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Andyin Ct

02-18-2007 06:59:32




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I want to refill the tires on my tractor after fixing a flat. Is there anything less corrosive than calcium I could use? Would anti freeze or RV anti freeze work? Thanks




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And in Ct

02-18-2007 13:27:32




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 Re: Loaded tires in reply to Andyin Ct, 02-18-2007 06:59:32  
Thanks for the responses. I got this tractor a few years ago and the damage was done to the rims already from the calcium. I do maintain my equipment, change the oil, grease it etc. So I don't need a lecture on maintenance.



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buickanddeere

02-18-2007 22:10:46




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 Re: Loaded tires in reply to And in Ct, 02-18-2007 13:27:32  
The best way to control a problem is to get rid of it. In the nuclear, aviation, public safety, manufacturing etc. If there is a less dangerous substitute material, it is used.Accidents, leaks, spills and messes will always occur. What do you want? Something lethal/corrosive or something with low toxicity and benign. Rather than always fighting an anti corrosion battle plus knowing there is going to be one na$tey rusting paint eating mess should there be a tire failure. Instead of always having to look over your shoulder to keep from getting bit in the backside. Just get rid of what maybe sneaking up on you. Just enjoy the peace of mind of cheap washer fluid diluted 1 to 3 or 4 to water. You know the rims are going to last and you won't be service item in the future. Who can stand there with a straight face and say over the live span and all the operating costs of a tractor. You can even see the cost difference between filling with calcium or filling something non corrosive. You certainly won't be paying for rims. I just had a tire spray calcium chloride between the rim and valve stem last Friday. I'll know Tuesday what kind of a me$$ lies hidden inside the rims. The barrel of alcohol is here waiting already to mix and re-fill. You can't take a tire valve of any age and make it seal 100% against a salt solution. The salt crystals prevent a 100% seal. I wonder when white table sugar is so cheap. How many pounds of sugar would keep 100 gallons of water from freezing hard at 0F?

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Hugh MacKay

02-18-2007 17:21:38




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 Re: Loaded tires in reply to And in Ct, 02-18-2007 13:27:32  
Andy: This was not so much a case of giving you a lecture, as it was to quell the opponents of calcium chloride. The solution of calciun chloride and water as ballast gets a bum rap on these pages. It has been used very successfully for years, and with a small bit of maintenence does't need to rust out rims. Actually that maintenence is far less than the time required to maintain other components of the tractor.

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Don-Wi

02-18-2007 16:07:49




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 Re: Loaded tires in reply to And in Ct, 02-18-2007 13:27:32  
Not trying to give you in particular a lecture, just suggesting you still use Calcium Chloride in the rears, even after having a bad rust-out. A clean rim and a clean tire will keep the new rim from rusting again.

Donovan from Wisconsin



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Wayne Swenson

02-18-2007 10:35:31




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 Re: Loaded tires in reply to Andyin Ct, 02-18-2007 06:59:32  
Try Rim Guard. It is non-corrosive & environmentally friendly plus animals are not hurt by it.



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Hugh Mackay

02-18-2007 09:51:54




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 Re: Loaded tires in reply to Andyin Ct, 02-18-2007 06:59:32  
Andy Calcium chloride is only corosive it you don't look after it. Change the stem centers every 5 years, heck of a lot less money than anti freeze or washer fluid. I've run chloride for years and years no problem. The only folks who have problems are folks who never make repairs, or never service their tractor. They have dozens of other things wrong with their tractors that cost far more than a set of rims every 40 years.

I had a guy tell me his valve stems had been leaking for 5 years, he hadn't changed the oil in recent memory either, probably 10 years. I'll bet his engine repairs cost him a lot more money than the leaky stems. There are hundreds of 40 year old tractors out there with with original rims and have had chloride since new. The stem centers have been changed every 5 years. Maintenence my friend, tractors don't service themselves.

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iowa_tire_guy

02-18-2007 11:36:27




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 Re: Loaded tires in reply to Hugh Mackay, 02-18-2007 09:51:54  
Hey, finally someone who understands Calcium chloride and how it works. Also if you do have a flat and have to repair the tire make sure you take time and effort to rinse off the rim and inside of tire. Been doing this for years and on ones I have been back into years later have no sign of extra rust. Maintenence man, YOU got to do it.



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Hugh MacKay

02-18-2007 13:06:33




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 Re: Loaded tires in reply to iowa_tire_guy, 02-18-2007 11:36:27  
tire guy: Truly amazing the effort an cost these guys incur just to avoid calcium chloride. Dollar for dollar just about the least expensive balast one can obtain. The only effort involves a thorough washing with cold water every tire change, and install a new $6. valve stem every 5 years. For years and years we even did that wash with garden hose, no high presure wash. Can you imagine how offensive these guys must find a grease gun, or packing front wheel bearings.

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Don-Wi

02-18-2007 11:33:34




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 Re: Loaded tires in reply to Hugh Mackay, 02-18-2007 09:51:54  
Right on Hugh!!!!

My Oliver 1600 has had fluid in it since new (63), and the rims are still fine. I left the fluid out after restoring it because it doesn't need the weight anymore, not because of the corrosion. Our 1855 has some rust around the valve stems.

We bought it about 4 years ago now and I replaced the valve stems shortly after. I don't think they were leaking too long, it looks more like surface rust. The rest of our tractors still have fluid in them and no rusted out rims yet. You just gotta stay on top of things...

Donovan from Wisconsin

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Hugh MacKay

02-18-2007 13:31:18




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 Re: Loaded tires in reply to Don-Wi, 02-18-2007 11:33:34  
Don: In all my years of farming I only ever bought 5 rear rims. My Farmall 300 and most of that was caused by stump damage around the wood lot. You can only straighten them so many times. My Super A had one leaky valve stem when I bought it, the other rim is original. Both stems on my 140 were leaking when I bought it, and it had a new tire on one side. Can you imagine someone installing a new tire after 40 years and not a tube, even change the stem. I am going to buy rims for my 130 shortly, however those are close to 50 years old.

I had a guy call me one day hydraulics on his Super C, wouldn't work. He had known it was low in hydraulic fluid, but that didn't matter he hadn't been using hydraulics as he was hauling wood with a trailer. Now he fills it with hydraulic fluid to use his snow blade for winter, and hydraulics don't work. I asked him if he cut himself and was bleeding non stop, would he stand by and let that pump go dry? Well no was the answer. I said, "it's the same thing neither one of those pumps can operate dry." I suppose the hydraulic can if one shuts the tractor off.

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Don-Wi

02-18-2007 15:55:50




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 Re: Loaded tires in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-18-2007 13:31:18  
I can understand using the old tube on a set of duals, but I would atleast put in a new stem!!! Our tire shop strongly recommends a new tube in a new tire, and I don't think they'll even give you the option of using the old one if it's had fluid in it.

I had the fluid pumped out of my 1600 while I was working on it, and it was a good thing too because one tire blew out just sitting next ot the shop. Now I've got new tires on the rear and just put them on dry because we use it to pull the planters and run the blower. No need for the weight there... and it still weighs in at about 7200. Our 1855 on the other hand has loaded 18.4-38's plus a bunch up front and overall it weighs in at 13,300. That's the plowing tractor and it's hopefully gonna be getting a new set of rubber in a year or 2, then the old ones are going on the dual rims for the extra traction...

All the complaints of CC in the rears astounds me, because it's something that can be avoided so easily just by simple maintnance. If it's leaking you're gonna know one way or the other.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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Wardner

02-18-2007 08:22:47




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 Re: Loaded tires in reply to Andyin Ct, 02-18-2007 06:59:32  
Andy, I have about 1500 clean gallons of 20% ethelyene glycol. Crystals start to form at 10 degrees. It is slushy at 0 degrees. Don't know at what temperature it solidifies and/or expands. It can be fortified with additional automotive antifreeze. The best part for you is that I am near Lowell, MA. If interested, email me.



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old

02-18-2007 07:09:01




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 Re: Loaded tires in reply to Andyin Ct, 02-18-2007 06:59:32  
I use wiper fluid its animal friendly and dosen't brake the bank either like antifreeze does. I also got a page from an old owner manual that explains how to fill them with out pumps etc. Drop me an e-mail if you want a copy of it



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df

02-18-2007 07:02:15




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 Re: Loaded tires in reply to Andyin Ct, 02-18-2007 06:59:32  
Depending on hs size of the tire. For example we live in NC and it does not get as cold here as there. On a 20.8x38 tire we generally add about 6 gallons of antifreeze w/ water. I have heard that Beet juice will not freeze down to 40 below. I would not use Calcium Chloride.



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