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OT: Rubber-Fabric U-joints

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noncompos

04-24-2007 22:49:12




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Somewhere on one of these forums someone commented about a fabric disc U-joint, and I thought I recalled one...Today got a 1930 rubber products catalog (belts, hose, etc) and there they were: "Rubber Fabric Universal Joint Discs". Lots of trucks and a few tractors in list, dates run from 1917 thru 26 for trucks, at least one car to 29 (probably end of catalog). A few show "number used", always 2,3, 4 or 6, but list doesn't say how many U-joints in driveline for the 4 and 6.

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NC wayne

04-25-2007 19:40:16




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 Re: OT: Rubber-Fabric U-joints in reply to noncompos, 04-24-2007 22:49:12  
I've got an old HB212 Allis Chalmers lawnower and it has the rag joints on the driveline between the engine and gearbox. If you'll look at the old Northwest cranes many of them also use stacked, round, fabric discs between the clutch and gearbox. Just think about all the torque needed to pull in a 3+ cubic yard bucket and then swing it around to dump it, or better yet the power needed to make an 80,000 plus pound machine crawl, and it's all being trasmitted through something like that. Amazing....

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Mike M

04-25-2007 11:25:45




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 Re: OT: Rubber-Fabric U-joints in reply to noncompos, 04-24-2007 22:49:12  
The small JD models L and LA 2 cyl. used those. I made some out of a gravel pit conveyor belt and works fine.



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Billy NY

04-25-2007 10:09:43




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 Re: OT: Rubber-Fabric U-joints in reply to noncompos, 04-24-2007 22:49:12  
Older Caterpillar tractors that had dry clutch assemblies, used drive links that were made of 1/4" -3/8" thick pieces of some sort of heavy duty fabric, stacked, clamped together, pinned and bushed on each end, so it pulled directly from the engine's main flywheel via a big pin, to the driven plate it was pinned to, that the friction plates clamped onto to transfer power to the input shaft of the transmission. Must have done the job, but in the early to mid 50's they went to a wet oil clutch set up that had a reputation for being bullet proof. It's amazing that much power and torque was transferred that way, plus with the old technology, must have needed some dampening.

I had a '73 F-100 with the rag joint in the steering shaft, it started tearing them up for some reason, was not a bad truck either, but hard to say what was happening, it let loose as I pulled into work one morning and that was the last time I drove it, kind of scary, never figured out why they started to rip, something was wrong, don't think they were known for that.

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the Unforgiven

04-25-2007 10:02:08




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 Re: OT: Rubber-Fabric U-joints in reply to noncompos, 04-24-2007 22:49:12  
Mercedes-Benz uses them in their driveshafts.



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IH2444

04-25-2007 08:17:16




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 Re: OT: Rubber-Fabric U-joints in reply to noncompos, 04-24-2007 22:49:12  
Are these the same things that steering shafts had in them ?



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noncompos

04-25-2007 09:03:29




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 Re: OT: Rubber-Fabric U-joints in reply to IH2444, 04-25-2007 08:17:16  
Can"t recall seeing any steering column such discs (probably because I just didn"t pay attention). The catalog has a list of discs for magneto, generator and water pump drives, but none for steering connections, but the idea was used, as Bob posts, in later stuff, and could well have been used in streering connections. At first blush, you"d think no, because steering is safety-related, but then I recall the long fight to get the m"f"r"s to use safety glass, or split the hyd brakes into two separate parts, etc...

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Bob

04-25-2007 09:56:09




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 Re: OT: Rubber-Fabric U-joints in reply to noncompos, 04-25-2007 09:03:29  
Yeah, they're used in steering shafts, to isolate the chassis vibrations from the steering wheel.

Generally, they have a mechanical backup, such as pins that are a loose fit in slots, but would take over if the "rag joint" failed.



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Bob

04-24-2007 23:13:24




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 Re: OT: Rubber-Fabric U-joints in reply to noncompos, 04-24-2007 22:49:12  
Cub Cadet and Deere shaft-drive hydro garden tractors used fabric joints like that in the 60's and 70's and perhaps beyond in the driveshaft from the engine to the hydro.



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mark

04-25-2007 12:06:19




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 Re: OT: Rubber-Fabric U-joints in reply to Bob, 04-24-2007 23:13:24  
I recall seeing a Super C split once and there was a Leather looking joint between the clutch and transmission as I recall. I have no idea if it was original or not.....just amazed me to see something like that transferring all the engine torque to the transmission.



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