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PHOTO - unlucky plot 13

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David in Wales

04-21-2007 10:20:39




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Hi Gang;
Halfway through the match. The guy who drew plot 13 isnt going to be the winner! He said "he was consistant all day", just couldnt quite make his furrows lay down evenly and cover all the grass.
"its the taking part that counts and the challenge that makes it all worthwhile and an enjoyable day out".
Cheers David

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Saunterin'

04-22-2007 08:23:40




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 Re: PHOTO - unlucky plot 13 in reply to David in Wales, 04-21-2007 10:20:39  
Well done, David!
Quick question though -- you had earlier noted that this method kills the grass because the cut is below the root structure and that sod is then turned and covered.
How permanent is that? Meaning, left alone will the grass re-establsh or is it buried so deep that it can not?

Thank you



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Badly Bent

04-22-2007 06:33:52




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 Re: PHOTO - unlucky plot 13 in reply to David in Wales, 04-21-2007 10:20:39  
David, I've been following the oat seed furrow plow pics you've been posting. Very interesting. Nothing like that around my part of the world.



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John in Nebraska

04-21-2007 18:37:19




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 Re: PHOTO - unlucky plot 13 in reply to David in Wales, 04-21-2007 10:20:39  
I can't remember plowing up much sod, but if I left gaps like that after plowing, I'd of gotten a talking to by my father. Guess we plowed at a faster speed, and in less dense soil. However 100% coverage of any green was desired. To cut that first furrow, took some jockeying of the plow levers to drop the front lay down. I've read about the ploughing matches, and read stories of how a farmers skill could be read by his straight furrows. But after the dust bowl of the 1930s, straight furrows started to go out of fashion. Never seen a plow that could just drop one lay at a time, other than an old gang plow. David, thanks for posting these photos, quite interesting.

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1936

04-21-2007 14:30:52




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 Re: PHOTO - unlucky plot 13 in reply to David in Wales, 04-21-2007 10:20:39  
Must have used a John Deere plow. Never turned over the soil well and pulled like a cement truck. Oliver and MM were some of the better for turning over the soil and pulled with ease.



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Gerald J.

04-21-2007 13:55:19




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 Re: PHOTO - unlucky plot 13 in reply to David in Wales, 04-21-2007 10:20:39  
If I plowed up continuous ribbons like that, they would stay that same shape for years. When a ribbon turns up in my ground it way to wet to be plowing and will turn to concrete. So I quit and wait for dryer ground.

Gerald J.



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RAB

04-22-2007 05:07:34




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 Re: PHOTO - unlucky plot 13 in reply to Gerald J., 04-21-2007 13:55:19  
A few things to think about. Furrows were either 10 or 12 inch and covering trash or green growth was a bigger problem. Also sitting up like that may have been beneficial - remember a lot of ploughing was done in the autumn and the frost/thaw cycles helped to crumble the sod over the winter. A larger surface area showing at ploughing would make spring cultivations much easier. Soils are different and different solutions were used to solve the perennial problem of making life easier in those days. All mechanised ploughing was better/easier than manually digging the sod. Remember also that land was left fallow some seasons on rotation to control weed growth or return fertility with manure crops etc.

I understand in these days some trash is not buried in some areas to reduce the soil erosion. They didn"t have those problems as much, in the old days.
Regards, RAB

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Gerald J.

04-22-2007 06:15:53




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 Re: PHOTO - unlucky plot 13 in reply to RAB, 04-22-2007 05:07:34  
The last time I plowed was three years ago. I pulled an AC 2000 monobeam set up with 3x18 at 5.5 mph. I left no ribbons, it turned over completely and the dirt hit the ground fast enough it crumbled and the field was smooth with almost no indications off plow direction. It was so fluffy that pulling a disk through it dropped the surface 4 inches. And I only plowed about 6" deep. That was spring plowing, I've never plowed in the fall. I prefer to have the stalks and straw to catch snow. Now I've converted to notill and spend more on glyphosate, but a lot less on fuel and I'm producing a larger crop on the same ground.

I suspect the plowman on plot 13 needed to shift his plow twisting it to the left so it didn't shove the ribbon so far to the right and so would let it lay down flat, but plowing conditions were too wet.

Gerald J.

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RAB

04-22-2007 09:37:51




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 Re: PHOTO - unlucky plot 13 in reply to Gerald J., 04-22-2007 06:15:53  
You say:but plowing conditions were too wet

This was a ploughing match and the date would have been set far in advance. It would take place on that date come H*ll or high water or not at all. Sorry but we can"t yet arrange the weather and field conditions in advance, only guess.
RAB



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