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O/T Engine Overheating

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Ken-in-K

04-23-2007 07:19:11




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Use my motorhome to attend some tractor shows ,it's a 1978 model Chrysler V/8 Class A 3/4 ton chassis , 24,000 original miles, looking towards the front , the right rear cylinder area gets extremely hot , I know this because at one time it cracked the exh manifold, can't figure why only part of the engine gets this hot, even driving short distances , All things being equal , what heat range of s/plug would normally be used, and does this have any effect on engine temperature , the temp gauge does show anything abnormal.

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old art

04-23-2007 20:02:27




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 Re: O/T Engine Overheating in reply to Ken-in-K, 04-23-2007 07:19:11  
if the engine was ever tore dowh could they have the head gasket in backwards cutting of the waterflow to the rear of the engine some gaskets have small water holes up front and larger to the rear the heads are the same BTDT



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Ken-in-K

04-23-2007 12:05:55




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 Re: O/T Engine Overheating in reply to Ken-in-K, 04-23-2007 07:19:11  
Thanks for excellent replies, I should have said DODGE engine and temp gauge does NOT show abnormal reading, The MH was owned by my Wife before we were married The reason I mentioned s/plugs was that a mechanic misread the year model as 1987, and installed yr 1987 plugs, At about that time I drove it from Missouri to Kentucky , when I got here I lifted the engine cover and just about pooped my pants , the insulation was completely burnt off the plug wire , I noticed a slight leak in a gas line , I often wondered about that!, It was then my Wife reminded me about the cracked manifold she had replaced. He even suggested she have an electric cooling fan installed in the engine compartment,
but I do not buy that idea, no mechanic I have asked has come anywhere near offering a valid reason,so the possible causes are very much appreciated.

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Walt Davies

04-23-2007 12:14:15




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 Re: O/T Engine Overheating in reply to Ken-in-K, 04-23-2007 12:05:55  
The cooling fan could help or some way to divert more air to that area motorhomes are well known for having heat problems. the engines are big and in a cramped space with little air flow around them.

My 86 Dodge chassie MH had real heating problems from a cramped space.

Walt



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the tractor vet

04-23-2007 11:05:16




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 Re: O/T Engine Overheating in reply to Ken-in-K, 04-23-2007 07:19:11  
now here is something ya may want to check . But this will requier you to remove the soft plug on the block on that side where the most heat is. You MAY find that that block did not get all the casting sand shaken out of it when the engine was cast . Way back many moons ago when i was working a Chrysler Plymouth dealeship we ran into a bunch of over heating problems and tryed everything even my owen Duster 340 would run hot when it got over 60 degrees outside and i mean hot . After doing everything and even bring in the factory rep. we came up empty handed , Till one day for what ever reason i was determend to cure this problem on my Duster and i pulled one of the rear soft plugs out and the back half of the block on both sides were full of MUD . it took a bunch of diggen flushen and lots of compressed air but we got it cleaned out and never had problems after that . After that anybody that came in with and over heating problem that was the firsat place that we would go and 99% of the time this was the problem . Now not sayen this is yours but for the price of a soft plug it would be worthe while to look into this.

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ejr-IA.

04-23-2007 09:19:13




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 Re: O/T Engine Overheating in reply to Ken-in-K, 04-23-2007 07:19:11  
The chrysler 440 motor in the motor homes had steam ports in the heads for more cooling around the spark plug area.They were small holes to let more coolant flow ,they could be pluged .



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NEsota

04-23-2007 08:30:05




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 Re: O/T Engine Overheating in reply to Ken-in-K, 04-23-2007 07:19:11  
Am not familiar with this engine but if is port-fuel injected a lack of fuel quantity could cause one cylinder to run hot due to fuel starvation.



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Walt Davies

04-23-2007 08:29:38




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 Re: O/T Engine Overheating in reply to Ken-in-K, 04-23-2007 07:19:11  
Check out your fan if its one of those clutch type it may be bad. I had trouble on my 440 Dodge motorhome and it all boiled down to replacing the fan.
Walt



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Bob

04-23-2007 08:14:05




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 Re: O/T Engine Overheating in reply to Ken-in-K, 04-23-2007 07:19:11  
Spark plug heat range has NOTHING to do with your problem. Plugs too "cold" will foul, plugs too "hot" will cause pre-ignition and detonation, and burned spark plug tips.

Late ignition timing will make an engine run HOT, with hot exhaust.

However, since the heat is localized to the area of a cylinder or two, could you have the spark pluk wires out of order to a couple of cylinders?

How about an intake leak making a cylinder or two run LEAN, with the resulting HOT exhaust?


Or, a bad exhaust valve or scored cylinder, causing poor compression, and unburned gasoline entering the exhaust manifold, where it burns, causing HEAT?

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Howard H.

04-23-2007 07:33:21




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 Re: O/T Engine Overheating in reply to Ken-in-K, 04-23-2007 07:19:11  

Others will probably have a more direct idea, but I know I've run a bunch of irrigation motors in the past - 454's, 350's, Ford 534 V8's, MM HD800's etc.

One time I had the local repair shop overhaul a MM 800 inline 6 to run on natural gas. The engine ran great, but the exhaust manifold was so exceptionally hot, I could barely get close to it to pour oil in it. You could see it glowing from a half mile away at night.

Like I said, I've run a bunch of engines and this one was off-the-scale hot.

After a couple of months of 24x7 operation, the engine thrashed (galded piston) - the repair place said it was my fault, so I disgustedly started tearing it down to repair it myself. The oil inside had been baked into asphalt that I had to chip off with a chisel.

After I got a piston out, I carefully was checking the rings, when I realized they were installed UPSIDE DOWN! I pulled all the pistons - covered in tarry asphalt, and they all had been installed wrong. I took them over to the repair shop and the owner scrambled from one book to another, the instructions that came with the rings, etc, and finally agreed they were installed incorrectly.

They wound up rebuilding the engine for me for free and it was fine after that (and we are still friends).

I can't explain why upside down rings would make an engine act like that - and I'm not even sure that it was cause and effect. But that was my experience.

I wonder if your engine might have a piston or two with the same condition.

Howard

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