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Mike in Ind.

04-02-2007 17:22:44




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My friends dad is doing some work for a local campground and they have an infestation of some kind of bee or hornet and they need to get rid of them. They make small mounds of dirt about an inch or so high and no bigger around than a fifty cent piece and there are hundreds these. They look alot like a honey bee to me but either way they have to go. Can anybody tell me what these are and haoe to get rid of them? Mike.

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BLW

04-03-2007 06:59:05




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 Re: Ground nesting bees? in reply to Mike in Ind., 04-02-2007 17:22:44  
we call them ground hornets here in the northeast-- the gas route works you don't even have to light it-- also so does the beer in the bottle remember there may be a lot of them and if you have allergies be careful I belong to the fire co and go with the emerg squad and it is not a pretty sight when someone can't swallow or breathe from this== also it takes a long time to get rid of them all several applications-- and if they start to come back next year don't wait keep right after them wish you luck

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Midwest redneck

04-03-2007 02:24:09




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 Re: Ground nesting bees? in reply to Mike in Ind., 04-02-2007 17:22:44  
Try this.. 1 cup of gasoline and a match, stand back and then run. I did this last year. I covered it up with dirt afterwards. I also used old house paint in a couple of holes then covered up with dirt.



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Billy NY

04-02-2007 21:41:28




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 Re: Ground nesting bees? in reply to Mike in Ind., 04-02-2007 17:22:44  
Not sure if I've ever seen those, I think we get the yellow jacket/ground wasp that have the paper nest in the ground. The ones we have are usually only aggressive if you really distub the nest. It's funny to watch them go in and out, and I always get a kick out of covering there hole with a pan or something, the traffic backs up, but they don't get aggressive, they just work around the obstacle and clear a path. I've stood next to the hole, even when covered they just go about their business. I've had em on the lawn and found them in various places but they don't seem prevalent here, I do like to leave em bee LOL, if I can, but if they are in a high traffic area, I flood em out, then go to the nasty chemical warfare if need be. Something eventually digs up their nests, skunk or something, not hard to get rid of em, it seems. If you stomp by the nest they will bumble around in all directions, seems to take em a while to get a bee-line on you ! I cleared 12 acres of nasty brush with a dozer 18 years ago for a friend who needed an operator for that job and hit a large nest, they were bumbling everywhere, but the dozer threw em off and they never found me, lots of em too, I did not test my luck and made note of that area, stayed away from it for the rest of the job.

The big hornets that make the football or basketball size paper nest, are some nasty critters, followed by brown wasps which will take off like F-16's in a straight line after you, although you can out run those, seems they turn around after they feel you are no longer a threat, I've played that cat and mouse game many times, lot of times getting a light sting, seems they really need that full speed hit to really git ya, if they just get a glancing blow, hardly notice it.

Those big hornets I have never messed with too much, they command a lot more respect, but you can stand in their flight pattern and they'll go right around you, they do leave a sentry out at night and will attack in the dark. We don't get a lot of those, I've poked at a few nests and ran quickly, funny how they immediately repair the damage. I'm not sure what it is, but if they can't figure out what causes the disturbance they don't seem to find you, and they calm down after a short time. Get caught by those, it's gonna hurt. I barely missed one of those big hornets nest while clearing brush, saw it in time and went around with the brush hog, they were not bothered at all, had I hit that bush, they were at face height, don't even want to think about it, now I keep an eye out for those nests and no working at night after that one.

The yellow jackets that make the same kind of nest, just look at em funny and they are on you, just get too close, they let you know they are close by, had one of those under the rear fenderwell of the old chevy that I did not know about and got nailed a few times right in the forehead, everytime I was near it, so I took a careful look and boy I'm glad I found that nest before I bumped it or how about watering the grass if you know what I mean, was the biggest I've ever seen, no foolin with those guys. They bumble around too, seems they all do it but once one gits ya, they all follow, kinda like wackin at a pinata. When it's hot out at they sit outside of the nest fanning it all night. I left em, though, but if I had to move the truck they'd have been waxed ! The sting is annoying for an hour, although if anyone was allergic, all would have to be rid of no matter what.

We get another variety at the farm, they make nests like brown wasps, but much bigger, problem there is, say around August, you don't touch anything that has sat, I don't care what it is, there will be a quart container of em just waitin to git ya, that is when they are at peak population, they are everywhere and in everything, there is no controlling them, I've never seen an infestation like this, some right in the open stuck to something, attached a wall, no cover at all. So many nests get started and even if you wack a nest, you have to get all of em, or the survivors return and hang out for days trying to sting, even if the nest is gone, I think they are by far the worst, although not too aggressive if undisturbed, horses and people around, no real problems, only when you stumble onto a nest, or do a poor job killing them. The obvious ones close to doors or anywhere dangerous in the open have to go, but if you don't do it right, you'll regret just not leaving then alone, cannot figure why so many at this place, it's unreal. These are best dealt with at night.

Those brown wasps are funny, carefully get one on a stick and place the wasp near another nest, they hate it, I love to watch em fight, every once in awhile they too come out for no reason like a missile, hunched up stinger forward, usually just one though, unless you disturb the nest. The yellow ones seem to outnumber these now, I've worked beside these brown ones not seeing them until after and well best to leave em alone at that point if'n they aren't bothered by ya. I've also not known there was a nest of these and got whacked good while wrenching on something, stung repeatedly until I found the nest.

I've kind of fooled with most of them, except honey bees, do know if you injure the queen in a hive, they get really aggressive and find you far from the hive ! Friend the beekeeper crunched a queen once and there was no workin around his place until he introduced a new one and she was accepted. Got nailed too many times, had to leave. Bumble bees, I never find those nests anymore, used to be a lot more when the barns were still here, they like soft wood, used to nest in the soffit boards and the like. I can recall those being real nasty, and having the worst sting, and seems if you put a brown wasp in a jar with one, the bumble bee wins everytime. Was running lowboy once, dropped the machine off and started climbing gears, was summertime, no shirt on, bumblebee got between my back and the seat, I had to take it until I could stop the rig and get out, that really sucked, and could have been a disaster if I freaked, jumped out, get run over etc. still cannot beleive I got er stopped, jumped out and did not get run over, looked like a raving idiot too flailing around on the side of the road, sucker got me good.

Seeing as young kid I got nailed so many times, was really not too bright, even stepped on a nest in an old JD manure spreader on my 5th birthday, nailed in below the eye, free trip to the hospital, so I sought my revenge in adulthood by messin with em now !

Every year, the best thing to do is when they first get started, knock the small nest off, usually only one wasp or bee on it, get em early, there is no big nest, so here I go around and get as many as I can, truck, tractor old dozers etc. at the farm, it's a lost cause to many of em. Sucks when you need to work on something that has sat, you have to get rid of em first before you can turn a wrench. Last year I was busy, did not get em early, lot of big nests, well who needs spray, one person pokes the nest once, 2 or 3 others with old tennis rackets shredding them, chase em down, sounds crazy don't it ? We have fun on saturdays, party's over when you run out of nests. Don't try any of this at home, we're just a bit crazy sometimes.

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1941 farmall a boy

04-02-2007 21:25:54




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 Re: Ground nesting bees? in reply to Mike in Ind., 04-02-2007 17:22:44  
We had them in are yard one day. I was seting off fireworks and one went on the groud and did not go off so I ran over there and right by it there was the hole with them flying out. So me being 15 at the time I had to put a firework in the hole and light it. After I did that I went inside the house and got some raid and put in the hole to make shure thay was not comeing out. When I did that I started to did the hole up ever min I was puting raid in the hole. After about 30 mins I got them all but the hole went down at lest a foot and about 2 feet long. All the comb had larva in it but after all that I coverd the hole all back up. I even did not get stung!!!!. Sence then we have not had them but I know thay are not honey bees. Honey bees dont have a hive in the ground the only way I know this im fixing to start beekeeping and im helping a state beekeeper. Carson Carson

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Mark - IN.

04-02-2007 20:52:05




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 Re: Ground nesting bees? in reply to Mike in Ind., 04-02-2007 17:22:44  
Sound like yellow jackets to me. Sounds a bit early though, but then again the snakes and mosquitos have already been out up north in Bristol. If its yellow jackets, don"t screw with them until dusk, and be careful then too. Sevin is said to work, but I"ll tell you, they"ve gotten me good more than once, and they will chase you off of the tractor and quite a distance on foot. And the running tractor only makes them madder. You"re not supposed to because of messing with the ground, and Sevin and chemicals weren"t helping me much, so at dusk I watched the holes that they were flying into (multiple holes and escape routes), then doused them with diesel or kerosene, lit it immediately to tie them up, and then compacted them good with the tractor tires. Every year, its hide and seek with them to completely different areas, fields, or pastures, and they are vicious and gangup quickly if disturbed. I"ve found that rubbing meat tendorizer on their stings takes out most of the bite pretty quickly, although not completely. The little b..... s serve no earthly purpose, except to surprise and nail me when I least expect it. Good luck.

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Walt Davies

04-02-2007 19:53:21




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 Re: Ground nesting bees? in reply to Mike in Ind., 04-02-2007 17:22:44  
permectin very expensive but will forever mix according to directions and spray the whole area down till wet. Also put some bait out and spray the bait.
I had them real bad here now they are few and far between.
Walt



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THEkyroastnear

04-02-2007 19:50:41




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 Re: Ground nesting bees? in reply to Mike in Ind., 04-02-2007 17:22:44  
those type bees are in my area too actually both as you described the ones that look like honey bees and the ones thatlook like some kind of hornet if disturbed both will become agressive guess most bees will though. once stopped a riding mower over the ones like HB to make some adjustment while mower was running several swarmed me and ran me off ran back and killed mower then after setteling down put the gas to them. have seen the ones some post says catch insects ect. they look like a wasp to me that live in ground. my biggest problem is those pesky wood bees

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Don L C

04-02-2007 20:43:01




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 Re: Ground nesting bees? in reply to THEkyroastnear, 04-02-2007 19:50:41  
Take a broom and close up the holes after they return to the hive at about 7 or 8 PM..... ..sprinkel covering the entire area with POWEDERED SEVEN GARDEN DUST..... .the next day they will dig their way through the dust getting it on their body and legs..... they will return down into the nest to lick each other clean.....you guessed it they are dead..... ...



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1936

04-02-2007 19:19:53




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 Re: Ground nesting bees? in reply to Mike in Ind., 04-02-2007 17:22:44  
Gas? I have gas! Not! SEVIN dust will do the trick. This is super for killing bees. Some you want to and other you don't. Done both over the years.



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led

04-02-2007 19:17:20




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 Re: Ground nesting bees? in reply to Mike in Ind., 04-02-2007 17:22:44  
Sounds like cikida (sp) killers. Those bees can carry some big insects down in to that hole. They sting grasshoppers, lay thier eggs inside, then offspring eat there way out.



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NC Wayne

04-02-2007 19:12:33




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 Re: Ground nesting bees? in reply to Mike in Ind., 04-02-2007 17:22:44  
Not sure what they are either, except that they are not yellow jackets, but we've got the same kind of bees here. Like you said they look alot like honey bees and they show up about this time every year and make their little mounds down at the end of our shop. They've been digging for 6 or 7 years now at this particular spot, after moving from the other end of the shop after one or two seasons. They seem to come in and dig hard for a week or two and then calm down and simply hang around for a month or so and then their gone. Unlike a previous post suggested the ones that we see don't seem to be a bit agressive. In fact the spot they chose is at a corner where we routinely walk through them and I've yet to have one even act like it was gonna sting me. Not saying it won't happen but in the 8 or so years they've been coming around it hasn't happened. We simply let them alone since they don't bother us but I can understand wanting to get rid of them in a camping area. Judging by the way they do I'd say get something like Diazanon, or whatever it's new environmentally friendly version is, and spray into and around the burrows with it. Other than that I can't think of anything else to do. I've used the gas and diesel trick on yellowjacket nests before and that works great for them since they have an actual underground nest for the whole bunch but these little guys seem to be loners with one to each burrow so I can't see trying to get them that way. Good luck with whatever you wind up doing. I don't know how or why they come back but be prepared to do the same thing next year.

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mike from troy

04-02-2007 19:02:48




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 Re: Ground nesting bees? in reply to Mike in Ind., 04-02-2007 17:22:44  
Bee carefull of pouring gas in the holes. A friend tried this for moles. Turns out there was an old Ford car buried in the yard. When that gallon of gas turned to fumes and was touched off, windows broke for blocks. Then he had an old car to haul off and a big hole to fill. Sure was loud.



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37 chief

04-02-2007 18:59:35




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 Re: Ground nesting bees? in reply to Mike in Ind., 04-02-2007 17:22:44  
I know what you are talking about, but I don't know the name. What I do know they have no sence of humor. They are waing for any chance to get p'd off, when they do watch out. I get stung a lot fron these little critters every year mowing and discing. Stan



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MarkB_MI

04-02-2007 18:48:15




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 Re: Ground nesting bees? in reply to Mike in Ind., 04-02-2007 17:22:44  
If they're the same ground bees we have in Michigan, they are very aggressive. Of course if you're working on top of them you don't realize it until they start coming out of nowhere.

As long as you can find their nests, any good bug spray will do the trick. Just be ready to get the heck out of Dodge after you dose the nest.



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Aaron Ford

04-02-2007 18:09:43




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 Re: Ground nesting bees? in reply to Mike in Ind., 04-02-2007 17:22:44  
Not sure what you have there, but gasoline works well. Do it at night to be sure they are all in there. Wait til they are all dead, then you can light it if you want to see where the other hole is. Lighting too soon is counter-productive as it burns off the vapors which are lethal. After seeing my 4 year old son covered up in yellow jackets, I give no quarter. They all die as soon as I can locate the hive.

Aaron

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Roy Suomi

04-02-2007 18:08:00




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 Re: Ground nesting bees? in reply to Mike in Ind., 04-02-2007 17:22:44  
There's only one kind of bee I like...Boo Bee's



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Bob

04-02-2007 23:01:34




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 Like these Boo Bees? in reply to Roy Suomi, 04-02-2007 18:08:00  
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B-maniac

04-02-2007 17:58:12




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 Re: Ground nesting bees? in reply to Mike in Ind., 04-02-2007 17:22:44  
Get yourself a glass gallon jug with 1" or so opening at top and dump in two cans of old skunky beer and set it near their flight path. In a week it will be full. Empty when bees are 1/2" deep on top of beer and replenish beer. Keep it up til ya ain't catchin' any more.



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jmixigo

04-02-2007 17:26:54




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 Re: Ground nesting bees? in reply to Mike in Ind., 04-02-2007 17:22:44  
Yellow Jackets. Find the entrance to the nests, then go back at night an pour bout a gallon of gasoline down the hole. Don't tell the EPA I told you this.



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perry in mi

04-02-2007 17:40:03




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 Re: Ground nesting bees? in reply to jmixigo, 04-02-2007 17:26:54  
i wouln'dt say a gallon. but ya use some gas at night.



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jmixigo

04-02-2007 17:56:48




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 Re: Ground nesting bees? in reply to perry in mi, 04-02-2007 17:40:03  
I all ways try to make sure I used enough.



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Bud in NC

04-02-2007 17:39:58




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 Re: Ground nesting bees? in reply to jmixigo, 04-02-2007 17:26:54  
My home area was eat up with those babies - they have a "back door", too! Make sure you locate BOTH holes! A shovel full of sand on one hole, dump some *serious* chemicals in the other and put another shovel full of sand on the other hole - QUICK! If you have good, loose dirt, use it instead of sand - as long as it'll compact and not leave a hole for them to escape from.



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