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HP, plowing depth, and soil

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PhilcaseinWPa

04-11-2007 13:24:54




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I asked this on the Case board and I'll ask here also since more people participate on this one.

A lot of talk on here about HP and the plows it will pull. How deep do you guys plow and what type of soil do you have? I used to pull 3X14 mounted plow with a Case 630 in clay, loam soil. Probably plowing too deep but in an old sod I had to take a bottom off. I had the plow deep enough to turn up a little of the yellow subsoil, maybe 12+". Now I pull 3X16 with a CaseIH 885. Could probably add another bottom without any trouble. Still plowing deep. Case 630 ~ 50 hp, 885 ~ 70hp (pto)

While I'm asking, for you guys that chisel plow how deep do you go with them and what type of soils do they do the best? How many shanks do you think I could pull with an 885 and at what depth? I've been told 5 maybe 6 at the most.

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Phil

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centralilbaler

04-11-2007 21:28:45




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 Re: HP, plowing depth, and soil in reply to PhilcaseinWPa, 04-11-2007 13:24:54  
the way my grandfather told me, "put that plow in the ground". I"ve always plowed about 8-9" deep here in central IL in good black dirt.



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paul

04-11-2007 20:50:53




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 Re: HP, plowing depth, and soil in reply to PhilcaseinWPa, 04-11-2007 13:24:54  
A plow is designed to plow 1/2 of it's width - so 16" bottoms go 8 inches deep, 12 inch bottom would go 6 inches deep.

Chisel plow you want to go deeper than the plow does, to break up that plow pan the plow created in your fields. So, 8-12 inches deep.

I pulled a 10 shank chisel plow with 2" wide points with 85 hp. That was not enough hp, I was not happy with the results. Now I have 12 shanks with a 140 hp tractor, works much better. You want to have some speed with the chiesel plow, so the springs are working & shattering the soil. Drive fasted, go deeper, better chisel job. Can't do that if you are under-powered.

You will do a better chisel job with 5-6 shanks.

--->Paul

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mike3320

04-11-2007 16:58:29




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 Re: HP, plowing depth, and soil in reply to PhilcaseinWPa, 04-11-2007 13:24:54  
half of the bottom width. 14inch plow 7 inches 16 inch plow 8 inches.



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RodInNS

04-11-2007 15:05:32




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 Re: HP, plowing depth, and soil in reply to PhilcaseinWPa, 04-11-2007 13:24:54  
I'm pulling a mounted 4 variable 12-20 Kverneland. I mostly run between 16 and 18 inches wide.... sometimes 20 and plow about 8" deep. The tractors are in the 70-100 PTO HP range, an with the 70, it'll do between 4 and 5.5 mph in sandy loam, depending on terrain and moisture conditions. If I'm on some of our heavier soils which develop a miserable heavy sod, then the depth needs to go down to near a foot to get under the root system, and I'm probably working at about 3 mph. Generally go to the bigger tractor and bigger rubber, and keep on truckin'.
8" depth is my preference mostly. It draws a compromise between width and work rate on my plow. Any wider, and it needs more depth for it's boards.... and that costs too much in time and fuel for any gains that could be made. Our soils are shallow anyway. We've only got the 8 inches that we've taken the boulders out of anyhow. Deeper serves no purpose other than dragging up rock.....

Rod

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Allan In NE

04-11-2007 14:26:24




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 Re: HP, plowing depth, and soil in reply to PhilcaseinWPa, 04-11-2007 13:24:54  
My rule is that depth and speed need to be adjusted so what was once the top of the soil should end up being flipped upside down and laying in the bottom of the furrow with no residue on top.

Rule of thumb around here is usually that a 10" cresent will stand upright in the furrow. Usually pull between 4 1/2 to 5 1/2 mph to feather it out and make it lay like a tabletop.

Everybody does it different tho; I sometimes see guys plowing around 5" deep. Don't know why, as they just pull that trash right back on top at the second tillage pass.

Allan

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Larry NE IL

04-11-2007 16:09:56




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 Re: HP, plowing depth, and soil in reply to Allan In NE, 04-11-2007 14:26:24  
I had all but bought a farm in NCentral Wisc. I was talking to one of the neighbors about chiseling the ground and he said "nobody did that up there" too cold. Plow is the only way , and don't plow deeper than 6" or you'll never get the ground warm enough to plant.
Wife got real sick and had to cancel, but that was his story.



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