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1951 JD A Missing on the right cylinder only.

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scooter driver

04-05-2007 17:48:18




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I have a JD A 1951 that has a miss on the right cylinder only. If I replace the spark plug with a new one it will not miss for thirty of forty hours run time, then it will start missing again. Would any of you old two cylinder men know what the permanent fix for this would be ? Thanks very much for any assistance with this problem.




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BLW

04-06-2007 08:10:31




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 Re: 1951 JD A Missing on the right cylinder only. in reply to scooter driver, 04-05-2007 17:48:18  
here's another old trick-- take a small rubber tube et carb/ vacumn hose anout 1/8 ID cut abut 3/16 to 1/4 inch off-- put it over the blug top and then put the wire back on- It will give it an extra gap and stop the fouling for a long time we have one ford that has been running for 3 years that way-- hope this helps ps make sure you have the right wires going to the right cyl. it will run either way sometimes, they are so close in time

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Mike M

04-06-2007 04:45:12




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 Re: 1951 JD A Missing on the right cylinder only. in reply to scooter driver, 04-05-2007 17:48:18  
What does that plug look like when you pull it out ? You may even be getting some antifreeze in there fouling it out ? Not that uncommon on those late A's to have head gasket leaks or cracks in the head and block. Or it could just be plain worn out and oil fouling ?



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John T

04-05-2007 19:36:51




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 Re: 1951 JD A Missing on the right cylinder only. in reply to scooter driver, 04-05-2007 17:48:18  
It will help reduce plug fouling if you: 1) Run a hotter plug, maybe try an Autolite 3116 which is a Non Resistor Plug.....

2) Use Shutters or other type radiator air restrictors to get n keep the temp up to at least 180 degrees.

3) Do not run the carb any richer then necessary to avoid that flat black colored sooty carbon fouling plug deposit. If she throws excess black smoke out the stack and the plugs come out flat black sooty lookin, thats excess unburned fuel (see below)

4) Use Wire core NOT carbon core suppressor type plug wires.

Are the plugs coming out with a flat black colored sooty dry powdery coat?? Thats excess unburned fuel from running too rich (try leaning the carb settings) or an inlet air or air cleaner restriction, make sure the choke butterfly is opening full n stays full open and the lower air cleaner bowl is clean n full of oil NOT overfilled or water filled.

Are the plugs wet shiny dark black uneven coated??? That may be oil burning from worn rings or cylinders or worn valve guides. Hows the compression??? If wayyyyy lower on that one side that may be the problem if the plugs are oil fouled or perhaps a bad valve causing lower compression, have you checked the valve lash lately???. If shes burning oil from bad rings or cylinders or valve guides she would throw blue smoke out the stack and that oil burning can foul the plug.

Try n determine if they are gas or oil fouled

If the spark is NOT a good bright visible blue as opposed to a faint thin wimpy yellow, try a good ignition tune up like points n condenspor n cap n rotor etc with new hotter plugs n carbon core wires

let me know what ya find????? John T

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Glenn Hassler

04-06-2007 14:53:29




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 Re: 1951 JD A Missing on the right cylinder only. in reply to John T, 04-05-2007 19:36:51  
John : Thanks for the great information, you definitely know about two cylinder John Deere's. The plug, Champion 21, looks normal with no fouling. It just doesn't fire. The local JD dealer thought the problem was a cracked cylinder block. They replaced it and the head, with all newly rebuilt parts including valves, pistons, rings etc. The problem is still there. Any other thoughts?



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mike in New Mexico

04-05-2007 18:36:46




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 Re: 1951 JD A Missing on the right cylinder only. in reply to scooter driver, 04-05-2007 17:48:18  
I fixed mine by using 2 spark plug washers on the right cylinder,seems to hold the plug out just the right distance. I don't why but it works- or it worked for me.-mike



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Bob

04-05-2007 20:44:17




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 Re: 1951 JD A Missing on the right cylinder only. in reply to mike in New Mexico, 04-05-2007 18:36:46  
That's an old "trick".

The extra washer lessens heat transfer from the spark plug body to the block/head and makes the plug run "hotter" so it stays cleaner. Don't tighten it any more than necessary; as the tighter the washers get crushed between the plug and the block/head the BETTER heat will transfer;and the "cooler" the plug will run.



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