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ironsales

03-27-2007 08:51:33




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whats everyones opinion, them things are popping up like wheat after a good rain around here




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John (C-IL)

03-27-2007 18:31:26




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 Re: wind generation windmills in reply to ironsales, 03-27-2007 08:51:33  
Here is the wind farm going up in our neighborhood.



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ToddLevi

03-27-2007 17:23:11




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 Re: wind generation windmills in reply to ironsales, 03-27-2007 08:51:33  
Wind generation is OK in moderation. The problem with it is that it has to be backed up with a relliable source of generation. This source must be able to start and stop rapidly. That usually means combustion turbines. This power is not cheap. Wind generation is best built in large wind farms in windy locations like western Nebraska. A 2mph reduction in wind speed means a 50% reduction in generator output so placment is important. These facts can be verified on the DOE website. The moral of this story is nothing is free. Good Luck.

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buickanddeere

03-28-2007 18:33:24




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 Re: wind generation windmills in reply to ToddLevi, 03-27-2007 17:23:11  
Wind energy is to the 3rd root of the wind speed. So a 8mph wind has 2.37 times more energy than a 6mph wind.



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ToddLevi

03-28-2007 19:38:44




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 Re: wind generation windmills in reply to buickanddeere, 03-28-2007 18:33:24  
Information in that sentence came from GE when I was at their facility in Virginia. The point I was trying to make is that wind generation capital is best spent on large generators placed in locations where proper wind studies have been done. I try to make my points with verified facts and am sorry if I was in error on that point. I will check it out. I think that my main point is still valid.



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phillip d

03-27-2007 17:21:17




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 Re: wind generation windmills in reply to ironsales, 03-27-2007 08:51:33  
It's a wind power hotbed in my area.They are just starting on a 99 megawatt project consisting of 55 turbines 250' tall with 120' blades (3 on each generator).There are already 15 of them in another area near here with plans for another 60 there,also 150 miles from here there are 25 new ones there also.Cost is about 10 million bucks a pop after labour, powerlines and substation is factored in.Glad it's their money!phill

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Glen in TX

03-27-2007 14:42:26




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 Re: wind generation windmills in reply to ironsales, 03-27-2007 08:51:33  
They should have never quit building them years ago. I just got out of the Windcharger business 25 years ago because no one wanted to buy one anymore. Power companies are building wind farms all around the caprock cliffs around here as wind blows some all the time. At least with the new ones like said you can sell back to power company and no fool with lots of batteries and inverters. Besides who builds a 32 volt refrigerator now days?

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Gene Dotson

03-27-2007 11:05:34




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 Re: wind generation windmills in reply to ironsales, 03-27-2007 08:51:33  
Cheap power, no invironmental concerns and using a resource that will never deplete. I say yes and build more and save oil for our old tractors... Gene



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buickanddeere

03-27-2007 17:41:04




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 Re: wind generation windmills in reply to Gene Dotson, 03-27-2007 11:05:34  
Around here the locals moan,groan,whine,yell and cream. Then get a lawyer. Whole windmill projects have been shut down in Bruce County due to the n.i.m.b.y's. The "reasons" range from eye sore, loss of enjoyment, noise, illness from low frequency vibrations, bird strikes, light strobing and ice slung from blades. The fact also that a neighbour has a windturbine's lease income. The people on the adjacent farms have no lease income and has to look at his neighbour make $$$. Germany loves Holland's windmill generators. During operation the windmills make more power than what Holland can use. The power is sold on the open market to Germnany at bargain prices and Germany burns less $$$ coal. When the wind is still, Holland is short of power and purchase at a premium peak price power from Germany's coal plants.

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Kent in KC

03-27-2007 11:05:32




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 Re: wind generation windmills in reply to ironsales, 03-27-2007 08:51:33  
Depends on your needs. Does your elect co let you sell power back to them (net metering)? Do you want it for back up or just to reduce your elec cost? Most people go with net metering instead of back up power due to the cost and maitenance of batteries/inverter. You might Google the Southwest Skystream and see what you think. With power costs going the way they are, you could probably cost justify one over the new few years.

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KEH

03-27-2007 15:10:04




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 Re: wind generation windmills in reply to Kent in KC, 03-27-2007 11:05:32  

Power company here buys the excess power from you at wholesale price, sells it back to you when you need it at retail price.

KEH



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