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Darned Dishonest auto service centers

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Dave from MN

03-17-2007 13:13:12




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Had a gal that works for my wife stop out today. Very pretty 32 year old, raising 12 year old on her own, and doing a darn good job at it. She was all upset, saved her pennies for a NEW set of tires ( ussually been buying used-low income/priorities)and when she had them installed, the service guys did a "courtesy" check. Came back told her her brakes have a "system failure". She NEEDS to have them repaired. Sheet said "leaking wheel cylinder, contaminated shoes, cleaned and adjusted brakes". Well having no money she was stressing what to do. Well, I jacked her car up, and checked things out. didnt find no leaking cylinder, couyld use new shoes and turned drums in a few months here their " deal"

Brake shoes $39.99
Wheel Cylinder 2 @ $26.99/ea
Combination Kit $18.99
Rear drum brake labor $99.00
flush fluid $20.99
Flush labor $49.00
New Drums $ 2@$51.29 ea They wanted a grand total of $356.67, for a rear brake job, that really is fine, and if the cylyder was leaking, it would just need a cylinder. (which I couyld tell, have not been cleaned or adjusted) My cost if I bought the parts at local Auto store

Set of Heavy duty shoes $21.99
Wheel cylinder (1) $14.99
Turn drums ( they are thick and look like they never ben turned yet) $10/ea
Labor- Nothing but a smile, she could use a break. Why do these prick service station take such advantage of some one that just told them " I've been saving for months for these tires" and try to screw her like that. Wonder how many people a day get shafted like this.

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cat236

03-19-2007 00:36:15




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to Dave from MN, 03-17-2007 13:13:12  
My brother in law is a very bright young lawyer,but has no knowledge with vehicles and home repair. A year ago he tells me his Toyota Forerunner was at a local Toyota dealer and he was afraid they were trying to get to him.Met him at dealeship next morning with gooseneck ready to take unit home.The long and short was a leaking head gasket on right side,the repair estimate was close to 5000.00. I told my brother in law I could repair it for a couple hundred bucks the car was in the mid 90's and probably not worth much more. He agrees and asks them where vehicle was,well it was completely tore down already. I asked why when he had not authorized work, the service guy said it was for diagnostics.I quickly asked to talk to mechanic and found it odd he was not aware customer did not want to repair. When my brother in law saw vehicle in several boxes he got scared and opted to pay them. We did get them to discount bill a little but still ended up being close to 4000.00. This was with a new head and when all was said and done as I looked over the invoice,they had transferred head parts to new head. He has never went back and tells everyone he knows how badly the deal went. My advice no repairs without my " written authorization" a trip to the dealership is always cheaper.When you authorize,tell them save all parts you want them back.Test drive with service manager if a major repair before you pay,clears up a lot of still doing the same thing and bringing it back.

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Bryan in Iowa

03-19-2007 05:41:51




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to cat236, 03-19-2007 00:36:15  
Just happen to have a 91 4 runner in shop now for ,,,yep ,,head gaskets ! Not a fun job , est $1800, head gasket set alone is $370 my cost . Job will require surfacing both heads , timing belt , water pump , tensioner , any fluids , belts etc. heads not cracked , but may need valves done while off. Typically if head is to be replaced most are bare castings and require transfer of parts from old head, complete reman head may be avail also . Old toyota is barely worth it , but customer is advised of everything up front , written estimate and signed . customer is happy, I'm happy ,,,well i will be after putting this pain back together ,lol

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CaseChev

03-18-2007 15:49:00




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to Dave from MN, 03-17-2007 13:13:12  
Just a quick thought for Stinky Cheese. Why is it the Chev. dealer fault or GM fault when vehicle is out of warranty and in an attempt to do a goodwill gesture, owner is asked to verify maintenance and oil change place can only verify two oil changes in 45,000 mi. I doubt even your lawyer is dumb enough to pursue that one. Why not sue the real culprit, the oil change place that may or may not have changed your oil even though you paid them. I worked in this industry and can't tell you how many times people who had not changed their oil and ruined their engine would go to their buddy and get oil change receipts for the past 3yrs. Usually they would make up invoices from a stack with CONSECUTIVE NUMBERS even though they were supposedly months or years apart. Once again, dealership and factory people are not near as dumb as you assume and lawyers are not near as smart or successful and people who's first sentence in any problem-solving dicussion is "I'm gonna get my lawyer" are not near as successful as they boast over morning coffee at the cafe.

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Woodbeef

03-18-2007 09:19:03




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to Dave from MN, 03-17-2007 13:13:12  
Better figure on replacing the hardware for the shoes too. You're going to be taking them off anyways,why try to shade-tree the old ones back on? Might want to replace the self adjusters too along with it's hardware. Cheap while you're already in there,taking it apart.



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Bryan In Iowa

03-18-2007 08:41:00




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to Dave from MN, 03-17-2007 13:13:12  
Seems high , but without seeing it firsthand hard to say . You will always be able to find parts cheaper somewhere else .Shops have overhead to meet and parts are marked up to make a profit . If they dont' they are not around long. I get the "i can get it cheaper" or " can i bring my own parts in " every once in awhile . tried to weed out most of those customers over the years . When I do get them , i give them a quick lesson on hows and why's , Warranty etc . Labor rates are figured into what it takes to stay in business. It costs a shop owner x amount to keep doors open, utilities , taxes,,taxes,,oh and more taxes . I jumped into owning my own shop . I was a tech,thought "Hey , i can do great work , cheaper and save people money " didn;t take long for reality to sink in !!! I like to think I still do great work , fair honest prices. BUT they are based on my costs of doing business, not being cheaper than the dealer , or Joeblow down the street . Discount places down the street advertise "Brake specials " all the time . Yes you can hang pads n send em out pretty cheap . Brakes are no place to skimp . Most times average $80-120 fronts, 80-200 rears .Just depends on what NEEDS replaced. Oh , and i really love those 10-20 yr old cars that as soon as you touch anything bleeders break off, lines so rusted they leak if you look at them . What a pain , but to run new brake and fuel lines can cost $100-200 . where you you draw the line on a $400-500 car ? #1 you notify the customer up front #2 you keep them posted as work progress's , let them know if you run into any problems #3 let them make the call. It's their money . #4 document everything !! cover your butt if they decline repairs

ok,,nuff of my rant , Honest shops deal with these headaches eveyday . Just part of doing business

Bryan

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Stinky Cheese

03-18-2007 07:36:24




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to Dave from MN, 03-17-2007 13:13:12  
There are lots of people in business that will try and take advantage of every customer they can. We all know that. There are also just about as many customers who will try and take advantage of every business they can. I`ve seen it from both sides plenty of times.



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sammy the RED

03-18-2007 08:31:06




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to Stinky Cheese, 03-18-2007 07:36:24  
My Cuzin had a car repair shop.
There is a reason why everyone calls him "Slippery".

"Cause he was always slipping it to someone !



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davpal

03-17-2007 23:21:09




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to Dave from MN, 03-17-2007 13:13:12  
Not too many pretty 32 year old single mothers get shafted at the auto repair shops. They usually find some sucker to do the work for them for free! I have been that sucker before but hopefully never be him again. Remember, no good deed goes unpunished.



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Circus

03-17-2007 23:07:03




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 Dealers too in reply to Dave from MN, 03-17-2007 13:13:12  
I once made a friends day horrible. She showed me her new used car. It was nice maybe worth $5,000 or $6,000. She paid $14,000. "Who would lend you $14,000 for that car?" "The dealer" "Never mind"



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Rob Hartman

03-17-2007 21:55:29




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to Dave from MN, 03-17-2007 13:13:12  
I'm 29 years old and do all my own work. I can't stand the know it all dealers that screw everybody that walks in their shops. I do quite a bit of work on the side here at home and find it really hard to charge people. I have alot of money invested in tools, scanners, and manuals, but there are just some people out there that just aren't mechanically inclined or just plaina$$ don't have the money. Most of the people I do work for are freinds of the family or people i've known all my life. I can't imagine how many thousands of dollars i've saved for them. When my customers ask what they owe, I just simply tell them parts and whatever they feel is fair for labor. I do really well by the way, when they're happy i'm tickled to be able to help. I buy all my parts from O'Reilly's and have had nothing but good luck.

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IHC Red

03-17-2007 20:30:40




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to Dave from MN, 03-17-2007 13:13:12  
I saw something similar happen to someone a while back... seemed like a nice kid from the poor side of town who was working as a dish-washer or something at a restaurant.

I watched as they installed a master cylinder and tested... still no brakes... then wheel cylinders and I think pads and shoes. I felt sorry for the kid and I regret that I didn't say something to the manager or the mechanic, but I didn't really think it through at the time. He didn't need the master cylinder and they didn't remove it.

It is unfortunate that there is such a steep hill to climb to break out of poverty once you are stuck there.

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kyplowboy

03-17-2007 18:59:41




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to Dave from MN, 03-17-2007 13:13:12  
I got one for you.

In December my aunt's 2004 Chevy Malabou started knocking with 45,000 miles. Dealer 20 miles away told her that GM would cover the repair but not the $200 towing bill. I hauled the car to the dealer on a trailor. They wanted a maintance record for the car. Aunt always went to a Valvaline Lube joint just up from her house. When she bought the car new dealer said the warentey would be good as long as she had a record of the oil changes and all. Asked the guy at the jiffy lube joint if they kept a record on the computer. Went to the Lube joint to get a print out of the records. The manager turned white as a gost. He asked her if she had paid cash, she said most of the time. He had only been there two weeks because the company had fired every one there because they were pocketing cash and not recording anything. She only had two oil changes in the computer when she had written a check. She was out of pocket a new engine in a 2 year old car because of the nice boys who tried to get her to buy a $13 air filter every time she got her oil changed (she was smart enough to leave there and get a $5 fram from wal-mart.)

There are good people in this world but by God they are getting harder to find.

Dave

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Stinky Cheese

03-18-2007 07:20:35




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to kyplowboy, 03-17-2007 18:59:41  
That Chevy dealer would be talking to my lawyer for a long long time, and I suspect both me and the lawyer would soon be driving new cars at his expence.



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kyplowboy

03-18-2007 17:08:55




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to Stinky Cheese, 03-18-2007 07:20:35  
Her lawyer talked to the dealer, GM, and the Valvaine joint. There was nothing the lawyer could do. IF she had old checks or credit card bills showing she had done buisness there she would have had a case. As far as GM and the dealer went she had a blown engine and no proof the oil had ever been changed.

Dave



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Billy NY

03-17-2007 18:57:27




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to Dave from MN, 03-17-2007 13:13:12  
They love targeting women, and they will try and hammer anyone who appears remotely naive, or vulernable. Ever notice, it's always "they" or "them" who exactly are these people anyway LOL !

Seriously though, it's good to be wary when dealing with these places for auto services, and even better to have some up front knowledge about a shop you will consider using. I also find that if you come in prepared, describe in detail what you want done, talk the talk, be a nerd or act like a real knob about it, at some point it will register that you do have some mechanical knowledge and it is not going to work if they try it.

Just convince em you know something, and they usually don't try the shenanigans on you. Some are persistent though, pays off for em when you cave in. So, I think you do have to ward them off and be a little convincing about your knowledge of mechanics soon afer you walk in door, or they'll think you may go for the bate. Shops around here don't seem to pull that, but who is to say it does not happen.


Similar process is used when at the auto dealer, the sales drones come out immediately and start to drift over your way like day of the dead walking,(the old horror movie), so you have to somehow ward them off. Not all do this, and it means nothing, but a few will always come out to the lot in this manner, I always humor em politley, and be friendly, then be on my way, but I do get a kick out of the approach and all, nothing personal, just the way I see it.

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dave guest

03-17-2007 18:48:24




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to Dave from MN, 03-17-2007 13:13:12  
For 10 years I worked radio tv repair. This was the 60's. Of 6 shops, 4 told me each day what my quota was-how much money to take from customers. I complained about this and was told to change anything but better have X dollars for each call. This was the usual practice. One said use any old parts, jump fuses with wire, just keep the customer quiet for I believe 30 days. Had to go independent and illegal to give people an honest job for honest price. Was blackballed by the industry. Licensing boards, too. Detroit

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dan hill

03-18-2007 04:06:19




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to dave guest, 03-17-2007 18:48:24  
I worked in 4 radio tv shops,1954 to 1968.Never saw any of this overcharging.Built my own shop in 68,repaired and sold tvs.Never got rich in this rural area.Did see some over charge by a few shops but not that much.Quit tv work about 10 years ago.Wish now that I did some thing else for a living.Worked as a mechanic between tv jobs.Never saw anything but honest work done in the auto garages.Seems to me that the ripoff shops do best money wise.I do think that people think you do poor work if you dont charge high prices.A friend had the gas tank strap fail on a 94 Ford Ranger.An area Ford Dealer quoted 120.00 for the front strap. 140.00 for the rear strap plus 200.00 labor.I told him to check out parts shops for the straps.Best price he could find was 40.00 for the pair.I checked the internet and found one supplier that would send a set for 28.00 shipping included.Friend couldnt wait a few days, he is retired ,but has to go out every day for a news paper and coffee.I picked up the straps and put them on for him.Not an easy job, took about 2 hours.Lots of rust to fight with.I noticed his muffler is shot.Pipes look good and the converter is sound.While Im under the truck I notice a hyd line repair that cost him 100.00 at a Ford dealer is a patch job and should be done right.I am working out doors on ramps in mid october and have a chimney to build.He takes the truck to a muffler shop and ends up with an 800.00 job.The converter was replaced.He did have the battery replaced and oil changed.I looked at the work sheet and see the parts are way over priced.While I was under the truck I noticed the rear spring hanger is badley rusted.This time he gets a bill for 225.00.The new hanger cost 50.00 plus 16.00 for a few grade 8 bolts.The rest is labor.I check the internet and a fellow is offering genuine Ford hangers for 20.00 plus 8.00 shipping.If I was younger I would build a small 2 bay garage and do some auto repair.But I feel that any one who did good work at reasonable rates wouldnt get much work .

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iowa_tire_guy

03-17-2007 18:23:50




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to Dave from MN, 03-17-2007 13:13:12  
Okay, how about a look from the other side of the counter. It really torques me also. I have found that when someone stops in and has me check their tires the best thing I can do is look them over and tell them they are in good shape for how many ever miles I estimate they have left. If they need a rotation or something I will suggest it, but only if they need it. Nothing makes a person trust you like being able to take advantage of them and not doing it. I lose some business to the dishonest competition but usually not twice. The "your going to die on the way home if you don't put on new tires" line has worked but they usually just don't go back there. Also a word to pass on, stay away from chains. They are the worst.

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KEH

03-17-2007 17:47:58




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to Dave from MN, 03-17-2007 13:13:12  

When daughter was in college at the other end of the state I got a call from her one night. Her car was leaking oil under the valve cover. Local garage told her it would be $200 labor to put in a new gasket, because of having to take off AC and other things to get to the valve cover. Went and looked at another car like it I had and it had the least cluttered engine top I have ever seen. Called daughter and told her to take her phillips screwdriver and tighten the 12 screws holding the valve cover and that would probably fix the leak. It did, and I told her never to do business there again. I just wonder how much business some of these places loose because of their crooked business practices.

KEH

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Aaron Ford

03-17-2007 17:28:39




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to Dave from MN, 03-17-2007 13:13:12  
This is sorta the opposite of what happened to you, but...


1991 DC Area Auto Repair shop. I normally changed tires, oil, wiper blades, bulbs and such. They had a real mechanic, but I was the lackey.

Anyhow, a one morning I heard a customer yelling at the service writer. I went in to get the next job clip board and the customer began yelling at me. Not sure why or what it was even about. The service writer handed me the clip board and asked me to take care of it. It was a clutch slave cylinder on a 280Z if I remember correctly. Took about 15 minutes, bled it out and pulled the car back around and turned in the clip board. A few hours later the customer came back in cussing. He took one more turn at me and a few other employees, paid his bill and left. Later the service writer told me we were having a meeting after work. I walked in to the stockroom and was met with a pile of pizzas and a keg of beer. Turns out the service writer had billed the guy for the parts (slave cylinder -$20) and shop supplies (1 bottle of brake fluid and one rag - $120). We partied late in the evening on the rude customers money. Not terribly proud of it, but it felt right at the time!!!

Aaron

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georgeky

03-17-2007 20:52:04




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to Aaron Ford, 03-17-2007 17:28:39  
Maybe he was cussing because of the royal fleecing your company was giving him.



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Aaron Ford

03-19-2007 12:52:08




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to georgeky, 03-17-2007 20:52:04  
Nah, the abuse started the minute he walked in the door. The price for any other customer would have been around 40-50 bucks. $20 part, $10 shop supplies, $10-20 labor. The price was based on his abuse of the employees, not the other way around. You would have had to been there, but I understand your hypothesis.

It was the only dishonest thing I ever saw at that station. They did alot of freebie work and state inspections that were on the level. We had a large number of return customers and a good name in the area. This particular customer never kicked the door open again!!!

Aaron

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NC Wayne

03-17-2007 17:07:09




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to Dave from MN, 03-17-2007 13:13:12  
Mom stopped at one of the tire centers the other day when she was out and noticed her right rear tire was low to see if they'd pump it up for her. She didn't have time to wait for them right then to find and repair the leak, which was really slow, so she had to stick with simply airing it up, otherwise she may have gotten suckered. After they aired the low tire up they made a point to tell her that "the inside of the tires were down to the layer that covers the belts" and were unsafe to be driving on. I think telling a woman that's out driving alone that something is UNSAFE is the one thing they can use to make a woman feel like she has no choice but to have the repair done right then. Anyway mom asked me the next morning to look at the tires for her and guess what, they are fine and still have nearly 3/8 inch of tread left, plenty for mom to drive along time no more than she goes out. I don't want to stir up anything with the shop because they did help her by pumping up the low tire for free and she may need them again some day but at the same time it really pi$$es me off that they'd even try to take advantage of a woman alone.

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coup

03-17-2007 16:54:59




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to Dave from MN, 03-17-2007 13:13:12  
a friend of a friend worked at a major car dealer and said they hardly ever changed oil filters when changing the oil,, he said one old guy caught them and was about to whoop the whole bunch..... ..



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Clint Youse MO

03-17-2007 16:47:40




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to Dave from MN, 03-17-2007 13:13:12  
When my now wife was in college took her car to one of the shops because of a flat tire and got the tire fixed but said her motor mounts were wore out and the could replace them for $1000 it would take the shake out of the car I had drove the car the weak before. She called me I said tell them no and if there is a problem I would look at it and fix it. The car was not worth but maybe $1500 at that time and I couold not find a broke or wore out motor mount it was still alright when she got rid of it 2 years later how many unknowing suckers had they got on that one and done nothing to the car.

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Lincoln

03-17-2007 16:23:13




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to Dave from MN, 03-17-2007 13:13:12  
My wife took her car in to get the oil changed. They told her all four tires were shot and it needed to have a new set because it wasn't safe to drive. This was in the days before cell phones so she couln't call me. Anyway, $650 later we have four new tires. She got home and showed them to me, and they wern't even the right size for the car. I took the car back and they wouldn't do anything about it. Said the tires were used now, and they couldn't take them back. They wouldn't even give me my old tires, which were over 50% tread, back because we had paid the disposal fee. I don't think they were ever going to get rich from all they business we had done there, but needless to say I never went back.

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omahagreg

03-17-2007 16:22:15




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to Dave from MN, 03-17-2007 13:13:12  
I bought a 97 Dodge 3/4 ton van in 98-had 130,000 miles on it already. They told me that the local tranny shop had changed the tranny fluid, but left 5 quarts out-needless to say, it had a rebuilt tranny when I got it. It was taking too long to go into reverse, so I stopped at the sellers to get any documentation before I went to the tranny shop. They said it would need a complete rebuild-nothing else would work. I produced the documentation that showed it had been rebuilt in February-this was May. All of a sudden they could fix it for me. They put in some sort of a reverse booster pump-no charge to me either. So, in one was I was happy, in another I felt almost 'snookered'. Greg

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georgeky

03-17-2007 15:56:17




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to Dave from MN, 03-17-2007 13:13:12  
Dave this is a sad fact of life. The almighty dollar has got a hold on lots of folks. several years ago my wife went to town for some reason or another anyhow she had a flat tire and called me to tell about it, she said she was in front of a local service station, i told her to go there and just have the tire plugged. That is what she did and the guy charged her 19 dollars for plugging the tire. Took about a minute. The station that normally does my tire work just recently raised their price to plug tires to $2.00. My point is that a lot of these people simply take advantage of women.

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03-17-2007 15:27:22




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to Dave from MN, 03-17-2007 13:13:12  
In a rush leaving town next day had Merlins put on a new exhaust system. The price was in line and completed on time. Picked up and paid and thought is was loud for a new system. Under the car in about two weeks and found the reason for the sound. The muffler must have had 3 inch holes and the pipe was about 2 inches. The muffler was mashed as well as they could get it on to the pipes. I went in and stated what I had found and was give a nice song and yat yat. I said just torch the new system off and do the job correct in a room full of waiting customers. The owner said he would give me my money back and I give him the warrenty card and I did. Took the refund and left and told everybody with in 300 miles of his pace. Did not have time to do it right the first time soo he must have figured that he did not have time to it right a second time. With the pipe machine in his shop the system should have fit like a glove. Go by the place many time a week and always full of cars. Now I have sent the message for thousands of miles.

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Joe in MN

03-17-2007 15:20:49




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to Dave from MN, 03-17-2007 13:13:12  
This can haapen to ANY Repair Business doing business with the public... try calling a Furnace Repair guy --- tell him your furnace is not heating good,,, ( and even when it's working Good ) he will fix it when nothing is wrong,,, even go to the point where he will tell you that you need a new furnace... Hard to find honest business folks...



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Billy NY

03-17-2007 17:47:24




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to Joe in MN, 03-17-2007 15:20:49  
The furnace thing happened to a friend just as you describe, yehhhp you will need a new one, furnace was 5yrs old, maybe a damper or something, forget now, but he told em to stuff it, had someone else do what it needed and it's been fine for years.

I find having a friend in the hvac trades, is better to have do work like this, make it side job away from his regular gig., seems a qualified person on the side won't pull these stunts usually, because it's good extra dough, but other people love taking your $$, really have to be careful unless you know them well. Paving contractors - the dishonest ones, same thing, got some left over material from a big job nearby, similar theory. We all got to make a buck, but hammering people is really low down.

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Joe in MN

03-18-2007 03:32:05




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to Billy NY, 03-17-2007 17:47:24  
Thanks Billy in NY --- (( How's all that snow treating you?)) Yes -- furnace folks are one of the bad ones -- I went to a furnace repair dealer and ordered a simple fan switch,, just in case mine went bad -- I wanted a back up ---

when I told the guy I ordered it for back up - because if I would have called him -- he would tell me I would need a new furnace --- he charged me twice the normal price -- instead of 19 dollars -- it went to 40 dollars just cause I told him he was dishonest ... (( He wanted to Prove he was dishonest ))

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Billy NY

03-18-2007 05:15:55




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to Joe in MN, 03-18-2007 03:32:05  
Yes, we just got another shipment of snow, just in, now it was supposed to be green ! Only 2 storms this year, 1 month apart, roads were clear by morning, about 18" worth, found an extension cord I forget to put away before the storm, with the blower, tested the shear bolt on the auger, it works ! I'll post a few pics on Allan's thread above re: spring has sprung.

Some of the heating guys around here you have to be careful with, the will try the same thing, the story my friend told me, was the same as what you describe, does not make sense, I think being honest and up front, will get you lots of repeat business, vs. hammering someone one time to grab the bait and get whatever they are pushing, like a new furnace when you don't need one. Boy does he have a disliking for the heating outfits now. All of these services, you really need to establish a relationship with, get to know em or have a friend do side work if you know someone in the business, or tell em right up front, don't eff with me, heres what I need, the darned things are not that complicated, even with the newer controls. I know they get calls where the customer has not done regular scheduled maintenance and there is a foot of soot inside, they don't want to deal with it, hence you'll need a new furnace !

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RayP(MI)

03-17-2007 15:20:37




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to Dave from MN, 03-17-2007 13:13:12  
Daughter was lured in to a shop on a service special... Before they were done, they had convinced her that she needed a radiator flush and new antifreeze immediately.... Fortunately she didn't have the money. I did it later for the cost of a gallon of antifreeze. This was a FORD DEALERSHIP. Dealershis aren't above seeing you coming either!



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Mike (WA)

03-18-2007 09:06:56




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to RayP(MI), 03-17-2007 15:20:37  
Got hosed by a Ford dealership about 20 years ago- Charged by $160 to change a thermostat and flush and refill with anti-freeze. 1 hour shop labor to change the thermostat, and charged me the shop hourly rate for the 2 hours they left the car hooked up to the flushing machine (unattended). I got it knocked down to 50 bucks under threat of lawsuit. I later did a remove and replace on the thermostat, just to see how long it really took. 12 minutes, and I went as slow as I could without nodding off to sleep.

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johndeeregene

03-17-2007 14:48:16




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to Dave from MN, 03-17-2007 13:13:12  
MIDAS is another one that will try an screw ya over also. i took my work car in there to get a muffler put on it that was startin to rust out, they told me how much it would be after they looked at it, an then when i was on the road that day in my truck they called an said it needed this an that, an the total would be this much. i told them to pull it back out side an dont touch it. some of the things they wanted to replace had just been put on, last time i had something done, at the local muffler shop, who usually does my work but couldnt get it in this time. i tooked it back to him an he said there was nothing wrong with what they wanted to replace. he put a muffler on for half they wanted in the first place an i was back in workin order. will never grace there door steps again an advise no one else to either, unless they want screwed
johndeeregene
this midas was in des moines ia on euclid ave

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Peachybrain

03-19-2007 19:23:42




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to johndeeregene, 03-17-2007 14:48:16  
VW Dealships rip you off too and they don't even know what's wrong the the car. They couldn't figure out how to get the radio out to find the code on the back so we could use it again. They caouldn't figure out why the car wouldn't start. They tore the door apart but couldn't figure out why the door was sticking in the first place and still stuck. They charged $25 for a knob for the seat that broke in 2 minutes!!! They wanted to charge $100 for a rubber piece to hold the antenna. I just used some silcone sealer to hold it in place. It's done a pretty good job too!! The Tires Plus guys refused to work on the car after changing the starter and it still not working because they didn't want to end up chargeing us thousands of dollars trying to figure out what the problem was. I went online to figure out what was going on with it. They finally figured out that it was the computer brain that was bad and wanted to charge $1500, but they could get a used one for $300 after we let it sit at the dealership for a month or so. So we did do that. Most of this happened less than a month after we bought the car. Granted it was used. My whole family changed the trunk lid on the car this afternoon for a mere $53!

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Vern-MI

03-20-2007 03:20:26




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to Peachybrain, 03-19-2007 19:23:42  
How many people where in your family when they changed the deck lid. It must have been a heavy deck lid.



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peachybrain

03-21-2007 07:33:57




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to Vern-MI, 03-20-2007 03:20:26  
There where 3 in my family and 2 friends. But we each did small jobs while someone else did another small job. Like changing the locks from one trunk to the other. While the others where trying to get the dent out of the inside of the bottom of the trunk. The car is a VW Jetta.



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Peachybrain

03-19-2007 19:26:59




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to Peachybrain, 03-19-2007 19:23:42  
Forgot to add that I also haven't had any problems at the Chevy dealship where we bought our S-10:) Only great experiances there.



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Lincoln

03-17-2007 16:25:40




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to johndeeregene, 03-17-2007 14:48:16  
For whats its worth, I've always had excellent service at Karl Chevrolet in Ankeny.



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(IA)ChrisH

03-17-2007 21:05:22




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 Re: Karl Chevrolet in reply to Lincoln, 03-17-2007 16:25:40  
That's cause Karl wants to be your dealer for life. We've gone to Woodies on First street in Ankeny and been pleased with them. Also Magnum muffler just west of Woodies. Magnum made me an exhaust elbow for my Mc/Deering 15-30 -one end threaded- and only charged me 5 dollars. Said he'd never done a job like that before. Stands behind his mufflers too. Had a muffler go bad--replaced it, no charge for bracket, reused tail pipe.

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Lincoln

03-18-2007 11:03:46




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 Re: Karl Chevrolet in reply to (IA)ChrisH, 03-17-2007 21:05:22  
I will agree with you on both places. Magnum Muffler bent a pipe for the exhaust on my Case 300 and didn't charge me a dime. A friend of mine works at Woody's



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Coloken

03-17-2007 14:46:30




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to Dave from MN, 03-17-2007 13:13:12  
Sorry to tell you but that is the going price in this modern world. I was quoted 650.00 for four wheel brakes a couple of months ago and he looked me right in the eye as he said it. I intend to get the guy across the street to put in shoes from Big-R for about 12 bucks a pair.



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RodInNS

03-17-2007 13:36:49




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to Dave from MN, 03-17-2007 13:13:12  
I'm not sure that's really out of line... I follow your point about her not having the money, and needing a bit of a break, but most shops aren't in the position of being able to cut too many breaks to anyone.
Those part prices aren't out of line, either for the retail prices she got, or the wholesale you got. Drums are most often replaced because it's cheaper to replace most than cut them today, and you've got new performance with new drums.... IF once wheel cylinder is failing without any apperant reason to explain it other than age/fatigue, then the other isn't far behind... so it's really cheaper to throw it on there than do it in 2 weeks time when it goes. The fluid flush.... Dunno. I guess I'll give you that one, but mabey they got their reasons. If they've got to stand behind their work, with unknown customers, they're further ahead to do it right the first time than chance it....

Rod

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Dave from MN

03-17-2007 13:51:28




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to RodInNS, 03-17-2007 13:36:49  
The prices I listed for me , are retail. I dont get any deals. Her whole brake assembly, to me, seemed fine. Adjusters could use a good cleaning and lube. Just called my freind who is a mechanic, he said $150 -that includes new pads in front as well. Car is a 87 olds ciera. I am gonna call them and see what they tell someone that has been doing brake jobs since I was 13.They are taking advantage, tell her what she NEEDS, offer her the options of replacing all, and dont inflate the labor time. I always wonder how "some" shops have 2 mechanics working 10 hour days, can complete 36 hours of work on 8 vehicles in one work day. God Bless you honest technicians out there.

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RodInNS

03-18-2007 21:35:42




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to Dave from MN, 03-17-2007 13:51:28  
I still don't see this as being terribly out of line. AS I said, I don't quite see the point or need of the system flush and the associated labor for that, but the rest is exactly what I'd do on my own. The only place I'd get drums cut around here now is in the high school shop where they need practice work. Nobody cuts them anymore because it's cheaper and better to throw new drums on unless they're very expensive. The shoe prices vary a lot too. From supplier to supplier, in the quality of the shoe (regardless if it's heavy duty or whatever they call it), and the pricing practice of the seller. I deal at NAPA all the time and get a 30 % discount (shop rate, wholesale, whatever), and most regular customers like me get that rate except the weekend backyard type guys. I can tell you that I've paid a good deal more for some drums, shoes, pads and rotors than you're quoting, and that's at my price. I'd also put a hardware kit on too.... Their labor may be a bit high, but I'm sure there's a lot worse out there.

Also, in my mind there's a lot to be said about the remarks of no good deed going unpunished. I've done some jobs for some people and tried to cut them a deal, TOLD them what they were getting, and they still haggled and screwed around. In this market, their pool of suckers declines all the time with every one they screw. IF and when they come back, there'll be no deals here. Mabey not the case you're dealing with as you know her.... but people tend to get cynical after a while on both sides.
For the job done right, guarnteed, I don't think that price was too far out of line....

Rod

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Johnski

03-17-2007 15:03:09




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to Dave from MN, 03-17-2007 13:51:28  
Those prices don't seem too bad at todays rates to do the job correctly. Don't forget that there is overhead and liability involved too. Brake jobs are no place to cut corners, wheel cylinders need to be replaced in pairs, the hardware should be replaced and the fluid flushed. This is a 20 year old car we're talking about. I would hate to read the newspaper story about the young mother and child in a wreck due to a half-done brake job. I agree that there are a lot of crooks in the auto repair business but this dosen't seem to apply here. I do not work for a repair shop now but I had my own business for 10 years and many times in this case I would take the bill in installments instead of cutting corners on the job. I would get some referrals for a good private repair shop (not a chain or big box store) for service. Jf

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mike a. tenn.

03-17-2007 13:35:12




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to Dave from MN, 03-17-2007 13:13:12  
sounds like a car-x muffler place deal.

y'know...anytime i go into a new "repair" type shop, i tell the guy i'm dealing with right off the bat that if he does me right, he can count on my return business and that i'll spread the word about his work, but if he doesn't, not only can he can count on me to spread the "bad" word as far and wide as possible, he'll have to "deal" with a p*ssed off me. in the rural area i live in, your good name means alot and this especially applies to businesses. if i was you and the young lady, i'd start tellin' everyone i know about this experience, and hope fully the people you tell will tell their friends...and on and on and maybe someday that business will get changed over to a decent owner.

here's another trick i used to use when my mom was still alive and living too far away for me to fix her car. i'd call and make the appointment at the shop she was taking her car to. i'd tell them EXACTLY what i wanted done or checked out and when they called her to tell her what she needed, she'd call me first so i could call and talk to them about it. it's a sad but true situation still, that some places are more reluctant to "screw" a man over, than a woman, like they did your friend. maybe next time she can get you or another man to set up her appointments.

-mike

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thejdman01

03-17-2007 13:30:48




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 Re: Darned Dishonest auto service centers in reply to Dave from MN, 03-17-2007 13:13:12  
Many people get the shaft like that everday, a lot of times evern from dealers which people expect to pay more, but expect honest work. Its sad it relaly is.



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