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Bought my first backhoe

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Harlan Kruger

04-14-2007 14:25:44




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Well bought my first backhoe today, Its a John Deere 350 Crawler with Hyd Loader and Rear Back hoe, Very Sound and Solid Machine, Tight Tracks, Nice Undercarriage, all I have to do is use it, Its a 3 cyl diesel, weighs about 12,000lbs without a backhoe attachment, I paid $10,000 for it, not sure if thats too much or not enough but I just needed a backhoe. Did I get a deal or did I pay too much? Let me know your thoughts, you wont hurt my feelings!

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jdemaris@usadatanet.net

04-15-2007 07:08:00




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 Re: Bought my first backhoe in reply to Harlan Kruger, 04-14-2007 14:25:44  
The hoes alone tend to bring around $1500-$2000 in good shape - so the way I figure it - you've got a $8000 350 crawler-loader. They ofen sell - in my area - for $4000-$6000 - but the dozers with 6/ways go higher. That price is fine if it's in really good shape - but otherwise, kind of high. Condition means everything.

350 crawler-loader is a rugged macine but very underpowered if it has the 152 c.i. diesel. The 164s are better, and the 179s better yet. The 179s are often used as replacement "repower" engines for the 152s. You'll find out when you charge into a bank of gravel/dirt and try to lift at the same time. The backhoe setup is very strong - except for the swing-circuit. If your hoe still has the single barrel cylinder - it is very difficult and expensive to fix and not very strong. Usually a chronic leaker. Back in the 80s, Deere Co. was selling change-over kits to get rid of it and convert to conventional dual swing-cylinders. Also - in regard to wet clutchs as used in the C series and newer - as compared to the older dry. We had every bit as much trouble with the wet clutches as we did with the dry - the problems were different - but both had them - and if anything - the wet-clutch setups are more expensive to fix. A dry clutch machine is fine if you take care of it and store it properly. I prefer the dry over the wet myself.

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135 Fan

04-14-2007 22:55:36




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 Re: Bought my first backhoe in reply to Harlan Kruger, 04-14-2007 14:25:44  
If your 350 is a C model it's not too bad a machine. C models have wet brakes which are better. I used to have a 355D which was the lastest version of a 350. D's were made from 85-87. I wanted to find a hoe for it. The recommended hoe is the 9550 with a 13 ft. 7 in. digging depth. A 9300 (for 450 and 550 machines) hoe would work on 350 loaders only but is still a little heavy on the back. I ended up selling the 355 because I found a Cat 931B with 4 in 1 bucket and quick attach hoe. Having had both machines I can make some comparisons on what is better or worse on each machine. The direct drive on the 355 I actually like better because you don't have to rev the engine up as high to get it to move. The power shift is nice if you want to travel faster because you don't have to stop to shift into a higher gear. 4th gear on the JD is too fast and I have seen some where owners have tacked a plate over the slot on the shifter guide so it couldn't be used. The JD is very easy on fuel. The Cat is too but it is closer to a 450 JD. On my 355 I put a piece of 2 1/2 in. square tubing under the seat rails to raise the seat height so your not sitting in the machine and can see better. I put new brake bands in the JD. Not too bad a job with a hoist. The JD steered better but I prefer foot pedals for steering. It leaves your hands free for the tranny and loader controls. I had the track frames off to straighten for new tracks and completely rebuilt the final drives. Everything comes off each side which is way easier than the Cat. One thing that I was told about was the big solid bar than holds the back of the track frames together were known to get sloppy in the mounts. I went to metal super market (that's what it is called) and got a piece of tube that just fit over the shaft and then a thicker tube that fit over the inside tube. It would have been nice if I could have done it with one thick tube. I centered the solid shaft between the worn holes holes on the track frames and welded the two tubes all the way across the middle of each of the two thick plates on each side. I figured this would give me a larger surface area that would last longer. It worked really good. Something I really noticed with hoe on the back of the Cat is it is really back heavy and not balanced very well. It also slows the machine down. I took the hoe off and it was like a totally different machine. Put a block under the hoe when you take it off so your hoses will still reach if it creeps. The 4 in 1 bucket is over rated. It is good for picking up trees and makes the ultimate fencing tool. You can push posts in and if they are wrong you can pull them out and put them where you need them. Just don't clamp too hard. When clearing brush the hoses on the 4 in 1 bucket get in the way and are always getting branches caught on them. There was an earlier post about a 4 in 1 bucket that it could be used with teeth or if you wanted a smooth finish you just open the bucket and use it like a blade. It does not work the same as a bulldozer blade. It can't go down as low if you are working on hills and stuff and you don't have as good of control. In response to the post about a track loader with a hoe compared to a rubber tire hoe. Although a rubber tire machine will maneuver faster and cause less damage there are some very good benefits to a track machine. A track machine will work in softer material and won't get flat tires if you are doing some lighter brush clearing. The hoe can also be taken off quickly if it isn't needed. Each machine has its own pros and cons but you can't say a rubber tire hoe is better just because it doesn't cause as much damage on a lawn. Hope this helps you and carry lots of grease for the hoe. Sometimes I wish I had a rubber tire machine but then I do a job that only a track machine could handle. There should be a fair amount of used parts available for a 350 through the used JD network. There are also some very knowledgable JD mechanics on this forum. Enjoy your new toy. Dave

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135 Fan

04-14-2007 23:03:15




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 Re: Bought my first backhoe in reply to 135 Fan, 04-14-2007 22:55:36  
Forgot to mention that when new the hoe attachment alone for the Cat was $17,000. They don't make them anymore and a new track loader with hoe would cost over $100,000. I think $10,000 was a good deal if it's as good as it sounds. Dave



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dds-inc

04-14-2007 19:46:59




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 Re: Bought my first backhoe in reply to Harlan Kruger, 04-14-2007 14:25:44  
lets just say that I would love to have a case 580 backhoe loader, one that works reasonably well. Crawlers are not versatile with a backhoe on the back. In fact, they are pathetic when all you need to do is dig a hole in the yard and you tear up the whole yard getting the crawler over there!!!



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two mile

04-14-2007 19:28:09




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 Re: Bought my first backhoe in reply to Harlan Kruger, 04-14-2007 14:25:44  
Sounds like you probably got two for one. Only issue with the crawler is that it will need to be trucked or trailered. I have considered mounting our old Massey hoe to our Int. dozer. It's near the bottom of the long list.



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Cliff Neubauer

04-14-2007 15:58:38




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 Re: Bought my first backhoe in reply to Harlan Kruger, 04-14-2007 14:25:44  
Let me borrow it for a few weeks and I will let you know if you got a good deal or not:)



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old

04-14-2007 14:31:20




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 Re: Bought my first backhoe in reply to Harlan Kruger, 04-14-2007 14:25:44  
Well if it runs well and the tracks and rollers are good plus the back hoe you probably got a pretty good deal. Just be sure to take your time learning how to work it because they can be trouble if you don't. I've seen a good many destroyed because a person doesn't know what there doing and then try to work them in ways they where not mint to be worked

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Bob Da. (La)

04-14-2007 14:30:41




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 Re: Bought my first backhoe in reply to Harlan Kruger, 04-14-2007 14:25:44  
Since it is really, sort of, but maybe not exactly a track hoe,it sounds like you may have made a pretty good deal. Of course,it"s not Allis Chalmers, but you can be forgiven for that. LOL Hope you have really good luck with it . God Bless.



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Harlan Kruger

04-14-2007 19:22:48




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 Re: Bought my first backhoe in reply to Bob Da. (La), 04-14-2007 14:30:41  
Actually we DO have an Allis Chalmers Pay Loader or "Tracto-Loader" as i think they are called. its a 4 cylinder turbo diesel, 4 wheel drive, and it will lift anything we need it two, It lifted a complete 60 John Deere about 8 feet in the air to load on a trailer, we use it almost everyday, one of the best things we ever bought.



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