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keith a

02-09-2007 16:06:32




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I am going to keep this short, but basically, today I was getting ready to call this dealership to tell them to go ahead on the deal we've been working on and they told me that they sold the tractor from underneath me and just on Wednesday afternoon I was calling on shipping quotes to me. Is this just me or was that just wrong of them to do? It wouldnt bother me so bad, but the tractor I was dealing on is pretty rare, and it happend to be traded on on their lot (Case IH lot). I guess I just feel betrayed that I was told I am in the drivers seat and they tell me I wasnt working with them fast enough. And to boot, this rare tractor is going somewheres else.

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Iowa cornstalker

02-10-2007 16:06:17




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 Re: You are 100% completely wrong. in reply to keith a, 02-09-2007 16:06:32  

You were still negotiating, and someone else bought it. Too bad. You were too slow, and have no one to blame but yourself for not making the deal earlier.

I can't even see why you are upset (other than with yourself)?



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Rob in Indiana

02-10-2007 14:09:06




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 Re: hosed by an implement on my deal in reply to keith a, 02-09-2007 16:06:32  
a dealer sold a tractor you were interested in but unable to pay for until you sold a car..... ..

You had nothing on paper to tie up this deal and someone came along with cash in hand and the dealer sold the unit..... and your upset with the dealer?

I been the dealer I would have sold and not think twice.

your still haggleing price and trying to raise the money..... ..



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keith a

02-10-2007 14:15:58




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 Re: hosed by an implement on my deal in reply to Rob in Indiana, 02-10-2007 14:09:06  
i have the money in hand- car has been for sale for a month(NOTHING to do with the tractor), and i brought it up to compair selling tecniques.



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Rob in Indiana

02-10-2007 15:02:45




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 Re: hosed by an implement on my deal in reply to keith a , 02-10-2007 14:15:58  
then I guess you should have not been farting around and put some money down to hold your rare tractor!!



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Jim Johnson

02-10-2007 09:06:59




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 Re: hosed by an implement on my deal in reply to keith a, 02-09-2007 16:06:32  
Why don"t you tell us what this RARE tractor was and one of us might be able to find you what you want. Just a thought. Jim



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feet dragger

02-10-2007 07:36:08




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 Re: hosed by an implement on my deal in reply to keith a, 02-09-2007 16:06:32  
I was at the market yesterday to buy a gallon of milk. They only had one gallon left but I failed to pick it up right away, instead I called the wife to negotiate when I would be home with the milk and we also talked about if the price was just right. She finally agreed with me so I went back to the cooler to get the milk and it was gone. It seems another customer came in and bought the milk right off from under me and now I feel betrayed. What should I do?
1. Buy a milk cow?
2. Never shop at that market again?
3. Realize I took too long and it's actually my fault?
4. Blame it on George Bush?
5. Drink water?

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keith a

02-10-2007 13:57:27




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 Re: hosed by an implement on my deal in reply to feet dragger, 02-10-2007 07:36:08  
I think your a grade A moron with your idiotic reply. If you honestly think by me feeling slighly shafted on this deal is wrong, then thats your problem, or you could be that jerk salesman i was dealing with. save your smarty pants comments for someone else.



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feet dragger

02-11-2007 05:35:28




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 Re: hosed by an implement on my deal in reply to keith a, 02-10-2007 13:57:27  
Possibly you should go back and read what you wrote and realize just how foolish that statement is. If you always have an attitude like that then I certainly could understand why someone would be hesitant to do business with you. BUT, I feel confident you wrote that during a moment of anger and don't feel that way all the time. Sadly not everything in life goes exactly as we hope it will, so just smile and let it pass. Everything happens for a reason, and life is short so learn to enjoy it for what it is and what you make of it.

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Mike (WA)

02-10-2007 09:14:41




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 Re: hosed by an implement on my deal in reply to feet dragger, 02-10-2007 07:36:08  
Touche! That was just excellent. . .



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two mile

02-10-2007 06:37:46




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 Re: hosed by an implement on my deal in reply to keith a, 02-09-2007 16:06:32  
I had a really strange one several years ago. Had a deal brewing to trade three tractors for two. I got a phone call from the dealer. Seems one of the tractors was a fresh local trade. The farmer had just learned that he had lost a significant amount of his land base and was wanting to undo his done deal. Ended up I traded three for one. I still respect the dealer, he was willing to do what was best for his customer.

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Rauville

02-10-2007 06:16:16




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 Re: hosed by an implement on my deal in reply to keith a, 02-09-2007 16:06:32  
If this was truly a "rare tractor" you should have realized that perhaps someone else would be interested in it as well. I've found in my business, nothing makes something more interesting to customers, then when it is marked "Sold"! Everybody talks about it, until it sells, and then everyone wants it.

As far as tractor salesman go...don't put your faith in what they tell you. I was dealing on a tractor / loader, and the saleman gave me a price that HE wrote on the back of his business card. I went back two days later with my check book to buy the tractor...and the price was a few hundred dollars higher. I showed him his card with the price HE quoted, and he told me; "Anyone could have written that on there".

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RickL

02-10-2007 05:45:55




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 Re: hosed by an implement on my deal in reply to keith a, 02-09-2007 16:06:32  
Keith; Sorry this happen to you and made you upset but really nothing happen to you. You wanted that tractor but put no deposit down,so ther is no deal. I deal with the public daily on machinery,hay straw seed etc. Boy if you had a nickel for every one who says will call you right back on it,yea right. no offense but the real world not like that. You interested deposit down or pay for it simple as that. ihave some items thou that even deposits don't mean anything they still never show. law says after year waiting its mine to sell again. You weren't hosed, just never made the deal,Oh and waiting week or two thinking price gets cheaper,that doesn't work anymore either in my business. If you want item held I will do that but only for week and it is in writing PERIOD

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Mike Van

02-10-2007 05:07:44




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 Re: hosed by an implement on my deal in reply to keith a, 02-09-2007 16:06:32  
So, Keith, how did the last conversation go? "Take you tractors & shove 'em" or " if the sale falls through, call me back"?



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TomTX

02-10-2007 03:53:32




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 Re: hosed by an implement on my deal in reply to keith a, 02-09-2007 16:06:32  
First cash equals sale.
All you had to do was negotiate with the dealer as to XXXX dollars equals XXXX days tractor will be held. Can't expect dealer to turn down cash sale because of a "looker" that "may" buy it. Tom



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paul

02-09-2007 19:08:10




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 Re: hosed by an implement on my deal in reply to keith a, 02-09-2007 16:06:32  
Cash usually talks. First one to put down real money often wins.

I can understand your frustration, but I also can see it from the dealer's side of things - he has money tied up in an item for sale, he's going to take the first pile of bills he gets. That's business. If he turns away a walk-in sale, & you decide to not buy it, he can be stuck with it for a while.

Buying something in person is always best. See it, buy it or not, walk away with or without. Everyone knows where everyone stands. Doing it over the phone, over a long period of time - not so good for either side.

--->Paul

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Rich Va

02-09-2007 19:40:34




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 Re: hosed by an implement on my deal in reply to paul, 02-09-2007 19:08:10  
I'm understanding that Keith and dealer were negociating,which now we know means nothing now. Not really good for business. I think by now Keith has realized that the (case-ih) in that area are jerks.



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omahagreg

02-09-2007 18:35:23




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 Re: hosed by an implement on my deal in reply to keith a, 02-09-2007 16:06:32  
I had the opposite happen to me last spring. Middle of April I wanted to sod my yard-only one place had sod available that early. I'm standing at the register when the phone rings. The guy commits half of his stock to the other guy over the phone-now there is not enough for me. Man was I mad-but-since he was the only show in town, I had to go back the next day to get what I needed. Greg



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Rich Va

02-09-2007 18:27:49




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 Re: hosed by an implement on my deal in reply to keith a, 02-09-2007 16:06:32  
I think you were just giving yourself some time, and trying to build some trust with the dealer. 40 years ago it would work. Lot of hogs out there now. Just sit back and wait,something bigger and better will come along, at least you know now these pry bars care more about money than honest people. If you think about it real hard,they're the suckers.



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Mark-in-Mi

02-09-2007 17:56:25




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 Re: hosed by an implement on my deal in reply to keith a, 02-09-2007 16:06:32  
Keith,no one has mentioned another scenerio.Guy comes in looks at tractor,dealer says I think it is sold.Guy says oh how much?Dealer says $$$$.Guy says I will give you 500.00 more.Dealer says sold.Thats why ya lay some money down and lock er up.



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otto

02-09-2007 17:53:51




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 Re: hosed by an implement on my deal in reply to keith a, 02-09-2007 16:06:32  
Hey what kinda tractor was it,,,



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135 Fan

02-09-2007 17:37:49




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 Re: hosed by an implement on my deal in reply to keith a, 02-09-2007 16:06:32  
It was kind of a bad deal for you. Dealers do get a lot of tire kickers. He might have thought that it would cost you too much to ship and if someone walked in with cash and wanted it right now, he's in a bit of a bind. Money talks I guess. He could have possibly told the other guy he was working on a deal and could let him know in a day or two. I've been screwed like that before. Sometimes it's a good thing because the machine needs lots of TLC. Maybe you'll find another one. Dave

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mike a. tenn.

02-09-2007 17:32:22




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 Re: hosed by an implement on my deal in reply to keith a, 02-09-2007 16:06:32  
keith...ya...you kinda got shafted a little (in my opinion), but you were dealing with a dealer who's main goal is to sell to whoever can pay the price. if it had been a friend or neighbor that you had a verbal deal with and they sold it out from under you, then i would be 100% on your side and agree that you got totally "hosed" and betrayed. i know how you feel and i sympathize. (it's happened to me too)

-mike

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Ray

02-09-2007 17:17:41




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 Re: hosed by an implement on my deal in reply to keith a, 02-09-2007 16:06:32  
I was test driving a tractor last week,parked it,
and the salesman told me he just sold it over the phone.



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marlowe

02-09-2007 17:02:29




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 Re: hosed by an implement on my deal in reply to keith a, 02-09-2007 16:06:32  
dealers point. bird in hand is worth two in the bush. if it's what you wanted 50.00 down on CC would have locked the deal. hast makes waste.



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davpal

02-09-2007 16:41:35




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 Re: hosed by an implement on my deal in reply to keith a, 02-09-2007 16:06:32  
Consider it a lesson in modern economics. Was it crappy for the guy to do that? Probably, but they get enough people that call all hyped up and never hear from them again. Haven't you ever sold something and had somebody who was 100% sure they wanted it and never came back. Next time you want something bad enough act like it and get some money in their hand and a purchase agreement made up. I did that on a polaris quad. Dealer got two 6x6 polaris's from another dealer that went out of business. Saw the great deal advertises in the paper. Called on phone, did visa card payment over the phone. Quad was mine, end of story. No wait, paid off visa card. End of story.

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Brokenwrench

02-09-2007 16:26:47




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 Re: hosed by an implement on my deal in reply to keith a, 02-09-2007 16:06:32  
I feel bad for ya, but I gotta agree with Allen.
Think of it if roles were flipped. If you were standing on the lot with cash in hand, and the salesman said "nope, it might be sold", or if you were selling something and you had a maybe on one side and a fist full of cash on the other, I know what I`d do.
That said, I don`t know all the details, and I wouldn`t think it unreasonable of the dealer to call you and give you the heads up on the situation. Hope you find an even better deal and all works out. Usually with me, right after I make a purchase, I find just what I was lookin for at half the price.

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russ hamm

02-09-2007 16:24:22




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 Re: hosed by an implement on my deal in reply to keith a, 02-09-2007 16:06:32  
sorry keith, i know how you feel. been there done that, but all my hesitations in the past have lost me deals. and some of my hurrying on a deal got me some bad ones. money down would have helped but without that it's first with the green at most places.



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Turke Bros. Farms

02-09-2007 16:21:53




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 Re: hosed by an implement on my deal in reply to keith a, 02-09-2007 16:06:32  
Keith, did you sign a purchase agreement with them on this unit? If you did they MUST follow through with you in the alotted time frame listed on the agreement. If you didnt have one...there isnt much you can do. Salesmen will tell you anything to get you to bring in the cash. Bottom line its first come first served. But also lets look at it in a different way. If your salesman works in a big dealership, there my be many salesmen on the floor. As your guy was talking to you, another salesman may have been closing a deal on the same tractor! It happens...Thats why they have a purchase agreement. So soon as its signed they take it off the lot. Dont feel bad about it....its a sign. Your destiny my be a whole lot nicer tractor later on. Just start shopping. DTURKE

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keith a

02-09-2007 16:27:11




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 Re: hosed by an implement on my deal in reply to Turke Bros. Farms, 02-09-2007 16:21:53  
this dealership is 500 miles from home here, i couldnt get anything signed- that was the whole point of todays call(and to get an amount for a check too). this is a single store, one salesman dealership- i guess i am telling myself what you said, just keep shopping around. i am trying to sell my car to have bought this tractor, and i have been farting around with one guy for a week- did i yank his cord to say your chance is up? NO, i didnt....oh well....just me venting.

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Larry806

02-09-2007 20:25:36




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 Re: hosed by an implement on my deal in reply to keith a, 02-09-2007 16:27:11  
Your not serious are you? you say " i am trying to sell my car to have bought this tractor, and i have been farting around with one guy for a week " . But you want the dealer to waste more time waiting on you. If you don't have the CASH don't deal!
I've had guys call me EVERYday for over 2 weeks saying they will buy a tractor. When I finely say make a down payment worth waiting for or I'm looking for another buyer I never hear from them again

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JMS/MN

02-09-2007 16:19:19




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 Re: hosed by an implement on my deal in reply to keith a, 02-09-2007 16:06:32  
If you paid nothing down on a 'done deal', or if the salesman did not agree to hold it for you for any given length of time..... ..it is lociento mucho time. There is no shortage of buyers OR sellers who 'agreed' on a deal and did not show. With no prior agreement- it's whoever shows with the green.



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perry in mi

02-09-2007 16:17:05




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 Re: hosed by an implement on my deal in reply to keith a, 02-09-2007 16:06:32  
yep, money talks. there is to many people that dilly daddle around and waste sellers time.



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Allan In NE

02-09-2007 16:13:14




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 Re: hosed by an implement on my deal in reply to keith a, 02-09-2007 16:06:32  
That isn't how it works.

Ya have to write the check, they draw up the papers, then it's yours. Until then, it's still for sale to anyone and everyone.

Allan



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kyhayman

02-09-2007 17:59:29




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 Re: hosed by an implement on my deal in reply to Allan In NE, 02-09-2007 16:13:14  
I'm with you Alan, if I had a sale for every person that 'might go ahead and buy' and then never showed up I'd be retired right now.

Cash on the barrel head makes it sold.

I've ended up with barns full of hay before on, yeah I'll be back and bring you a check.

What I do offer, is if someone is coming to look, I wont sell for a specified time while they are driving to me.



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keith a

02-09-2007 16:21:36




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 Re: hosed by an implement on my deal in reply to Allan In NE, 02-09-2007 16:13:14  
so someones word means nothing to you, allan?



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Allan In NE

02-09-2007 16:27:05




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 Re: hosed by an implement on my deal in reply to keith a, 02-09-2007 16:21:36  
Did the guy tell you that he'd hold it for you for two days? That's pretty darned unusual.

Allan



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keith a

02-09-2007 16:30:18




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 Re: hosed by an implement on my deal in reply to Allan In NE, 02-09-2007 16:27:05  
we've been emailing pictures and working on the deal for a few days- wouldnt that make you hold a deal for a guy?? i think that showed my interest in the deal- see my post above to see some more details if you wish. i would have thought i would have gotten a call saying i got a guy here, make up your mind now or its off.



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KEB

02-09-2007 16:47:14




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 Re: hosed by an implement on my deal in reply to keith a, 02-09-2007 16:30:18  
Sorry, but I agree with everyone else. Unless you had a written contract (that's what fax machines are for) or had put money down on it, they have no obligation to hold it for you. If the guy was really, really, really nice he might have called you, but he certainly had no obligation to.

Even if you had told him specifically you wanted it and were just waiting for the paperwork, his only (barely) obligation would be to call you.

Have you turned down another offer on you car while waiting for the first guy to make up his mind? I'm sure the dealer gets tons of people "looking" and never buying.

Keith

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JMS/MN

02-09-2007 16:21:19




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 Re: hosed by an implement on my deal in reply to Allan In NE, 02-09-2007 16:13:14  
WOW!!!!! !!!!3 people that agree at the same time- 3 minutes?



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jc

02-09-2007 18:39:45




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 Re: hosed by an implement on my deal in reply to JMS/MN, 02-09-2007 16:21:19  
Fact is stranger than fiction.



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