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Hey Allen or other cattle feeders, part B.

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J Schwiebert

05-26-2007 09:59:11




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Ethanol production is the big thing with 3 new plants within 40 miles. Now they were talking this winter that if livestock production does not go up that there will be no market for the Brewer's grain which according to them has a very good feed value they will need to contract with someone to haul it out on fields as a waste product. How would you compare the break even point of brewer's grain and hay?

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hayray

05-27-2007 07:20:33




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 Re: Hey Allen or other cattle feeders, part B. in reply to J Schwiebert, 05-26-2007 09:59:11  
Well here in Michigan we could only get 55 tons minimum wet product at a cost of $100 or more a ton. A lot of decent quality 12% protien or more hay can be purchased for $80 ton here in Michigan in the summer. So for a cow herd hay is way more practical and economical, for a feeder operation you have to be plenty big enough to handle and mix the distillers product up to close to 20% or more of the ration, and if it is wet you have to use it up fast, the dry product is a lot more expensive. Dairy producers I guess have had some major problems with it, takes a little work to get it balanced out.

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NEIADan

05-26-2007 13:58:39




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 Re: Hey Allen or other cattle feeders, part B. in reply to J Schwiebert, 05-26-2007 09:59:11  
Here in our area much of the by product from the local dry mill ethanol plants is being shipped to Mexico and overseas. We were feeding the dry product out of the plant that is only 15 miles away. It had 26% protein and about 110% of the energy of corn. Our inclusion rate was about 2-21/2#'s/day at a cost of about the same as corn. The past 4 months we have switched to dry gluten pellets, which are the by-product of a wet mill that produces corn sweeteners. This product is 18% protein and about equal in energy to that of corn. Our inclusion rate is 7#'s per day at a cost of 75% of corn. There is also a higher fiber content reducing our hay needs to 2-3#'s. Thus saving us about $.20 per head a day. I have also seen a 10% increase in intake. You must watch the phosphorus content in these by products and feed a quality balancer to get enough calciuum in the ration.

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Glen in TX

05-26-2007 10:20:31




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 Re: Hey Allen or other cattle feeders, part B. in reply to J Schwiebert, 05-26-2007 09:59:11  
Like Ron said it needs to be processed or mixed with something else to have a total ration. Some here that fed hauled in distillers by products are finding out their animals had calcium and mineral deficiencies after being out on greener pasture and a lot of that came from not feeding a good supplement ration back in winter. Have to remember it's a by product not a complete grain product with needed proteins so it's going to take more thought and management to have a complete ration.

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esd19

05-26-2007 10:15:39




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 Re: Hey Allen or other cattle feeders, part B. in reply to J Schwiebert, 05-26-2007 09:59:11  
not being a cattle feeder but trying to research this growing industry i have noticed that dependent upon the plan you need to have the byproduct tested for actual content as some is equal to roughage with little to no actual feed value. If you can find someone that is doing cold press, as opposed to hot press, that by-product has a high food value content. This cold process is mostly used in bio-diesel manufacturing. just my 2 cents worth.

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Ron in N.E. Colo

05-26-2007 10:12:47




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 Re: Hey Allen or other cattle feeders, part B. in reply to J Schwiebert, 05-26-2007 09:59:11  
I have a neighbor here who fed dried brewers byproduct to his cowherd this winter. This product looked like large alfalfa cubes in size. He tells me that it is much more reasonable than feeding protein tubs, which is the norm for most of us running cows on cornstalks during the winter. The problem is, drying the byproduct is expensive to an ethanol plant and not many do this. Feeding the wet product is difficult, as the "shelf life" of this is only about 7-10 days, and must be mixed into a ground hay ration. I think he fed about 2-3 pounds per day per head. I plan to investigate a source for the cubes this coming winter. I hope this helps, Ron

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better year

05-26-2007 11:10:30




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 Re: Hey Allen or other cattle feeders, part B. in reply to Ron in N.E. Colo, 05-26-2007 10:12:47  
for the high hay prices the only way to limit the financial exposure for cattle is silage in bags. hay is already $3+ for avg. hay in mich. and if the cattle prices do not go up, it will not work out for profit.



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