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37 chief

02-28-2007 19:16:39




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I have a AC tractor motor from the late 30's, the rod bolt nuts have a cotter pin, and the main bearing bolts are safety wired. I also am working on a ford v8 from the late 30's. The main bearing cap nuts are safety wired, and the rod bolt nuts have a cotter pin. I just wonder if safety wire, and cotter pins are really necessary anymore, as I don't see it on the late motors. Stan




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Aaron Ford

03-01-2007 17:28:54




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 Re: Safety wire bolts in reply to 37 chief, 02-28-2007 19:16:39  
4 years of installing and removing the Gau-8A anti-tank gun in A-10s made me a pro at this stuff.

You will need one pair of safety wire pliers. Harbor Freight sells them cheap. The 9 inchers will do fine. Also get a roll of .032 stainless wire. You will have about 20 bucks in this.


My engine bolts were single drilled so I installed the safety wire in a D-pattern. I figure yours are the same. Make a U with 18 inches of wire. Run one leg through the hole and the other around the bolt and stretch both wires toward the attachment point. Make the D so that any tension on the wire will serve to tighten the bolt. Cross the wires at the point where they pass the second attachment point or the next bolt. Atach pliers to the wires where crossed and pull on the knob. Do this several times til you get 8-10 twists per inch and either tie off to the attachment point or make your D on the next bolt. When finished, trim the excess and use your needle nose to bend the sharp ends down to avoid a potential snag. Should look pretty trick when you are done. Even pros screw up and make the D backward or twist too much wire. Lotsa practice helps.

After you get it all down, try doing it above your head as far as you can reach, in the dark, 16 inches deep inside a space about the size of a milk jug. A squished milk jug.

Then try no to punch the QA guy when he wants you to cut it out to prove that you had exactly 8-10 twists per inch.

HTH

Aaron

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37 chief

03-01-2007 18:02:05




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 Re: Safety wire bolts in reply to Aaron Ford, 03-01-2007 17:28:54  
I know all about that safety wire also, being a aircraft mechanic in the Navy. What really got to me was the guy before me didn't put a curl in the end of the wire, and I would run the wire about 1/2 in into my finger. My hands were always scrathched up from raching into small spaces. Stan



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Bud Sather in MT

03-01-2007 13:27:05




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 Re: Safety wire bolts in reply to 37 chief, 02-28-2007 19:16:39  
Stan,
You need them. I had a rattling sound in the pony motor of my jd R. Took the motor off and discovered that the person who had it off last did not secure the rod caps and sure enough the nuts came off, hammered the connecting rod sides to where they would not fit in the cylinder walls, and also egg shaped the crank. I still haven't fixed that problem yet.
Bud



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1941 farmall a boy

02-28-2007 23:34:20




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 Re: Safety wire bolts in reply to 37 chief, 02-28-2007 19:16:39  
Hey 37 chief how have you been. I have a ? about you name on hear was you born in 37 or a chief in 37 lol just wanting to know. My grand dad or some thing like that was a chief in 1937 in the navy. Any ways im still trying to get the pistons free in my "A" im trying to find me a enginehoest to pull it and work on it. Take care Thanks Carson



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37 chief

03-01-2007 07:52:44




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 Re: Safety wire bolts in reply to 1941 farmall a boy, 02-28-2007 23:34:20  
I use my 1937 Indian Chief motorcycle as my sign in. I was born in 1942. I was in the Navy but never made chief, when my time was over in 68 I didn't reinlist, after learning my next duty station was Adak Alaska. Stan



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1941 farmall a boy

03-01-2007 13:09:10




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 Re: Safety wire bolts in reply to 37 chief, 03-01-2007 07:52:44  
LOL I just siting hear thinking if he was a chief in the navy. My did was in the navy in 1958 and 59. I am in a car club and one of the guy"s there has a Indian Chief I dont know what year it is. Im still workin away on my 41 :A: im been play with the electorlysis for the hood and that stuff I have not got it all the way down yet. I just been out there take ever thing a part on it and then trying to put it all back on only thing that is makeing me mad is the belt pully and the pto I cant get the gear"s lined up to get it on there all the way I did one time and i for got to put a part on soo I had to take it all back off ill get it some time thow. Take care Stan The army stand"s for Aint real marine"s yet thinking you woud like that lol
Carson

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dds-inc

02-28-2007 20:33:28




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 Re: Safety wire bolts in reply to 37 chief, 02-28-2007 19:16:39  
oh yes, definitely necessary.

These older machines were produced with a surface to suface clearance tolerance a LOT larger than today's machines. They could rattle themselves loose suddenly.

Today's machines are torqued down so accurately with near perfect clearances that there will be virtually no way a bolt could rattle itself loose



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Grub

02-28-2007 20:21:07




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 Re: Safety wire bolts in reply to 37 chief, 02-28-2007 19:16:39  
Aircraft engines have used cotter pins on the rod nuts for some time and in the last few years gone to self-locking nuts.
I think if your fasteners are in good condition, lubed and properly torqued so you have the correct preload you will be in good shape.

Grub



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Walt Davies

02-28-2007 19:47:39




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 Re: Safety wire bolts in reply to 37 chief, 02-28-2007 19:16:39  
Probably not but they don't take much to put them in and then you are sure that they will stay.
Walt



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Rex in Australia

03-01-2007 01:32:09




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 Re: Safety wire bolts in reply to Walt Davies, 02-28-2007 19:47:39  
They're there for a reason. The other posting was correct, the older engines vibrate more and often with some of the old diesels I have pulled apart I found broken pins in the sump, they shook them out! The old aircraft way of twisting the pins was the best, used to use them on old English diesels in the 70's.
Put them in, and be safe.
God Bless,
Rex



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