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Ken-in-K

04-14-2007 07:29:45




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Tractor has been sitting most of the winter, in the barn went out to start it and all I got was clicking of the solenoid, topped up the battery , cleaned the connections , but no go, tried the stuck in gear thing , not that , I am in the process of removing the starter for test, on the bench, The small wire and the small post on top of the solenoid goes to the starter button , right, If I connect pos terminal on the solenoid to a battery and connect neg to body of starter , that should spin the starter. Any help Thanks.

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gene bender

04-15-2007 04:37:23




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 Re: Starter Problems - Electrical in reply to Ken-in-K, 04-14-2007 07:29:45  
the bendix is probably locked just remove the starter and check it.



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Owen Aaalnd

04-14-2007 13:06:07




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 Re: Starter Problems - Electrical in reply to Ken-in-K, 04-14-2007 07:29:45  
It is posible that the contacts inside the solenoid have corroded and now do not make good enough connection to run the starter. If you jump between the battery terminal on the starter to the terminal going into the starter, the motor should run. If it runs, solenoid problem. If it does not run, starter problem.



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Ken-in-K

04-14-2007 16:40:30




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 Re: Starter Problems - Electrical in reply to Owen Aaalnd, 04-14-2007 13:06:07  
Owen, not exactly sure what you mean,jump between the battery terminal on the starter to the terminal going into the starter, If I hear it right this is what I have been trying to establish, In other words are we bypassing the solenoid. The heavy pos cable from the battery is attached to the side of the solenoid , not sure where the terminal going into the starter is. Will check the setup again.Thanks for info.

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Owen Aaland

04-15-2007 09:52:24




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 Re: Starter Problems - Electrical in reply to Ken-in-K, 04-14-2007 16:40:30  
I meant to say the battery terminal on the SOLENOID not the starter.

The solenoid only acts like a heavy duty switch. The idea is to connect the battery directly to the starter and bypass the solenoid.

It might help to know what tractor and starter model you are working with.



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Jim WJ

04-14-2007 09:51:04




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 Re: Starter Problems - Electrical in reply to Ken-in-K, 04-14-2007 07:29:45  
Jump it with another battery [ the simplest way to trouble shoot that sustem ].

Jim WJ



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Glen in TX

04-14-2007 09:21:45




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 Re: Starter Problems - Electrical in reply to Ken-in-K, 04-14-2007 07:29:45  
Yep test the battery or get a new one and make sure you got large enough good cables and clean terminals not those wimpy auto cables or bolt on repair terminals. If that doesn't fix it up wonder about brushes and communtator on armature or dead short in armature or field coils and bushings aren't worn out.



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Allan In NE

04-14-2007 08:11:17




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 Re: Starter Problems - Electrical in reply to Ken-in-K, 04-14-2007 07:29:45  
Quit beatin' yourself up and go buy a battery. :>)

Allan



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Ken-in-K

04-14-2007 09:20:38




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 Re: Starter Problems - Electrical in reply to Allan In NE, 04-14-2007 08:11:17  
I forgot to mention , I used jumper leads from a known good battery , but the result was the same , clicking in the solenoid , starter not engaging .



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John T

04-14-2007 08:03:36




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 Re: Starter Problems - Electrical in reply to Ken-in-K, 04-14-2007 07:29:45  
Like Farmer warned ya if youre gonna jump at the solenoid be sure n dont get your polarity crossed, is it Pos or Neg ground????

You can hot wire jump the solenoids activation right at the solenoid by jumping from the hot (from battery NOT to starter) big terminal to the lil S activation terminal which ought to pull the solenoid in. Yes the lil S activation terminal leads to a start switch which is hot when activated.

Often a chattering solenoid is caused by a weak battery, be sure n have it full charged or try a known good substitute battery. Another cause can be a weak or bad or loose or carboned up cable or connection, remove, clean n wire brush, n reattach each n every battery n starter n solenoid n ground connection FIRST.....BE SURE THE GROUND CONNECTION IS GOOD N CLEAN N TIGHT N CARBON FREE

If she were mechanically stuck/jammed that would be more of a high current draw situation versus a chattering solenoid.

Insure a good n charged battery,,,,, ,,clean alllll lll connections especially check the batterys ground connection,,,,, hot jump the solenoid, let us know. I suspect a bad batetry or a bad cable or connection or ground fer now at least

John T

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Walt Davies

04-14-2007 07:58:06




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 Re: Starter Problems - Electrical in reply to Ken-in-K, 04-14-2007 07:29:45  
When cleaning the battery post and connections make sure that there is shiny new metal on each. Clean them with a sharp knife if it has a hard surface clean all of that off.
To test turn on all light if you don't have light then hook one up to the battery. then hit starter button if light goes out the battery is not suppling enough amps to start the tractor.
Walt



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Farmer in the Dells (WI)

04-14-2007 07:42:09




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 Re: Starter Problems - Electrical in reply to Ken-in-K, 04-14-2007 07:29:45  
Before you pull the starter out you might want to try jumping the tractor. If I read your post right the symptoms you describe could be a weak battery from sitting all winter. Make sure if you try it on the tractor to pay attention if it is positive ground or not. Then simply charge your battery and go. HTH



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Farmer in the Dells (WI)

04-14-2007 07:54:06




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 Re: Starter Problems - Electrical in reply to Farmer in the Dells (WI) , 04-14-2007 07:42:09  
I wasn't sure what you meant by "topping" the battery. If you meant you charged it and still have the same problem then you are past my possible solution although if it started fine before you parked it, it is unlikely that it went bad sitting. More likely the contacts may have corroded and caused what my starter man calls a “dead spot” in the circuit somewhere. Sometimes you can tap on it with a hammer handle and it will move enough to make contact and work again. If you pull the starter to bench test it make sure you put the jumper on the small post first and then finish the connection through the starter case. The arc generated when you touch it off could ruin the threads on the solenoid post and you won't be able to use them later. HTH

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Ken-in-K O/T

04-14-2007 09:58:43




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 Re: Starter Problems - Electrical in reply to Farmer in the Dells (WI) , 04-14-2007 07:54:06  
Thanks all , just a few things , cables are clean and free of corrosion , The tractor started OK every time before the winter , I connected a good battery , bypassed the old one , however the same problem came up , starter not engaging , ruling out the armature windings brushes etc ?, low or not enough current draw , and that says battery , but, another battery didn't fix the problem . When I said the old battery was topped up , it was put on slow charge it indicated full or about 95%.

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dan hill

04-14-2007 16:53:40




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 Re: Starter Problems - Electrical in reply to Ken-in-K O/T, 04-14-2007 09:58:43  
Locked starter...



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Ken-in-K

04-17-2007 07:27:52




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 Re: Starter Problems - Electrical in reply to dan hill, 04-14-2007 16:53:40  
Yep!, Locked up, pulled the starter off last night and the ring groove in the sleeve that holds the bendix gear from travelling too far north had broken off and was jammimg the drive shaft , good news but bad news its off a 1957 Moline and original , its a Delco Remy so here's hopeing replacement parts available.



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