.

In your opinion where do you think the "truth" lies? Are you satisfied with the healthcare you receive?

I really don't want this to descend into some sort of a snippy political debate, just want to know more from someone who lives there.

Larry

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mitch furness

07-10-2007 15:03:27




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 Re: OT ?? FOR DAVID IN WALES in reply to mtgummibear, 07-10-2007 06:24:37  
Hi Larry I live in Asutralia and our system is very similar to the Canadian and UK variety. Good basic health care paid for by all through Medicare tax. But can have very long waiting lists to utilise it unless it is emergency care then your always treated promptly. We have very expensive insurance for immediate private care too which is also subsidized by Govt. Medications are either on the public benefit sheme or they are not, if they are then are cheap if they are not they are unaffordable to most.

Cheers

Mitch

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noncompos

07-10-2007 12:40:11




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 Re: OT ?? FOR DAVID IN WALES in reply to mtgummibear, 07-10-2007 06:24:37  
Very broadly and simplistically speaking, in the US major employers" actuaries told them they"d get off cheaper offering group health ins plans than by a so-called socialised (gov"t controlled, paid thru taxes) system...this held true until they began competing with m"f"r"s etc in countries that did have "socialised" systems...now US companies are cutting back or just dropping group plans, to be able to compete, leaving US workers etc with nothing relatively affordable available, at a time when health costs are rising much faster than wages or general prices...

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e-manhunt

07-10-2007 09:33:16




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 Re: OT ?? FOR DAVID IN WALES in reply to mtgummibear, 07-10-2007 06:24:37  
When comparing these health systems to the USA it is improtant to realize the problems which will occur when attempting to manage on the scale necessary for the US population.
Health care in the UK is rationed, inefficient, slow and bankrupt -hence those who can afford it leave to get treated.
I do not wish to withhold med. treatment from children,but how do you feel if the gang member, drug pusher, or just lazy lout gets the same health care you do, on your dime? this is where the argument gets dicey.
An odd side note, not necessarily on issue, is that the doctors involved in the recent car bomb incidents all came to the UK because of the shortage of home grown doctors. You hate to think that smart, service minded people would stay away from medical professions because of restricted pay, but apparently there is some suggestion of this.

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Matt from CT

07-10-2007 10:09:10




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 Re: OT ?? FOR DAVID IN WALES in reply to e-manhunt, 07-10-2007 09:33:16  
>When comparing these health systems to the USA >it is improtant to realize the problems which >will occur when attempting to manage on the >scale necessary for the US population.

"Scale" as in population, is probably 'bout the same. If you've developed a system to serve 60 Million people, it can handle 300 Million...just need to build more identical hospitals, etc.

"Scale" as in area, that's another issue. UK's 60 Million are in an area the size of Oregon. David says they're regionalizing to Super Hospitals to squeeze efficiency out of the system, but that's not going to be practical in much of the U.S. outside of the coasts.

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David in Wales

07-10-2007 09:18:32




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 Re: OT/ British National Health Service in reply to mtgummibear, 07-10-2007 06:24:37  
Hi;
When it was 1st conceived the idea was wonderfull, everyone could have "free" mediacl care. It was paid for by a percentage of everyone's wages.
However in recent years it has changed and has become un-managable, and has to be cost effective. We have too many people using the system and not enough money going in.
Small hospitals have been closed down and replaced by "super hospitals" covering huge areas and large populations. My wife has been into hospital several times, and I was in our local small hospital last year following my heart attack. This hospital gave my family excellent treatment. And our local doctors are very helpfull, but we are in an area of low population. In cities & towns its very different.
Prescription drugs here cost aound $13 per item, but sometimes these drugs can be bought in a pharmacy for less money over the counter.
Wales has its own "government" the National Assembly, and no-one in Wales pays for prescription drugs.
BUT many people are paying for private health care or its available through their employers so that they get faster treatment, very short waiting lists. But the premiums are very expensive. The National Health Care system works (just) but is in danger of melt-down in the future.
Cheers David

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Ken Macfarlane

07-10-2007 06:58:48




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 Re: OT ?? FOR DAVID IN WALES in reply to mtgummibear, 07-10-2007 06:24:37  
You can email off board for more details but I'm Canadian so..

-Big cities, excellent facilities both emerg and reg diagnostic, fast service, all type of treatments available.

-Small towns, emergency facilities good, regular doctor services marginal, slow service, limited specialists available. Sometimes less than top notch doctors, some really excellent though.

-Drugs outside of hospital are not covered by medicare but are quite affordable. I had no medical insurance and an antibiotic was 14$ a couple of years ago.

-Almost everything is covered by medicare in hospital, pay extra for private room sometimes, medications all covered while in hospital. If you are discharged and can't afford medication there are some special help things but most drugs aren't too pricy. Old people that are on lots of medicine have the hardest time.

-Used to have to pay 150$ for ambulance rides unless you were a native (indian), was to reduce nuisance 911 calls but that has changed now back to covered.

-Nothing dental is covered until it threatens your life.

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