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TMay

03-29-2007 11:04:49




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I just bought a IH 986 a couple months ago. I may have already asked this but can't remember. CRS disease. Here it is When the clutch is pushed in the power steering stops working. Is this normal? I bought a service manual and it does not address this in the trouble shooting section. It has a hydralic clutch. Never had a IH just Massey and Deere. They are a little different. Well thanks alot as usual.

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the tractor vet

03-29-2007 18:09:42




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 Re: IH guys help in reply to TMay, 03-29-2007 11:04:49  
Owen about covered it and with out running a couple pressure checks myself and a flow rate with the flow rater we both would be shooten in the dark As to just what is going on and where the problem is ,Also you did not say what year this 986 is as year makes some differance here as the first ones where OPEN center hyd. and later ones were closed center .



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TMay

03-29-2007 14:58:21




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 Re: IH guys help in reply to TMay, 03-29-2007 11:04:49  
Yes the brakes get hard but still work. It does this when it is sitting still. No front weights. It all works for couple seconds then quits. Thanks



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Owen Aaland

03-29-2007 16:20:32




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 Re: IH guys help in reply to TMay, 03-29-2007 14:58:21  
The power steering circut is a priority circut. Nothing you do should cause any change in steering function.

Oil is drawn from the bottom of the rear housing, through the hydraulic filter, through tubes cast in the clutch housing, to the steering (MCV) pump. From the pump the oil goes first to a flow divider/priority valve. The flow divider is actually two pieces. Oil goes to an an orfice that allows 5 GPM (3 GPM on 66 and older series) priority flow. Excess fluid is diverted by the flow divider valve to lube the differential. This flow varies with pump speed and condition but the 5 GPM remains constant. A worn pump or a serious leak will cause this flow to diminish to the point where no flow will go to the differential. This is the major cause for rear end problems in IH tractors.

The 5 GPM flow from the flow divider goes first to the steering system and then steering relief valve. This limits the steering pressure to 1600 to 2100 PSI, depending on the tractor. Return flow from the steering and/or steering relief valve is still 5 GPM. One GPM of this flow is used to lube each brake, leaving 3 GPM for the TA control valve, brakes, seat, and hydraulic clutch assist. Pressure in this circut is limited to about 240 PSI. The TA, clutch, brakes and seat are all closed center valves that use oil only while being operated. Oil left from this circut is directed to the TA lube circut. It is limited to about 20 PSI. Any oil above the 20 PSI is returned back to the sump.

Loss of steering while the clutch is depressed can be caused by a weak pump or leak AND a stuck flow divider valve.

Any loss of steering assist can be an indicator that the differential is not being lubed properly. It is critical for the steering to function properly to get long life out of the differential and ring gear and pinion.

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ohjeffoh

03-29-2007 11:40:53




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 Re: IH guys help in reply to TMay, 03-29-2007 11:04:49  
Not normal,, If you're sitting in the tractor in park gear or nuetral with foot off clutch you have steering but when you step on the clutch you lose steering your clutch assist must have a bad leak which could be internal and fluid being returned through the return line. need to have more information to give a better diagnosis. when the steering quits do the brakes get hard? is the tractor at a stand still or rolling? do you have front end weights on it?

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