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ironsales

03-06-2007 07:08:18




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been looking at one and was wondering everyones opinion.




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buickanddeere

03-06-2007 15:18:47




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 Re: 223 win short mag in reply to ironsales, 03-06-2007 07:08:18  
The .223 short is a solution looking for a problem. The ammo is over priced and isn't stocked at every Mom & Pop hadware store. .223 Rem or 5.56x45 is the cheapest new ammo off the shelf. If "worse comes to worse" you can always find ammo the military uses. .22 .223 .308 30/06 300Win and 12 gauge.



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RayP(MI)

03-06-2007 15:40:00




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 Re: 223 win short mag in reply to buickanddeere, 03-06-2007 15:18:47  
Have a .223 Rem, load my own with Nosler Ballistic tips, and I don't load them that heavy. Excellent performer. Does chucks, seven put down deer. Excellent long range. Don't really see the need for a short mag in that caliber. Sggest you look at the NEF Handi-rifle in .223 Rem, heavy barrell. Inexpensive, yet a fine performer.



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KIP in MX

03-06-2007 12:04:02




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 Re: 223 win short mag in reply to ironsales, 03-06-2007 07:08:18  
Probably in the same catagory as 22-250 and 220 Swift as far as ballistics and would be a good long range varmit round. As said below, reloading is the only way to go.



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Rick(IA)

03-06-2007 11:30:13




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 Re: 223 win short mag in reply to ironsales, 03-06-2007 07:08:18  
Waal, I'm cheap, so any firearm I buy has to serve double duty, both as a sporting arm, and for use if TSHFT. Using that criteria, any .22 cal centerfire I'd buy would be a standard .223. Everything I've got up to this point has been in .30 cal, but I'm starting to think maybe I oughta' buy a heavy-barrel AR-15 'fore the dummycrats ban 'em.



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hayray

03-06-2007 11:07:49




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 Re: 223 win short mag in reply to ironsales, 03-06-2007 07:08:18  
I don't know, just went coyote hunting yesterday with a buddy who had a brand new Browning .223 Win. short Mag but we never got to shoot it, saw one dog but after we stood up after our first set of calling and it took off, never got time to shoot at it. Anyways, he likes the gun, I don't know if it is anymore practical then a .223 Remington.



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jeffcat

03-06-2007 11:02:34




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 Re: 223 win short mag in reply to ironsales, 03-06-2007 07:08:18  
Simple answer is go with a 223. Not the short mag just plain old Remington 223. The 22-250 is a great load but do you need it? Buy Federal Match ammo and learn how to make real small groups on paper at the range. Take ONE shot and then wait about three minutes. This lets the barrel cool and then shoot ONE shot again. Remember it is the FIRST shot that gets that hog. The barrel will move the shot ever so little as it heats. That is why match and target guns have such big barrels. Real varment riffles are heavy barrel.

After you have shot High Power matches for many years you find out some stuff. The 223 has won many matches against 30-06 and 308 guns. This is over the coarse. That means 200,300 and 600 yards. The 22-250 is a great round and I do have one but... let me tell ya. The care and feeding of a HIGH quality gun will pay off in so many ways. A costom barrel like a Krager will cost ya like $350.00 but the bullets will go through the same hole!!! The other thing is to load your own ammo. If you use the same procedures as hand loaders that shoot match you will have a "death ray" of a gun. I know this is way over kill for ground hogs but is is true. Federal makes a good "match" load ammo and will hold dime size groups at 150 yards. The same cases reloaded with Match bullets and hand thrown powder charges will make a ragged hole in the target. Machines just don't "Hand load". Depends how tight you want your groups. The 223 is very good out to 150 yards with 55gr blittzer bullets and hogs just blow up! The 22-250 with the same bullet and hogs vaporize! These boxed loads you can buy at your local sports shop or order them. The simple thing is buy what you can and spend some time at the range! The 223 is cheap to feed and very easy to reload. The 22-250 is for long range stuff and you REALY need to know how to read the wind and conditions to do those fancy 400 yard shots. I have done it and it is real neat. Hope this didn't do a total over load on ya but you could go to a GOOD local gun club when they are having a DCM match and talk to the two guys that finished first and second. They will give you so much information your head will swim. Some of the REAL big boys shoot 1000 yard miatches and the winners have LESS than FOUR INCH GROUPS!!! I can't do that cause New Jersey only has a couple of 600 yard ranges. OK that is enough. Hope I helped. Jeffcat

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Billy NY

03-07-2007 06:53:10




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 Re: 223 win short mag in reply to jeffcat, 03-06-2007 11:02:34  
That is good information, not often do I get a chance to get to the range, but not that long ago, I was there while a pair of army snipers were practicing with a heavy barrel 300 win mag and tack driving at 600 yd simulated. Actual yardage was 200 or 300 yds, I forget now. Same practices used, handloading, that heavy barrel and I'm sure quite a bit of handloads tweaked along the way to fit that particular rifle, then you have the complete package, rifle and handload recipe, with exception of differing powder lots and bullets. Thinking back, this was after 9-11 but before Iraq started, so it was a while ago these guys had just got out and were enjoying some time at the range with their kids. The accuracy that rifle had was amazing, tuned right in.

I've handloaded my springfield M1A, with a friend who is more experienced in handloads, and it gave some great results also many center of heart shots on whitetails with that same batch of rounds, it's a nice hobby, with so many variables and things to learn, buy, practice etc. and always fun when you get a chance to test out your work on the range, does seem to give good results, sometimes you have to change things and shoot, and keep at it until you find a combination that works for a particular rifle. See a lot or retirees taking up shooting at this particular range, many times you have the place to yourself, no one is there.

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Carp

03-06-2007 09:45:54




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 Re: 223 win short mag in reply to ironsales, 03-06-2007 07:08:18  
I just don't think you can beat a proven round like the 22-250 for higher velocity or a 223 rem for good performance but a little cheaper to shoot. Unless you are looking for somthing just to be different, the 22-250 is the way to go in 22 cal.



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Dave 2N

03-06-2007 09:47:10




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 Re: 223 win short mag in reply to Carp, 03-06-2007 09:45:54  
I agree 100%. I've been using one since the early 60's when it was a wildcat. I also have a .223 but the 22/250 gets the blue ribbon.



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John (MO)

03-06-2007 07:13:46




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 Re: 223 win short mag in reply to ironsales, 03-06-2007 07:08:18  
The balistics look good on paper, I never personally shot one. My question would be: What are you wanting to do with it that you can`t do with something less exotic? Not that there is anything wrong with exotic in many cases. LOL



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