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Way O.T. chevy truck exhaust dilemma

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Billy NY

02-13-2007 15:29:24




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I've got this great ole K-10 chevy 4x4, yard truck for plowing snow etc., it's been off the road for years and it's got a 350 in it with a pair of headers on it. Gear drive NP 203 transfer case, 4 spd. and a motor with under 25,000 miles, the drive train will outlast the body I'm sure.

Problem is, I have not been able to fit a pipe to make the transition through the transfer case, cross member area and line up the exh. pipe collector flange to the header flange correctly. The bottom of the collector flange has a 1/2" gap, but is flush at top. I can align the pipe, just that the flange has a gap on the bottom, having trouble figring out where to make the bend to correct it.

The ingenious idiot that I am and I have to laugh about it thinking back, I first took a piece of flex pipe, fit it in there until it looked right, held the bend, strapped it to a board, and took it to the muffler shop down the street, they bent up a piece, close but no cigar. Next I offset the collector on the pipe while it was on there, used the flex I had there in the joint to make a good connection, it was flush with the header flange, I then made a pencil mark around the pipe and had it welded on to that mark, and it was still no good when I fit the pipe in there again, so the trial and error method is not working well on this. Was getting irritated, so I thought it best to leave it for another day. So darned close, but no way it will bolt up properly with that gap at the bottom.

I recall years ago, I had bought the first set of headers and dual exhaust kit as one kit and the pipe I needed for the right side by the transfer case was in the kit, and already bent correctly, and fit in there with no problem. Somewhere, someone was fabricating this pipe at one time, there should be a bending card or fabrication sheet for it somewhere, even though it's not stock for the truck. The 73-87 K-10 trucks were abundant, and so were the performance exhaust kits for these, does anyone know where to start looking ? The auto parts stores and muffler shops don't seem to help, and I've looked on the net through applicable exhaust diagrams by flowmaster, walker etc. no luck finding anything yet.

Not having any clue about pipe bending, not sure how to make something work, it's always off, close, but still off. I'd hate to go back to a stock exhaust, bought and installed a new set of headers, wish the old pipe did not disintegrate.

Anyone else here deal with these old chevy trucks and this pipe by the transfer case ? Looking for alternative ideas or suggestions.

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Sid

02-13-2007 19:25:12




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 Re: Way O.T. chevy truck exhaust dilemma in reply to Billy NY, 02-13-2007 15:29:24  
Why not use the flex pipe?



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Randy as in Randy-IA

02-13-2007 16:33:07




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 Re: Way O.T. chevy truck exhaust dilemma in reply to Billy NY, 02-13-2007 15:29:24  
Hi , One point - the 203 isn't and never was a gear drive the 205 was , the 203 was full-time and chain drive . Dumb question - Are ya sure you bought truck headers ? Car headers have longer collectors . Anyway I have a '73 shortbox and I didn't have any trouble at all with this area on either side with the exhuast exiting in front of the wheels with Hooker pro-comp headers. It's been a while since I been under there looking at the exhaust . Are you trying to go over or under the crossmember ? I don't have the stock system anymore so if you are trying to hook to the stock style system I don't know . Seems as though you'd be money ahead to just start at the front and make the back fit instead of trying to put a piece in the middle . Here's an idea get some pvc pipe ells ( 90's ) the same size as your exhaust and cut them and duct tape them together . Take it to the shop and make sure it's identicle . The flex tube should have worked just as well though . Personally , I would just put a couple 90's on and forget it . Open headers on a good running 350 is music at all decibles ! That's the way I used to go river running down in MO on the Black river between Lesterville and Centerville . I had at that time a '78 GMC short box with 39-15-15 Mickey Thompson Tall Baja's , six inch lift and a 400+ horse 350 with a four speed and a 205 t-case and 14 bolt full-floater rear , Those were the days ! I could run in 5 feet of water if I kept moving forward to keep a bubble under the hood 4 feet if I had to stop for anything . Anyway keep trying , I had a bunch of old bends laying around so that helped but I wasn't trying to hook two different pipes together either .Good luck ! ...Randy

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Billy NY

02-13-2007 20:00:05




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 Re: Way O.T. chevy truck exhaust dilemma in reply to Randy as in Randy-IA, 02-13-2007 16:33:07  
Definitely truck headers, used to be able to get the headers and exhaust in one kit, for like $200, say 15 or so years ago, hooker headers, and pipes, nothing fancy, they lasted 4 or so years I think, pipes rusted quick from sitting. Funny how loud these made them sound, even a tired dog of a motor sounded ok with these as I recall. So much better when the motor can back the noise though.

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Billy NY

02-13-2007 17:27:40




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 Re: Way O.T. chevy truck exhaust dilemma in reply to Randy as in Randy-IA, 02-13-2007 16:33:07  
Yeah, it's a 205, I vaguely recall the models of those NP's, they used to make them 100 miles from here, it's a big ole heavy duty unit, gear drive, this was an auto, I converted it to a 4 spd when the auto went bad, got all the parts for it from an older K-10 with less than 30,000 miles, flushed the trans and transfer case out, was clean oil that came out, put 85-140 cling in there, what a strong drive train, I have had some fun with this ole truck when it was on the road and off. Used to carefully knock over 3"-4" diameter trees using the plow frame. It was not too bad to convert over to stick, one tough drive drain, I did all the u-joints, front hubs, she's gettin rusty now though, from sittin I suppose.

I'm trying to stay along the outside of the t-case, above the cross member, it's got flowmaster headers on it, nothing stock, which I am sure would have been easier to deal with as it's listed in the walker and other books showing exhaust systems for these. It's actually a simple bend, just something off a little.

I like the PVC idea, and Walt's too, I had contemplated the wire thing, but figured the flex pipe would have done it for a template. Even with snow coming, I had to set it aside, and try again with a clear head, once I get frustrated hard to think right. Just on pipe with a collector on one end, should pass through above the cross member, with 2 slight bends, both like 20 degrees that offset the pipe, then it's straight to the back. I've run this sucker with open headers, sounds good, but the fumes get into the cab, hard to deal with that. I may have to get it fired up and bring it to them, the heck with it, only 1/4 mile down the road.

I'll bet you had some fun with that one set up like you say, only thing I can recall when lifted was the u-joints wearing out, forget how that was dealt with, something to do with the angle of the shafts.

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Walt Davies

02-13-2007 15:40:42




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 Re: Way O.T. chevy truck exhaust dilemma in reply to Billy NY, 02-13-2007 15:29:24  
Take a piece of 1/8 welding wire and bend it to fit the hole then take that down to the muffler shop.
Walt



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Bob

02-13-2007 15:35:38




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 Re: Way O.T. chevy truck exhaust dilemma in reply to Billy NY, 02-13-2007 15:29:24  
It wouldn't take the guy who does exhausts for me 5 minutes to bend up a pipe like that by eye.
Your guy must be a little "slow"!



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Billy NY

02-13-2007 15:45:21




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 Re: Way O.T. chevy truck exhaust dilemma in reply to Bob, 02-13-2007 15:35:38  
That's what I thought, looked like a simple bend, but I'll find a way to make a project of it somehow LOL ! It's a local Monro shop, good manager and decent guys in the shop actually, just my luck here. I try to be helpful, like with the ridiculous flex pipe etc. LOL !!!

It's a stone's throw away, be my luck getting caught if I chanced bringing it in there, off road, no brakes either, but if it was on their lift, it would probably be easier to fit. It's a tight fit, but has enough room with the correct bend as I recall, wish I had the old pipe now !

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Bob

02-13-2007 15:51:43




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 Re: Way O.T. chevy truck exhaust dilemma in reply to Billy NY, 02-13-2007 15:45:21  
I missed the point about not daring to "sneak" the truck to the muff shop.

Thank God I live where I do!



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Bob

02-13-2007 15:34:59




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 Re: Way O.T. chevy truck exhaust dilemma in reply to Billy NY, 02-13-2007 15:29:24  
It woudn't take the guy who does exhausts for me 5 minutes to bend up a pipe like that by eye.



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