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Ford 8000 pto problem

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Ty Lee

04-12-2007 07:38:31




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I bought a Ford 8000 a few years ago from someone who used it to bale hay. Until a few weeks ago I had never hooked anything up to the pto. When I did hook up a 10" flail mower, the mower would not turn and yes the mower works. The pto engauges when the lever is pulled as it should. They guy told me it worked when I bought it but I only checked to see if it turned and it did. Is my pto clutch bad? Do I need to split the tractor to fix it? Can these clutches go bad even though it has not been used in years? Could there be something simple that I am missing? Any advise would be helpful.

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billyar

04-13-2007 02:03:32




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 Re: Ford 8000 pto problem in reply to Ty Lee, 04-12-2007 07:38:31  
Ty like Matt said check the cable on left side frist. Theres a slot in the arm when engaged the arm should overcenter. Then check the pressure, but pto pressure can be low and the hitch pressure be good. The pto can be serviced without splitting the tractor 8000 only,9000,8600,and 9600 and up cannot.



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Ty Lee

04-13-2007 08:25:29




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 Re: Ford 8000 pto problem in reply to billyar, 04-13-2007 02:03:32  
So if the clutch is bad I can replace replace it without splitting the tractor or can only some items be serviced? What do you mean by arm should be overcenter? When you say left side of tractor, your are standing behind it, correct? The PTO controller is on the right side and the cable connects to the left side?



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farmermatt

04-13-2007 04:50:03




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 Re: Ford 8000 pto problem in reply to billyar, 04-13-2007 02:03:32  
All my exeprience is based on a 9600 so Im sure youre right about the 8000 being easier to service the pto. But now im curious, how do you get to the pto on an 8000?? Through the pump hole??



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jmixigo

04-12-2007 15:23:42




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 Re: Ford 8000 pto problem in reply to Ty Lee, 04-12-2007 07:38:31  
At least three folks I know have made the mistake of not COMPLETELY engaging the PTO lever. There is an adjustable stop at about half way, just hesitate there an move on forward. Now if you are way smarter than we were an all ready knew that don't be offended.



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Ty Lee

04-12-2007 16:07:30




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 Re: Ford 8000 pto problem in reply to jmixigo, 04-12-2007 15:23:42  
I never noticed a stop. It's been a few months since I last work on the tractor but it seems like the lever moved all the way forward for on and all the way back for off. Is there something else you are talking about.



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jmixigo

04-12-2007 16:26:21




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 Re: Ford 8000 pto problem in reply to Ty Lee, 04-12-2007 16:07:30  
Well what was thought to be the forward "stop" was actually a "feathering" stop to help with "smooth implement engagement". Push it up till it stops then push to the right an forward some more. Thought I was gone have to split it but she's fine now. I should have read the owner's manual closer. When I admitted this to some of my pals two came back later an said that the PTO is stronger that way. They had been makin the same mistake, one of em for years.

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farmermatt

04-12-2007 07:48:41




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 Re: Ford 8000 pto problem in reply to Ty Lee, 04-12-2007 07:38:31  
It doesnt sound too good to me. But to answer your questions, No the pto clutches will not go bad while sitting just from age. YOu can run a pressure check in a small port on the right hand side of the tractor near the remote hydraulic controls. The service manual shows the plug to check engagement pressure. The worst news for last is that yes the tractor has to be split between the rear end and transmission to service anypart of the pto clutch pack.

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Ty Lee

04-12-2007 08:21:25




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 Re: Ford 8000 pto problem in reply to farmermatt, 04-12-2007 07:48:41  
So if I check the pressure and it is low then I know I need to split the tractor? Is there anything else I should check. I just want to make sure I check everything else before I split it. I know the guy used the pto before me and if it can't go bad just sitting around it makes me think something else has happened. I would think it would start to slip before it just quites working. I tried to stop it with a 2x4 and had no luck. Maybe I wasn't appling enough pressure.

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farmermatt

04-12-2007 08:56:54




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 Re: Ford 8000 pto problem in reply to Ty Lee, 04-12-2007 08:21:25  
First be sure to get a service manual, then you can decide if its a job you want to tackle your self. YOu should be able to stop the shaft with a 2x4 if it really is burnt up and slipping. You can inspect the clutch and valve a little by taking off the hyd. manifold cover an reaching in. Also make sure the control cable is fully ingaging the valve lever on the left hand side. Follow the cable from the consol lever to the end. That is where it actually engages.

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Ty Lee

04-12-2007 09:18:32




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 Re: Ford 8000 pto problem in reply to farmermatt, 04-12-2007 08:56:54  
Is the Hyd. manifold the inspection plate under the seat? What should I be looking for when I inspect it? Could there be a filter plugged which is restricting the flow to the pump? I did change two screw on filters and replaced the fluid in transmission 1 year ago. Not many hours on it since. I had a shop manual but lost it. I have another one on its way.



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farmermatt

04-12-2007 09:34:31




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 Re: Ford 8000 pto problem in reply to Ty Lee, 04-12-2007 09:18:32  
If you 3 pt hitch, remote hydraulics, and dual power (if equiped) work than pump pressure is not the problem. THe hyd, plate im talking about is not under the seat but on the right side where the remoter hoses are, it is about 12"x12" and the vlaves for all hydaulic functions (except pto) are on it, not an easy task to remove or repalce but you'd have to do it as part of the split. Buts first get the book, check the pto system pressure, and other trouble shooting steps the book recomends. By the way, typical pto ctuch rebuild is not too costly, $200 typically. Labor of splitting is more the trouble.

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Ty Lee

04-12-2007 10:07:34




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 Re: Ford 8000 pto problem in reply to farmermatt, 04-12-2007 09:34:31  
The hydraulics and 3 point work. The only trouble I have is lifting one of my disks. It has some added concrete weights and I'm not sure if the pump is week, the disk is too heavy, or the cylinder may have some problems. I have a friend with a John Deer that used the disk last week and he had trouble lifting it too, his tractor is less HP then mine. The remotes seem to lift all my other equipment just fine but they are lighter. Thanks for the help, I will do some more investigating this weekend.

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