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OT: Front tire wear on '86 chev 4x4

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Brad in WI

04-10-2007 19:28:41




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The front tires on my truck are worn very odd. It has yokohama mud tires on it and there is one lug that is worn more so then the one on either side of it. The wear is uniform all of the way across the tread for the entire way around both front tires. What would cause this abnormal wear. I am looking to put newer tires on the truck and I do not want this to happen to a good set of tires. Here is some pictures that show the wear that I am talking about

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The lighter colored spots on the tires are where the rubber meets the blacktop. There is that much wear between the lugs. Please help as I am stumped as to what the cause is.

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Walt Davies

04-11-2007 11:04:32




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 Re: OT: Front tire wear on '86 chev 4x4 in reply to Brad in WI, 04-10-2007 19:28:41  
Your main problem is that you are running off road tires on the pavement. If you want even wear then get some tires for on road use. Or at least dual purpose tires.

Those big knobbies were never intended for highway use. Walt



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MLD

04-11-2007 08:42:57




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 Re: OT: Front tire wear on '86 chev 4x4 in reply to Brad in WI, 04-10-2007 19:28:41  
I would say air pressure, if its to low the center of the tread can cave in, in the middle & cause that from the tire flex at high speed. You do need to keep 4x4 tires rotated often to keep the wear even.



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Ha Rumph

04-11-2007 06:53:44




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 Re: OT: Front tire wear on '86 chev 4x4 in reply to Brad in WI, 04-10-2007 19:28:41  
That can be considered pretty normal wear on those big open tread knobbies.

Rotate often to smooth them out again before bringing them up front.


Big open tread tires can develope wear and vibration patterns just from spinning and dealing with air patterns.

I think I heard that thing coming down the road yesterday, and I'm in California.

Rotate them and consider something less "severe off road service" next time you buy tires.

Or just stay under 20mph on the farm and it might be ok.

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John17

04-11-2007 06:11:24




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 Re: OT: Front tire wear on '86 chev 4x4 in reply to Brad in WI, 04-10-2007 19:28:41  
That wear pattern is indicative of bad bearings, and or shocks. Check your wheel bearings, and replace your shocks. JohnG



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jdemaris

04-11-2007 06:38:54




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 Ackerman Angle in reply to John17, 04-11-2007 06:11:24  
I have no way of knowing what is worn or "out of whack" - if anything on this guy's truck. But . . . I've got over a dozen Chevy 4WD trucks - spanning years 1979 up to 1990. If I put oversize deep-lug tires on any of them, they will get the same sort of wear unless I rotate the tires once in awhile. The bigger and wider the tires and/or the deeper the lugs, the worse it does it. And - at least with my trucks - they are all kept in perfect mechancial condition - good shocks, no wear in the ball-joints or "king-pins", tow-in set correctly, no dog-tracking from front to rear axles, and pinion angle is correct. I've checked, and on most if not all solid-front-axle GM 4WD trucks - the Ackerman Angle is not perfect and cannot be adjusted. The said Ackerman Angle is what puts the two front tires into separate turning circles whenever making a turn - and keeps them NOT parallel to each other - unless going straight. E.g., if you are making a left turn - the left tire has to be travelling on a smaller turning circle than the right. Making turns on bumpy rods can cause a lot of tire wear - and the wider the tire - the worse it can be. If there are also parts worn - than it's safe to assume that will make things worse. But - even when not worn - they do it - and it seems many of not most light truck owners use oversize tires. I used to own a couple of 60s cars that were designed by Carol Shelby - and he basically - said the heck with the Ackerman Angle when he stuck a small-block Ford V-8 into a Britsh sports-car. 1964-1966 Sunbeam Tigers with 260 and 289 V-8s. With them, even slow-speed turns would screech the front tires and they'd burn off pretty fast. This has nothing much to do with Chevy trucks - but did make me pay attention to the Ackerman Angle effect 40 years ago.

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jdemaris

04-11-2007 06:09:36




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 1986 Chevy K30 King-pin photos in reply to Brad in WI, 04-10-2007 19:28:41  
From my 1986 Chevy factory repair manual - also in the original GM parts microfiche. In K30 pickups - GM calls them king-pins.

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Tim...Ok

04-11-2007 04:22:32




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 Re: OT: Front tire wear on '86 chev 4x4 in reply to Brad in WI, 04-10-2007 19:28:41  
Allan nailed it as usual :) That is typical of tires needing rotated on a 4x4..my dodge 1-ton Cummins makes'em look like that in about 4500 miles,then I know its time time to rotate'em

Tim



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Brad in WI

04-11-2007 02:59:03




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 Re: OT: Front tire wear on '86 chev 4x4 in reply to Brad in WI, 04-10-2007 19:28:41  
I am guilty of not rotating the tires enough. The ball joints seem tight (I tried wiggling the wheel and it was not loose) and the shocks were new 3.5 years ago. The truck has sat for almost 3 years due to a tranny problem that has just gotten fixed in Feb. I am trying to work out all of the bugs but if I fix one two more problems come up



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Don-Wi

04-11-2007 11:29:27




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 Re: OT: Front tire wear on '86 chev 4x4 in reply to Brad in WI, 04-11-2007 02:59:03  
When i brought my ford in for an alignment a few years ago, they said it was no use until the ball joints were replaced. they thgen brough me out to the shop where they had it on the hoist, and took a pry bar under the tire and pried up on it. Without weight on it, the front tire just kinda flopped around a little bit just like the wheel bearings were loose, but you can really only tell if the wieght is off the tire.

The first thing to do is rostate the tires because of the aggressive tread. I had some Sport Kings on my ford and they had to be rotated every 6000 or they'd start to do that on all 4 tires, but the rear drive tires and the fron non-drivers would wear in opposite ways,(sharp point would be on the front of the tread on one, back of the tread on the other) so front to back was the best way to do it on my truck.

I'm not gonna get more involved on the ball-joint vs. King Pin issue, but my 88 F150 2wd and my brother's 93 4x4 both have ball joints on the front axel. Mine is independant and his is a solid axel. Whatever Chevy calls it, it's basically the same thing.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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djm75

04-11-2007 01:59:02




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 Re: OT: Front tire wear on '86 chev 4x4 in reply to Brad in WI, 04-10-2007 19:28:41  
Brad thats called cupping it is an alignment issue pretty normal on 4wd with solid front axles because of the king pin setup you can only do so much with the alignment. Like everyone said rotating will help.



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Allan In NE

04-11-2007 03:10:00




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 Re: OT: Front tire wear on '86 chev 4x4 in reply to djm75, 04-11-2007 01:59:02  
Dunno Pard,

But me thinks you're blowin' a wee bit of smoke.

Chevrolet hasn't used king pins on thier light duty trucks since 1954 and have implemented upper and lower ball joints in all 2 and 4 wheel drive models since 1955 forward.

Don't think ya quite have a firm grasp on what "cupping", which results from a bad balance issue, is either.

'Course I could be wrong; I've only been working on the goofy things since the early fifties and just didn't take time to "Google" it to see what the all-knowing 'Net has to offer. :>)

Better idea: Walk into to your local GM dealer and order a set of king pins for an '86 4X4. Take special note of the expression on the partman's face.

Allan

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Wild Bill

04-11-2007 10:33:43




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 Uhh in reply to Allan In NE, 04-11-2007 03:10:00  
Uhh...

yeah pard, we call them king pins in these parts too, you can call them whatever you want to though. If you go to your lfaps, be prepared to call them ball joints.



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jdemaris

04-11-2007 10:58:03




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 Re: Uhh in reply to Wild Bill, 04-11-2007 10:33:43  
The 80s K30 4WD trucks have separate pins that can be pulled out of the bearing or bushing, whereas the 1/2 and 3/4 tons don't. The 1/2 and 3/4 have the pin and bushing all pressed together into one unit and GM labels it as a ball-joint. The K30s - with the pins that are actually separate pieces are what they are calling king-pins.



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jdemaris

04-11-2007 05:49:24




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 Not true - K30s have King-Pins in reply to Allan In NE, 04-11-2007 03:10:00  
All depends on what you are calling "light duty." By most standards, a Chevy K30 is a light-duty truck. GM call those parts - where the ball joint would go for a 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton - "King Pins." It's not what I would normally call a King Pin - since to me - I think of a straight axle having king-pins and bushings - like in my 65 Ford F100 2WD. But - General Motors -in both their repair manual - and parts microfiche - call them King Pins in the K30. So does Dodge and Jeep in the older 3/4 ton 4WD trucks - like my 69 W200 Powerwagon. These - instead of having one-piece ball-joint assemblies - use a king-pin and king-bushing or bearing arrangement. The bearings are usually Timken style adjustable and sometimes - instead of a bearing cup a solid brass bearing is used instead.

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Allan In NE

04-11-2007 06:04:34




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 Re: Not true - K30s have King-Pins in reply to jdemaris, 04-11-2007 05:49:24  
The picture I put up is of a 3500 tonner. Those are ball joints.

Like you say, if you ever have to replace a "king pin" ya never forget it. :>)

Allan



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Allan In NE

04-11-2007 00:26:55




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 Re: OT: Front tire wear on '86 chev 4x4 in reply to Brad in WI, 04-10-2007 19:28:41  
That is a classic wear pattern of tires that haven't been rotated.

You couldn't hear those things slapping the hiway? Everyone else within 3 miles can hear ya coming. :>)

Allan



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Brad in WI

04-11-2007 02:56:18




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 Re: OT: Front tire wear on '86 chev 4x4 in reply to Allan In NE, 04-11-2007 00:26:55  
The slap of the tires is driving me crazy. put a quiet exhaust on and now I can really hear the tires humming.



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Don-Wi

04-10-2007 23:40:27




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 Re: OT: Front tire wear on '86 chev 4x4 in reply to Brad in WI, 04-10-2007 19:28:41  
Any slop in the axel will wear the tires funny, but that one really screams the shocks are bad, atleast to me. rotating them more often helps too, but that ain't gonna fix it all by itself.

Might as well look at the ball joints too.

Donovan from Wisconsin



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Keith-OR

04-10-2007 23:47:02




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 Re: OT: Front tire wear on '86 chev 4x4 in reply to Don-Wi, 04-10-2007 23:40:27  
Since when does 4x4 have ball joints?



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Allan In NE

04-11-2007 00:31:09




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 Re: OT: Front tire wear on '86 chev 4x4 in reply to Keith-OR, 04-10-2007 23:47:02  
Since new.

Ya need the silly things to turn a corner. :>)

Allan



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Keith-OR

04-10-2007 20:01:08




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 Re: OT: Front tire wear on '86 chev 4x4 in reply to Brad in WI, 04-10-2007 19:28:41  
This type of wear is called heal and toeing, caused by not rotating tires often enough. You need to rotate tires more often on 4 wheel drive vehicles than 2 wheel drive. Also this type of wear is more pronounced with mudder or aggressive tread type tires on 4X4's especially if you don't rotate.HTH

Keith & Shawn



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Jon K MN

04-10-2007 19:38:57




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 Re: OT: Front tire wear on '86 chev 4x4 in reply to Brad in WI, 04-10-2007 19:28:41  
Brad, What are the shocks like?

Jon K



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504-2

04-11-2007 16:11:30




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 Re: OT: Front tire wear on '86 chev 4x4 in reply to Jon K MN, 04-10-2007 19:38:57  
Rotation, rotation, rotation. They need to be rotated every 6,000 mi, cross the front to the rear and move the rear straight up.



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